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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:35 am**

Been asking this question everywhere... so that I'm ready for spring for
myself (if I find the time to put floats under my plane since I sold FOKM to
Garry) and for everyone I suspect might just drop in at the lake! I thought
there's probably lot's of experience kicking around here and might even
bring some of the 170+ subscribers out of the wood work that we never hear
from !!
Just bought a place up on Lake Temagami and looking for
tips/tricks/favourites for docking of a float plane. What's your
favourite..floating dock, ramp, combination of the two or what else have you
found works nice in a lake with minor water level flucuations (3 feet it
seems worse case). Favourite dock bumper..tires/vertical poly pipe tubes
bolted to the dock edge extending a few feet below the surface to catch the
chine/??

Give me as many ideas as you can.... so I can put the best dockage together
for my visitors this coming summer!

Cheers,

Wayne

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:35 am**

This is the first time I've responded to the email list as I've just
signed up, however the float docking question is of interest to me. I
have only about 150 hours on a 400 hp Moose with amphibs so I must say
the safest place is in the hanger. But on the lake I have found that a
good Buoy and a couple of 45 gallon plastic drums work fairly well. Tie
two 25' lines from the float tips to the buoy and a rope from each wing
to a mostly submerged plastic drum. The plane is free to rotate 360
degrees around the buoy as the wind changes but side gusts are muted by
the plastic drums. This is how I do it now, but I always worry about
it. Out of the water would be a better sleep.

Ryan Mowat

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:35 am**

Hi Wayne,
Docks are great for tying up to for short times, unless its very protected
water. The docks that work best for me have tires attached that go down
below the water to fully protect the sides of the float. With floating docks
there is less worry about water level changes during the season, another
thing to damage the floats. When overnighting, choppy water and when the
boat wakes come in, a ramp or a ramp with a lift is my preferred solution. I
don't like tying to a mooring buoy, I did not sleep well knowing the
airplane is on its own every time I have done it.
Al
Moose, N526AP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:32 PM
Subject: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

Been asking this question everywhere... so that I'm ready for spring for
myself (if I find the time to put floats under my plane since I sold FOKM
to
Garry) and for everyone I suspect might just drop in at the lake! I
thought
there's probably lot's of experience kicking around here and might even
bring some of the 170+ subscribers out of the wood work that we never hear
from !!
Just bought a place up on Lake Temagami and looking for
tips/tricks/favourites for docking of a float plane. What's your
favourite..floating dock, ramp, combination of the two or what else have
you
found works nice in a lake with minor water level flucuations (3 feet it
seems worse case). Favourite dock bumper..tires/vertical poly pipe tubes
bolted to the dock edge extending a few feet below the surface to catch
the
chine/??

Give me as many ideas as you can.... so I can put the best dockage
together
for my visitors this coming summer!

Cheers,

Wayne

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:35 am**

Hi Ryan,
Welcome to the list.
Al
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From: "Ryan Mowat" <RMowat@forge-industrial.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

This is the first time I've responded to the email list as I've just
signed up, however the float docking question is of interest to me. I
have only about 150 hours on a 400 hp Moose with amphibs so I must say
the safest place is in the hanger. But on the lake I have found that a
good Buoy and a couple of 45 gallon plastic drums work fairly well. Tie
two 25' lines from the float tips to the buoy and a rope from each wing
to a mostly submerged plastic drum. The plane is free to rotate 360
degrees around the buoy as the wind changes but side gusts are muted by
the plastic drums. This is how I do it now, but I always worry about
it. Out of the water would be a better sleep.

Ryan Mowat

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:35 am**

Thanks Al,

I can see you share my fear of leaving a float plane in the water!

