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Intake manifold drains?

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:10 am
by Ted Waltman
Scott,

You're right about me having the "Kimball" setup. I agree with your
overall assessment of the drain pattern with the Kimball setup.

I too thought about putting a bracket on the air box, but was convinced
this isn't a good idea due to vibration. I don't really want to put
another hole in my cowl, as you're doing. I think you could simply put
a firewall "z-like" bracket with a flexible tube, as I suggest in my
original thoughts (below) and avoid that extra hole in the cowl.

It sure is interesting to see the various options folks have. I'm still
puzzling through what I'm going to do (see below original msg).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Aldrich [mailto:sa@mwutah.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:21 AM
To: tedwaltman@i1ci.com
Subject: RE: Intake manifold drains?


Ted, I am just guessing you have the drain kit from the Kimball's. The
one thing I noticed about their setup I didn't like was they end up with
a low spot in the line that traps oil. Seems to me like you would only
really drain # 6 out the quick drain and the oil from 4 and 6 would go
right back into #5.

Mine are going to connect all together but instead of the drain up on #6
there will be an extra T fitting in the low spot between #5 and #6 right
above my carb air box. Then have a short tube down to a quick drain
that is attached to the air box somehow for support so I can push up on
it to open. Then I will have a small hole in the bottom of the cowl that
I can get at the drain. The hole will be about 2 or 3 inches back from
the air intake hole on the bottom cowl half.

Pictures attached.

I have seen a couple do just as you say and run a line back to a fitting
by the firewall, however both of these (Ron's is one) don't have the T
in the low spot so not really doing much good in my opinion. Seems a T
below #5 would fix.

My other thought was run all three with their own lines, all down hill,
to a fitting at the firewall.

FWIW,
Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Waltman [mailto:tedwaltman@i1ci.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:13 AM
To: RMowat@forge-industrial.com
Cc: Scott Aldrich; 'Al Paxhia'; 'Doug and Sharon'
Subject: Intake manifold drains?

Ryan,

I recall from looking at your Moose at OSH that you had two
quick-drains, one coming out of each exhaust, for your intake
manifolds.

I assume that the one on the pilot side drains cyl 4 & 5 whereas the
one on the passenger side of course just drains #6.

Questions:

- Did you just flex hose/tube off of the 4 & 5?

- Do you have the "hose" off of 4 & 5 coming into some sort of "Y"
fitting, and thence down to the quick drain?

- How do you keep the "hoses" and in turn the final quick drain from
vibrating against the exhaust?

I have been thinking of connecting the #4, #5 and #6 into a single
fitting and then, with an elbow joint, having a hose go back to a
bracket attached to the firewall so I could drain them all with a
single quick drain attached to a bracket there (obviously set up so
everything is lower than the exhaust points. This seems like too much
tubing/work/brain damage compared to, perhaps, the simpler set up that
you might have.

Currently I have one quick drain off of the #6, which also drains #4 &
#5; The quick drain I currently have can't be reached without opening
up the cowl (19 fasteners later).

Thanks for your input,

Ted


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Intake manifold drains?

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:10 am
by Scott Aldrich
I am not real keen on another hole in the cowl either. I may just do what
you suggest and go back to the firewall. I would have to figure out how to
get at it around my cowl flap. I also have an air flow exit smoother
thing-a-ma-bob to get around. I may have room right below an engine mount
bolt to attach though. I don't have the hose yet, just the fittings on the
manifolds so all options are still open.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ted
Waltman
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:31 AM
To: Murphy List
Subject: RE: Intake manifold drains?

Scott,

You're right about me having the "Kimball" setup. I agree with your
overall assessment of the drain pattern with the Kimball setup.

I too thought about putting a bracket on the air box, but was convinced
this isn't a good idea due to vibration. I don't really want to put
another hole in my cowl, as you're doing. I think you could simply put
a firewall "z-like" bracket with a flexible tube, as I suggest in my
original thoughts (below) and avoid that extra hole in the cowl.

It sure is interesting to see the various options folks have. I'm still
puzzling through what I'm going to do (see below original msg).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Aldrich [mailto:sa@mwutah.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:21 AM
To: tedwaltman@i1ci.com
Subject: RE: Intake manifold drains?


Ted, I am just guessing you have the drain kit from the Kimball's. The
one thing I noticed about their setup I didn't like was they end up with
a low spot in the line that traps oil. Seems to me like you would only
really drain # 6 out the quick drain and the oil from 4 and 6 would go
right back into #5.

Mine are going to connect all together but instead of the drain up on #6
there will be an extra T fitting in the low spot between #5 and #6 right
above my carb air box. Then have a short tube down to a quick drain
that is attached to the air box somehow for support so I can push up on
it to open. Then I will have a small hole in the bottom of the cowl that
I can get at the drain. The hole will be about 2 or 3 inches back from
the air intake hole on the bottom cowl half.

Pictures attached.

I have seen a couple do just as you say and run a line back to a fitting
by the firewall, however both of these (Ron's is one) don't have the T
in the low spot so not really doing much good in my opinion. Seems a T
below #5 would fix.

My other thought was run all three with their own lines, all down hill,
to a fitting at the firewall.

FWIW,
Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Waltman [mailto:tedwaltman@i1ci.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:13 AM
To: RMowat@forge-industrial.com
Cc: Scott Aldrich; 'Al Paxhia'; 'Doug and Sharon'
Subject: Intake manifold drains?

Ryan,

I recall from looking at your Moose at OSH that you had two
quick-drains, one coming out of each exhaust, for your intake
manifolds.

I assume that the one on the pilot side drains cyl 4 & 5 whereas the
one on the passenger side of course just drains #6.

