SR cable & tail wheel attachment

[jtpackard]

Hi to all:
I recently attached my SR rudder cables (cut to length) to the rudder
horn using a thimble but forgot to include a cable bushing (AN111-4).
Questions:
1. Any opinions on how important/critical it is to use the bushing,vs.
just the 1/4" bolt thru a thimble?
2. To add the bushing, I would have to remove the nico sleeve. Anybody
know of a way to do this without damaging the cable?, or will I have to
install a new cable?
3. The MAM manual for my SR says to mount the tail wheel spring in the
second set of holes from the top on the mounting brackets. I noticed in
a photo of Al's where he mounted it in the 2nd hole from the bottom.
The difference looks like it changes the ground clearance by an inch or
so.
What are the rest of you doing or have done?
Thanks for any comments.

Tom Packard
SR 043



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[Skytrucks]

Tom, I used the bushing without the thimble as stated in the old manual and
the radius is so tight that some of the strands separated. I cut my nico
sleeves off with a wiz wheel (very carefully!) but ended up ruining one of them.
Good luck!
Larry
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[Scott Aldrich]

Tom, we used the same thimble with a brass bushing pushed through that the
1/4 bolt fits in. I know of a couple of Moose this way.

I have taken them off carefully before, and screwed some up doing it.

You can always splice the cable.

Most tail brackets I have seen have been in the lowest or close to it hole
to get the tail wheel angle correct. I know of one that used the upper
holes and then bent the stinger to get the right angle on the tail wheel.

Scott
Moose N174SL

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
jtpackard@usfamily.net
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:42 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: SR cable & tail wheel attachment

Hi to all:
I recently attached my SR rudder cables (cut to length) to the rudder
horn using a thimble but forgot to include a cable bushing (AN111-4).
Questions:
1. Any opinions on how important/critical it is to use the bushing,vs.
just the 1/4" bolt thru a thimble?
2. To add the bushing, I would have to remove the nico sleeve. Anybody
know of a way to do this without damaging the cable?, or will I have to
install a new cable?
3. The MAM manual for my SR says to mount the tail wheel spring in the
second set of holes from the top on the mounting brackets. I noticed in
a photo of Al's where he mounted it in the 2nd hole from the bottom.
The difference looks like it changes the ground clearance by an inch or
so.
What are the rest of you doing or have done?
Thanks for any comments.

Tom Packard
SR 043



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[jtpackard]

Scott and Ralph:
Thanks for your suggestions. I checked in ENCO's catalog and ordered some
Oil impregnated Bronze sleeve bushings that will just slip into the
assembled cable/thimble, so I won't have to disassemble anything.
Regardiing the tail wheel spring, I see what you mean. Even when using the
lowest hole in the attach bracket, the wheel pivot axle still is not
perpendicular to horiz.; and I also don't want to try bending the spring
tubing.
I think I'll try it out in the lowest or 2nd hole up and see how it handles.
Regards,
Tom Packard
SR043
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Aldrich" <sa@mwutah.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: SR cable & tail wheel attachment

Tom, we used the same thimble with a brass bushing pushed through that the
1/4 bolt fits in. I know of a couple of Moose this way.

I have taken them off carefully before, and screwed some up doing it.

You can always splice the cable.

Most tail brackets I have seen have been in the lowest or close to it hole
to get the tail wheel angle correct. I know of one that used the upper
holes and then bent the stinger to get the right angle on the tail wheel.

Scott
Moose N174SL

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
jtpackard@usfamily.net
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:42 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: SR cable & tail wheel attachment

Hi to all:
I recently attached my SR rudder cables (cut to length) to the rudder
horn using a thimble but forgot to include a cable bushing (AN111-4).
Questions:
1. Any opinions on how important/critical it is to use the bushing,vs.
just the 1/4" bolt thru a thimble?
2. To add the bushing, I would have to remove the nico sleeve. Anybody
know of a way to do this without damaging the cable?, or will I have to
install a new cable?
3. The MAM manual for my SR says to mount the tail wheel spring in the
second set of holes from the top on the mounting brackets. I noticed in
a photo of Al's where he mounted it in the 2nd hole from the bottom.
The difference looks like it changes the ground clearance by an inch or
so.
What are the rest of you doing or have done?
Thanks for any comments.

