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Dave

Can you tell me more about this "curved" instrument panel in the Elite? We
have
an early Elite, #583 which has given us a few headaches with part
discrepancies
(parts not matching the manual or incompletely fabricated) and I am
wondering if
we have the right (non curved) panel. After seeing Ken Armstrongs article
on the
Elite in Kit Planes I asked Murphy and they said we had the right part.
Your
comment makes me suspect we do not.

While on this subject, I am struck with the lack of panel space in the Rebel
&
Elite, what is the opinion of the completed Rebel owners? Is there enough
room
for a good VFR setup? How about IFR?

Thanks

Dave R.
Elite #583

Dave Klimas wrote:

Alister,

We sure enjoy hearing from you and your "field testing" experiences.
I also will be installing the spring gear with an O320 engine and would
very much like to incorporate some of the enhancements that seem

reasonable

while I am in the construction stage.

Do you have the standard or Elite style curved instrument panel? How thick
was the upper panel that cracked?

If you would be so kind as to summarize the "mods" you have determined to
be necessary I would be most appreciative.

Thanks again for your posts.

Dave Klimas
Ramona, CA
Rebel #472

Brian,

The flying is going just great, I have clocked up over 160hrs
now. What a neat little aircraft!

Even with a cruise prop I can pull very big loads out of very small

areas, a

very useful aircraft.

The strengthening mods I did around the gear area are working really

good,

no problems in that area now.

I found another problem though.

Cracks started to appear on the instrument panel, on checking, they were
coming from a mis-directed load path. When taxiing ( when heavy) on rough
ground the panel in front and on top of the instrument panel used to pant
(flex) on either side just in front of where the instrument panel bends.

It

finally cracked in this area. ( this was hidden by upholstery)

I had to remove the windscreen and reinforce the area including the top
engine mounts.

I have no doubt that the problems I have experienced come from hanging

off

heavier and heavier motors without increasing the skin thickness and

design

up front to compensate. ( Didn't the Rebel start with a 582?)

I also operate off sometimes very rough strips. ( a lot off these were

put

in in the old deer meat recovery days, they are cut out of riverbeds and

are

ROUGH!) Murphy says ' sorry, but it appears you are doing the forward

field

testing for these types of operations', They are probably right, they

say

that over there that the majority of Rebels that operate in the outback
would be on floats. Floats can be very hard on a fuse as well but the

load

paths are very different.

However, I really do feel that I am getting to the point where I am on

top

of this ( I hope those aren't famous last words!).

If you are running an 0320 and spring gear and intend to operate out of
unimproved strips it would pay to have a think about it.

Cheers

Alister

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Cross <rebelair@idirect.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: c of g

Hi Alister

Sorry if I confused/misled you about my empty C of G. With 2 pilots &

3/4

fuel my the C of G is
about 16". My empty C of G is 11.6".

How is the flying going? Spring gear OK?

Best Regards

Brian #328R

:08 PM 19/08/99 +1200, you wrote:

have

movement

wheels

factory

heard

of

the

.....
weight,

those

up

keeping

it

have

softer

and

the

will
flights,

ballast,

of

!!)

lots.

-

would

be

of

g

an

should

I

all,

difference!

G

is

course,

forward

have

16.8"

all.

adjust

worth

the

on

experience
meeting

how

Ej22

the

build

a

firewall

and

of g

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From: Dave Klimas <drk@cts.com>
Subject: Re: Strengthening for 0320, Elite Instrument Panel

Dave,

The standard Rebel instrument panel is rectangular and about eight (8)
inches tall. The curved Elite panel is an option for the Rebel and is the
same height at the outer ends where it is secured to the vertical uprights
but the top edge gently curves up to about eleven (11) inches in the
center. It still has the straight jogs forward at about seven (7) inches
from each mounting end.

Hope this answers your question.

While I haven't placed any instuments in my panel as yet, preliminary
measurements indicate that there is room for a nice simple IFR setup. The
basic six plus GPS-Comm, NAV-Comm, Transponder, Engine Monitor and various
switches, breakers, and indicators.

Dave Klimas
Ramona, CA
Rebel #472

Dave

Can you tell me more about this "curved" instrument panel in the Elite?
We have
an early Elite, #583 which has given us a few headaches with part
discrepancies
(parts not matching the manual or incompletely fabricated) and I am
wondering if
we have the right (non curved) panel. After seeing Ken Armstrongs article
on the
Elite in Kit Planes I asked Murphy and they said we had the right part.

Your

comment makes me suspect we do not.

While on this subject, I am struck with the lack of panel space in the

Rebel &

Elite, what is the opinion of the completed Rebel owners? Is there enough
room
for a good VFR setup? How about IFR?