Questions:

- Did you just flex hose/tube off of the 4 & 5?

- Do you have the "hose" off of 4 & 5 coming into some sort of "Y"
fitting, and thence down to the quick drain?

- How do you keep the "hoses" and in turn the final quick drain from
vibrating against the exhaust?

I have been thinking of connecting the #4, #5 and #6 into a single
fitting and then, with an elbow joint, having a hose go back to a
bracket attached to the firewall so I could drain them all with a
single quick drain attached to a bracket there (obviously set up so
everything is lower than the exhaust points. This seems like too much
tubing/work/brain damage compared to, perhaps, the simpler set up that
you might have.

Currently I have one quick drain off of the #6, which also drains #4 &
#5; The quick drain I currently have can't be reached without opening
up the cowl (19 fasteners later).

Thanks for your input,

Ted


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Intake manifold drains?

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:10 am
by Ted Waltman
In my original thought, the bracket for the drain would attach to the
firewall with the quick drain then being perhaps an inch forward of the
firewall and perhaps 1.5 inches below the hinge for the cowl flap.
Hence, there should be no need to "get it around" the cowl flap. One
could easily reach through the open cowl flap to open the drain.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Aldrich
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:52 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Intake manifold drains?


I am not real keen on another hole in the cowl either. I may just do
what you suggest and go back to the firewall. I would have to figure
out how to get at it around my cowl flap. I also have an air flow exit
smoother thing-a-ma-bob to get around. I may have room right below an
engine mount bolt to attach though. I don't have the hose yet, just the
fittings on the manifolds so all options are still open.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Ted Waltman
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:31 AM
To: Murphy List
Subject: RE: Intake manifold drains?

Scott,

You're right about me having the "Kimball" setup. I agree with your
overall assessment of the drain pattern with the Kimball setup.

I too thought about putting a bracket on the air box, but was
convinced this isn't a good idea due to vibration. I don't really
want to put another hole in my cowl, as you're doing. I think you
could simply put a firewall "z-like" bracket with a flexible tube, as
I suggest in my original thoughts (below) and avoid that extra hole in
the cowl.

It sure is interesting to see the various options folks have. I'm
still puzzling through what I'm going to do (see below original msg).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Aldrich [mailto:sa@mwutah.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:21 AM
To: tedwaltman@i1ci.com
Subject: RE: Intake manifold drains?


Ted, I am just guessing you have the drain kit from the Kimball's. The
one thing I noticed about their setup I didn't like was they end up
with a low spot in the line that traps oil. Seems to me like you
would only really drain # 6 out the quick drain and the oil from 4 and
6 would go right back into #5.

Mine are going to connect all together but instead of the drain up on
#6 there will be an extra T fitting in the low spot between #5 and #6
right above my carb air box. Then have a short tube down to a quick
drain that is attached to the air box somehow for support so I can
push up on it to open. Then I will have a small hole in the bottom of
the cowl that I can get at the drain. The hole will be about 2 or 3
inches back from the air intake hole on the bottom cowl half.

Pictures attached.

I have seen a couple do just as you say and run a line back to a
fitting by the firewall, however both of these (Ron's is one) don't
have the T in the low spot so not really doing much good in my
opinion. Seems a T below #5 would fix.

My other thought was run all three with their own lines, all down
hill, to a fitting at the firewall.

FWIW,
Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Waltman [mailto:tedwaltman@i1ci.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:13 AM
To: RMowat@forge-industrial.com
Cc: Scott Aldrich; 'Al Paxhia'; 'Doug and Sharon'
Subject: Intake manifold drains?

Ryan,

I recall from looking at your Moose at OSH that you had two
quick-drains, one coming out of each exhaust, for your intake
manifolds.

I assume that the one on the pilot side drains cyl 4 & 5 whereas the
one on the passenger side of course just drains #6.

Questions:

- Did you just flex hose/tube off of the 4 & 5?

- Do you have the "hose" off of 4 & 5 coming into some sort of "Y"
fitting, and thence down to the quick drain?

- How do you keep the "hoses" and in turn the final quick drain from
vibrating against the exhaust?

I have been thinking of connecting the #4, #5 and #6 into a single
fitting and then, with an elbow joint, having a hose go back to a
bracket attached to the firewall so I could drain them all with a
single quick drain attached to a bracket there (obviously set up so
everything is lower than the exhaust points. This seems like too
much
tubing/work/brain damage compared to, perhaps, the simpler set up
that
you might have.

Currently I have one quick drain off of the #6, which also drains #4
&
#5; The quick drain I currently have can't be reached without
opening up the cowl (19 fasteners later).

Thanks for your input,

Ted


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Intake manifold drains?

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:10 am
by Bob Patterson
Hi Ted !

Sounds like you

Intake manifold drains?

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:10 am
by Drew Dalgleish
Hi Guys My buddies model 12 had an electric scavanging pump that he ran on
shut down if I remember correctly. You might talk to Mike Kimball or Georgr
Coy about that solution. It seemed to work quite well.


At 02:00 PM 2/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:
[quote]
Hi Ted !

Sounds like you

Intake manifold drains?

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:10 am
by Ted Waltman
Scavange pump is to get the oil out of the sump. Yep, the pump works
quite well in that respect (I have one and use it religiously).

No relation to potentially having oil / fuel collecting in the intake
side (at least I don't think so).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Drew Dalgleish
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:59 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Intake manifold drains?


Hi Guys My buddies model 12 had an electric scavanging pump that he ran
on shut down if I remember correctly. You might talk to Mike Kimball or
Georgr Coy about that solution. It seemed to work quite well.


At 02:00 PM 2/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:
[quote]
Hi Ted !

Sounds like you