Tom Packard
SR 043



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[Skytrucks]

Tom; I made another set of angle iron brackets with more holes to try to make
the angle come out right......Larry Luckinbill
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[Al Paxhia]

Tom,
Full fuel, 3 or 4 people baggage the tail spring will have well over 300 lbs
on when your on the ground. I find the second hole up works fine no shimmy
or wobble.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: <jtpackard@usfamily.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: SR cable & tail wheel attachment

Scott and Ralph:
Thanks for your suggestions. I checked in ENCO's catalog and ordered some
Oil impregnated Bronze sleeve bushings that will just slip into the
assembled cable/thimble, so I won't have to disassemble anything.
Regardiing the tail wheel spring, I see what you mean. Even when using the
lowest hole in the attach bracket, the wheel pivot axle still is not
perpendicular to horiz.; and I also don't want to try bending the spring
tubing.
I think I'll try it out in the lowest or 2nd hole up and see how it
handles.
Regards,
Tom Packard
SR043
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Aldrich" <sa@mwutah.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: SR cable & tail wheel attachment

Tom, we used the same thimble with a brass bushing pushed through that
the
1/4 bolt fits in. I know of a couple of Moose this way.

I have taken them off carefully before, and screwed some up doing it.

You can always splice the cable.

Most tail brackets I have seen have been in the lowest or close to it
hole
to get the tail wheel angle correct. I know of one that used the upper
holes and then bent the stinger to get the right angle on the tail wheel.

Scott
Moose N174SL

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
jtpackard@usfamily.net
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:42 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: SR cable & tail wheel attachment

Hi to all:
I recently attached my SR rudder cables (cut to length) to the rudder
horn using a thimble but forgot to include a cable bushing (AN111-4).
Questions:
1. Any opinions on how important/critical it is to use the bushing,vs.
just the 1/4" bolt thru a thimble?
2. To add the bushing, I would have to remove the nico sleeve. Anybody
know of a way to do this without damaging the cable?, or will I have to
install a new cable?
3. The MAM manual for my SR says to mount the tail wheel spring in the
second set of holes from the top on the mounting brackets. I noticed in
a photo of Al's where he mounted it in the 2nd hole from the bottom.
The difference looks like it changes the ground clearance by an inch or
so.
What are the rest of you doing or have done?
Thanks for any comments.

Tom Packard
SR 043



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[Ted Waltman]

I have a bend in my tailspring to get the zero-degree angle. So far,
knock on wood, no problems with the bend.

I had a Maule before the Moose. My (Scott) tailwheel on the Maule used
to shimmy all the time--slow, fast--didn't matter what type of landing.

No shimmy at all in the Moose tailwheel.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Al
Paxhia
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:50 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: SR cable & tail wheel attachment


Tom,
Full fuel, 3 or 4 people baggage the tail spring will have well over 300
lbs
on when your on the ground. I find the second hole up works fine no
shimmy
or wobble.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: <jtpackard@usfamily.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: SR cable & tail wheel attachment

Scott and Ralph:
Thanks for your suggestions. I checked in ENCO's catalog and ordered
some Oil impregnated Bronze sleeve bushings that will just slip into
the assembled cable/thimble, so I won't have to disassemble anything.
Regardiing the tail wheel spring, I see what you mean. Even when using

the lowest hole in the attach bracket, the wheel pivot axle still is
not perpendicular to horiz.; and I also don't want to try bending the
spring tubing. I think I'll try it out in the lowest or 2nd hole up
and see how it handles.
Regards,
Tom Packard
SR043
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Aldrich" <sa@mwutah.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: SR cable & tail wheel attachment

Tom, we used the same thimble with a brass bushing pushed through
that
the
1/4 bolt fits in. I know of a couple of Moose this way.

I have taken them off carefully before, and screwed some up doing it.

You can always splice the cable.

Most tail brackets I have seen have been in the lowest or close to it
hole
to get the tail wheel angle correct. I know of one that used the

upper

holes and then bent the stinger to get the right angle on the tail

wheel.

Scott
Moose N174SL

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

jtpackard@usfamily.net
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:42 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: SR cable & tail wheel attachment

Hi to all:
I recently attached my SR rudder cables (cut to length) to the rudder

horn using a thimble but forgot to include a cable bushing (AN111-4).
Questions:
1. Any opinions on how important/critical it is to use the
bushing,vs. just the 1/4" bolt thru a thimble? 2. To add the
bushing, I would have to remove the nico sleeve. Anybody know of a
way to do this without damaging the cable?, or will I have to install

a new cable? 3. The MAM manual for my SR says to mount the tail
wheel spring in the second set of holes from the top on the mounting
brackets. I noticed in a photo of Al's where he mounted it in the 2nd

hole from the bottom. The difference looks like it changes the ground

clearance by an inch or so.
What are the rest of you doing or have done?
Thanks for any comments.

Tom Packard
SR 043



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