Ryan Mowat, P.Eng.
30528 1A Greatnorthern Ave
Abbotsford, BC V2T 6H4
(604) 556-7222 (ext 307), (604) 556-7215 (Fax)

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Al
Paxhia
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 5:11 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

Hi Ryan,
Welcome to the list.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Mowat" <RMowat@forge-industrial.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

This is the first time I've responded to the email list as I've just
signed up, however the float docking question is of interest to me. I
have only about 150 hours on a 400 hp Moose with amphibs so I must say
the safest place is in the hanger. But on the lake I have found that

a

good Buoy and a couple of 45 gallon plastic drums work fairly well.

Tie

two 25' lines from the float tips to the buoy and a rope from each

wing

to a mostly submerged plastic drum. The plane is free to rotate 360
degrees around the buoy as the wind changes but side gusts are muted

by

the plastic drums. This is how I do it now, but I always worry about
it. Out of the water would be a better sleep.

Ryan Mowat

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:35 am**

My preference is a floating dock with lots of tires. If you are
subject to boat wakes or waves, then I like to be able to dock so
I can pull my plane back either behind the dock on the leeward
side or just on the side so the bows are pointing into the waves,
and my floats are not being slammed into the dock from the side.

My bay at Harrison is a favourite place for water skiers and
float tubers when the main lake gets rough, so I get a lot of big
wakes coming into my dock. So I have it set up so I can dock in
the front, but then pull it back to the side for mooring. When
the waves come, they are mostly perpendicular to my floats, and
they ride them just like a boat. The wave action actually pushes
the plane away from the dock as the floats are bouncing, so I
keep a little slack in the mooring lines, and the floats end up
not even touching the dock. I've done this for a few years now,
and so far no dock rash from that.

You'll also want the floating dock part to be long and skinny to
hold quite a few airplanes on both sides. That's what I don't
have on mine.

Walter

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:32 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your
floatplane??

Been asking this question everywhere... so that I'm
ready for spring for
myself (if I find the time to put floats under my
plane since I sold FOKM to
Garry) and for everyone I suspect might just drop in
at the lake! I thought
there's probably lot's of experience kicking around
here and might even
bring some of the 170+ subscribers out of the wood
work that we never hear
from !!
Just bought a place up on Lake Temagami and looking for
tips/tricks/favourites for docking of a float plane.
What's your
favourite..floating dock, ramp, combination of the two
or what else have you
found works nice in a lake with minor water level
flucuations (3 feet it
seems worse case). Favourite dock
bumper..tires/vertical poly pipe tubes
bolted to the dock edge extending a few feet below the
surface to catch the
chine/??

Give me as many ideas as you can.... so I can put the
best dockage together
for my visitors this coming summer!

Cheers,

Wayne

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:35 am**

Thanks Al and Ryan! Everyone else that has knowledge of any kind PLEASE pass
it on! I think there's more than just me that would make good useage of
suggestions.

The best I've picked up so far from the Supercub.org guys is with the
floater dock to lag bolt 3" poly pipe in 2 1/2 to 3' lengths VERTICALLY into
the water every 16" with a single lag bolt. This will keep the float chines
from going under the dock..since they are the widest point on the floats and
about a foot under water. Then come winter just loosen the bolts and swing
all the pipes horizontal so they don't freeze into the lake..or to allow
pulling the dock up on shore.

Most seem to prefer a ramp for wave washed, boat traffic areas...which I
will be dealing with and I also found that by Oct 1st my sheltered side of
the island is too shallow to have a dock over there. I'm leaning towards a
couple new floater docks, as we need to extend one dock anyhow and one or
two float ramps around the south corner from our docks. Maybe I can put a
floater out on the sheltered North side of the island for most of the summer
and just move it before the water level drops in late summer/fall.

I will also be taking Howard's airlift out there (if he ever nails down a
price for me) when I can figure out how to get it there (since alum angle
and stainless steel won't float until the tanks are pumped full of air!)
Hoping to time it right that I take the floating docks out and load the
airlift on top of them to pull behind the boat.

Keep the ideas coming guys!