Thanks

Dave R.
Elite #583

Dave Klimas wrote:

Alister,

We sure enjoy hearing from you and your "field testing" experiences.
I also will be installing the spring gear with an O320 engine and would
very much like to incorporate some of the enhancements that seem

reasonable

while I am in the construction stage.

Do you have the standard or Elite style curved instrument panel? How

thick

was the upper panel that cracked?

If you would be so kind as to summarize the "mods" you have determined to
be necessary I would be most appreciative.

Thanks again for your posts.

Dave Klimas
Ramona, CA
Rebel #472

Brian,

The flying is going just great, I have clocked up over 160hrs
now. What a neat little aircraft!

Even with a cruise prop I can pull very big loads out of very small
areas, a
very useful aircraft.

The strengthening mods I did around the gear area are working really

good,

no problems in that area now.

I found another problem though.

Cracks started to appear on the instrument panel, on checking, they were
coming from a mis-directed load path. When taxiing ( when heavy) on

rough

ground the panel in front and on top of the instrument panel used to

pant

(flex) on either side just in front of where the instrument panel bends.

It

finally cracked in this area. ( this was hidden by upholstery)

I had to remove the windscreen and reinforce the area including the top
engine mounts.

I have no doubt that the problems I have experienced come from hanging

off

heavier and heavier motors without increasing the skin thickness and

design

up front to compensate. ( Didn't the Rebel start with a 582?)

I also operate off sometimes very rough strips. ( a lot off these were

put

in in the old deer meat recovery days, they are cut out of riverbeds
and are
ROUGH!) Murphy says ' sorry, but it appears you are doing the forward

field

testing for these types of operations', They are probably right, they

say

that over there that the majority of Rebels that operate in the outback
would be on floats. Floats can be very hard on a fuse as well but the

load

paths are very different.

However, I really do feel that I am getting to the point where I am on

top

of this ( I hope those aren't famous last words!).

If you are running an 0320 and spring gear and intend to operate out of
unimproved strips it would pay to have a think about it.

Cheers

Alister

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Cross <rebelair@idirect.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: c of g

3/4

20

have
movement

wheels

factory

heard

of

the

..... weight,

the

those

pounds up

keeping

it

firewall

have
softer
more), and
move the
will flights,

ballast,

degrees of

!!)

lots.

---

would

be

of

g

tail

has an
should
I
all,

difference!

G

is

course,

forward

1

have

guy).

16.8"

all.

adjust

worth

the
feel on
experience meeting
recall how

[/quote]Ej22

[/quote]the

build
a

[/quote]firewall

[/quote]and

of g

[/quote]the

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between builders and owners of Murphy Rebel aircraft.
Archives located at:
http://www.dcsol.com/murphy-rebel/lists/default.htm
*----------------------------------------------------*
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The Murphy Rebel Builders List is for the discussion
between builders and owners of Murphy Rebel aircraft.
Archives located at:
http://www.dcsol.com/murphy-rebel/lists/default.htm
*----------------------------------------------------*

--
David A. Ricker P. Eng.
Fall River, Nova Scotia
Canada
ricker@dbis.ns.ca

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Dave

Looks like our Elite came with the "standard" Rebel panel, suppose we'll
have to
talk to Murphy about it if we want the bigger one. The only difference
though
appears to be the curved centre section (for more panel area).

Dave R.

Dave Klimas wrote:

Dave,

The standard Rebel instrument panel is rectangular and about eight (8)
inches tall. The curved Elite panel is an option for the Rebel and is the
same height at the outer ends where it is secured to the vertical uprights
but the top edge gently curves up to about eleven (11) inches in the
center. It still has the straight jogs forward at about seven (7) inches
from each mounting end.

Hope this answers your question.

While I haven't placed any instuments in my panel as yet, preliminary
measurements indicate that there is room for a nice simple IFR setup. The
basic six plus GPS-Comm, NAV-Comm, Transponder, Engine Monitor and various
switches, breakers, and indicators.

Dave Klimas
Ramona, CA
Rebel #472

Dave

Can you tell me more about this "curved" instrument panel in the Elite?
We have
an early Elite, #583 which has given us a few headaches with part
discrepancies
(parts not matching the manual or incompletely fabricated) and I am
wondering if
we have the right (non curved) panel. After seeing Ken Armstrongs

article

on the
Elite in Kit Planes I asked Murphy and they said we had the right part.

Your

comment makes me suspect we do not.

While on this subject, I am struck with the lack of panel space in the

Rebel &

Elite, what is the opinion of the completed Rebel owners? Is there

enough

room
for a good VFR setup? How about IFR?

Thanks

Dave R.
Elite #583

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