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Paxhia" <paxhia2@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

Hi Wayne,
Docks are great for tying up to for short times, unless its very protected
water. The docks that work best for me have tires attached that go down
below the water to fully protect the sides of the float. With floating

docks

there is less worry about water level changes during the season, another
thing to damage the floats. When overnighting, choppy water and when the
boat wakes come in, a ramp or a ramp with a lift is my preferred solution.

I

don't like tying to a mooring buoy, I did not sleep well knowing the
airplane is on its own every time I have done it.
Al
Moose, N526AP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:32 PM
Subject: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

Been asking this question everywhere... so that I'm ready for spring for
myself (if I find the time to put floats under my plane since I sold

FOKM

to
Garry) and for everyone I suspect might just drop in at the lake! I
thought
there's probably lot's of experience kicking around here and might even
bring some of the 170+ subscribers out of the wood work that we never

hear

from !!
Just bought a place up on Lake Temagami and looking for
tips/tricks/favourites for docking of a float plane. What's your
favourite..floating dock, ramp, combination of the two or what else have
you
found works nice in a lake with minor water level flucuations (3 feet it
seems worse case). Favourite dock bumper..tires/vertical poly pipe tubes
bolted to the dock edge extending a few feet below the surface to catch
the
chine/??

Give me as many ideas as you can.... so I can put the best dockage
together
for my visitors this coming summer!

Cheers,

Wayne

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:35 am**

Walter wrote: "You'll also want the floating dock part to be long and skinny
to hold quite a few airplanes on both sides. That's what I don't have on
mine"

Sounds like a threat...who all's coming with you?? Lots of floor space to
crash out or enough lawn at water side for a few tents etc!

When water levels are normal I can get one plane up to the small pier dock
and with a new floater attached to the larger pier dock we should be able to
get a couple or three there. Then if I put a floater around the corner and a
ramp another three!...and we could probably moor a few in the sheltered area
behind the island as well !!

Just remember is BYOB&Steaks!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

My preference is a floating dock with lots of tires. If you are
subject to boat wakes or waves, then I like to be able to dock so
I can pull my plane back either behind the dock on the leeward
side or just on the side so the bows are pointing into the waves,
and my floats are not being slammed into the dock from the side.

My bay at Harrison is a favourite place for water skiers and
float tubers when the main lake gets rough, so I get a lot of big
wakes coming into my dock. So I have it set up so I can dock in
the front, but then pull it back to the side for mooring. When
the waves come, they are mostly perpendicular to my floats, and
they ride them just like a boat. The wave action actually pushes
the plane away from the dock as the floats are bouncing, so I
keep a little slack in the mooring lines, and the floats end up
not even touching the dock. I've done this for a few years now,
and so far no dock rash from that.

You'll also want the floating dock part to be long and skinny to
hold quite a few airplanes on both sides. That's what I don't
have on mine.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:32 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your
floatplane??

Been asking this question everywhere... so that I'm
ready for spring for
myself (if I find the time to put floats under my
plane since I sold FOKM to
Garry) and for everyone I suspect might just drop in
at the lake! I thought
there's probably lot's of experience kicking around
here and might even
bring some of the 170+ subscribers out of the wood
work that we never hear
from !!
Just bought a place up on Lake Temagami and looking for
tips/tricks/favourites for docking of a float plane.
What's your
favourite..floating dock, ramp, combination of the two
or what else have you
found works nice in a lake with minor water level
flucuations (3 feet it
seems worse case). Favourite dock
bumper..tires/vertical poly pipe tubes
bolted to the dock edge extending a few feet below the
surface to catch the
chine/??

Give me as many ideas as you can.... so I can put the
best dockage together
for my visitors this coming summer!

Cheers,

Wayne

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:35 am**

Hmm, I always thought that a buoy was the preferred solution for rough
weather unless you could get it out of the water and securely tied down.
One can always partially fill the floats with water if expecting a
squall line to come through. A small battery powered strobe hanging on
it helps the peace of mind overnight.
Ken

Al Paxhia wrote:

Hi Wayne,
Docks are great for tying up to for short times, unless its very protected
water. The docks that work best for me have tires attached that go down
below the water to fully protect the sides of the float. With floating docks
there is less worry about water level changes during the season, another
thing to damage the floats. When overnighting, choppy water and when the
boat wakes come in, a ramp or a ramp with a lift is my preferred solution. I
don't like tying to a mooring buoy, I did not sleep well knowing the
airplane is on its own every time I have done it.
Al
Mo

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:35 am**

My docking experience is pretty limited and my wife and I have had some
pretty tense conversations docking and leaving docks with the wind blowing
us onto it. My favorite is tailed up on the sand beach at our cottage with
a row of tall cedars right behind the plane to block the wind.

At 07:32 PM 11/1/2004 -0500, you wrote:

Been asking this question everywhere... so that I'm ready for spring for
myself (if I find the time to put floats under my plane since I sold FOKM to
Garry) and for everyone I suspect might just drop in at the lake! I thought
there's probably lot's of experience kicking around here and might even
bring some of the 170+ subscribers out of the wood work that we never hear
from !!
Just bought a place up on Lake Temagami and looking for
tips/tricks/favourites for docking of a float plane. What's your
favourite..floating dock, ramp, combination of the two or what else have you
found works nice in a lake with minor water level flucuations (3 feet it
seems worse case). Favourite dock bumper..tires/vertical poly pipe tubes
bolted to the dock edge extending a few feet below the surface to catch the
chine/??

Give me as many ideas as you can.... so I can put the best dockage together
for my visitors this coming summer!

Cheers,

Wayne

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:39 am**

You got it... but probably not until 2006. The son is getting
hitched next summer, and with some other plans already set for
then, just won't have time. But yeah, there's Bruce G. and a few
others here that could very well make the trek.

Whadaya mean steaks?? I thought we would be fine dining on
freshly caught pickerel and some chunks of jackfish done on an
open fire skillet. And then go hunting for some big game muskies
if you have those in there.

Walter

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:01 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp
your floatplane??

Walter wrote: "You'll also want the floating dock part
to be long and skinny
to hold quite a few airplanes on both sides. That's
what I don't have on
mine"

Sounds like a threat...who all's coming with you??
Lots of floor space to
crash out or enough lawn at water side for a few tents etc!

When water levels are normal I can get one plane up to
the small pier dock
and with a new floater attached to the larger pier
dock we should be able to
get a couple or three there. Then if I put a floater
around the corner and a
ramp another three!...and we could probably moor a few
in the sheltered area
behind the island as well !!

Just remember is BYOB&Steaks!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp
your floatplane??

My preference is a floating dock with lots of tires.
If you are
subject to boat wakes or waves, then I like to be
able to dock so
I can pull my plane back either behind the dock on
the leeward
side or just on the side so the bows are pointing
into the waves,
and my floats are not being slammed into the dock
from the side.
My bay at Harrison is a favourite place for water skiers and
float tubers when the main lake gets rough, so I get
a lot of big
wakes coming into my dock. So I have it set up so I
can dock in
the front, but then pull it back to the side for
mooring. When
the waves come, they are mostly perpendicular to my
floats, and
they ride them just like a boat. The wave action
actually pushes
the plane away from the dock as the floats are bouncing, so I
keep a little slack in the mooring lines, and the
floats end up
not even touching the dock. I've done this for a few
years now,
and so far no dock rash from that.

You'll also want the floating dock part to be long
and skinny to
hold quite a few airplanes on both sides. That's what I don't
have on mine.

Walter

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:32 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your
floatplane??

Been asking this question everywhere... so that I'm
ready for spring for
myself (if I find the time to put floats under my
plane since I sold FOKM to
Garry) and for everyone I suspect might just drop in
at the lake! I thought
there's probably lot's of experience kicking around
here and might even
bring some of the 170+ subscribers out of the wood
work that we never hear
from !!
Just bought a place up on Lake Temagami and looking for
tips/tricks/favourites for docking of a float plane.
What's your
favourite..floating dock, ramp, combination of the two
or what else have you
found works nice in a lake with minor water level
flucuations (3 feet it
seems worse case). Favourite dock
bumper..tires/vertical poly pipe tubes
bolted to the dock edge extending a few feet below the
surface to catch the
chine/??

Give me as many ideas as you can.... so I can put the
best dockage together
for my visitors this coming summer!

Cheers,

Wayne

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:39 am**

Always gotta have a few steaks as a back up plan...in case Wall'y and
Small'y don't want to come out and play!! You'll have to trade Musky hunting
for downrigging after big Lake Trout! Lake has Pike, Walleye, Smallmouth
Bass and Lake Trout...Ling and a few other things.

No big deal though...the town dock's just 3 minutes away in the boat (the
115HP one anyhow) and a one block walk to the grocery store (and LCBO) to
buy them steaks!!

2006...That gives me all next summer to get the docks/ramps prepared for the
invasion and gives Bruce time to get his cabin built in Idaho at the same
time!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

You got it... but probably not until 2006. The son is getting
hitched next summer, and with some other plans already set for
then, just won't have time. But yeah, there's Bruce G. and a few
others here that could very well make the trek.

Whadaya mean steaks?? I thought we would be fine dining on
freshly caught pickerel and some chunks of jackfish done on an
open fire skillet. And then go hunting for some big game muskies
if you have those in there.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:01 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp
your floatplane??

Walter wrote: "You'll also want the floating dock part
to be long and skinny
to hold quite a few airplanes on both sides. That's
what I don't have on
mine"

Sounds like a threat...who all's coming with you??
Lots of floor space to
crash out or enough lawn at water side for a few tents etc!

When water levels are normal I can get one plane up to
the small pier dock
and with a new floater attached to the larger pier
dock we should be able to
get a couple or three there. Then if I put a floater
around the corner and a
ramp another three!...and we could probably moor a few
in the sheltered area
behind the island as well !!

Just remember is BYOB&Steaks!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp
your floatplane??

My preference is a floating dock with lots of tires.
If you are
subject to boat wakes or waves, then I like to be
able to dock so
I can pull my plane back either behind the dock on
the leeward
side or just on the side so the bows are pointing
into the waves,
and my floats are not being slammed into the dock
from the side.
My bay at Harrison is a favourite place for water skiers and
float tubers when the main lake gets rough, so I get
a lot of big
wakes coming into my dock. So I have it set up so I
can dock in
the front, but then pull it back to the side for
mooring. When
the waves come, they are mostly perpendicular to my
floats, and
they ride them just like a boat. The wave action
actually pushes
the plane away from the dock as the floats are bouncing, so I
keep a little slack in the mooring lines, and the
floats end up
not even touching the dock. I've done this for a few
years now,
and so far no dock rash from that.

You'll also want the floating dock part to be long
and skinny to
hold quite a few airplanes on both sides. That's what I don't
have on mine.

Walter

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:39 am**

Hey Walter,
Did you ever go thru with the access cover thing? Curt N97MR

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:39 am**

Hey Wayne, the best Ive seen is my neighbors. He's got an Aeronca sedan on
straights. He took a standard boat lift straight up style, widened it to
accept the float size, then put 2x12's on the flat. Dock on both sides He has
large disc's screwed into the lake bed for tiedowns. When he launches he
lowers the lift just enough to float the airplane, pushes off and then gets in.
When he returns the fact he's in the airplane makes enough difference so he
slides up on the 2x12's nicely and stops. He doesn't have to be near as speed
critical. Gets the aircraft out of the water for wake protection and the docks
make for easy passenger entry and preflight. Just another way. Curt

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:39 am**

Hi All
I was planning on using an airlift ramp, but was also planning on building a
floating "U" shaped dock with the opening about a foot or so wider than the
floats so it could be tied off without rubbing the dock. This would also
make pre-flighting much easier.
Now that i'm going with anphibs, I'll keep it on shore, but I my still build
the "U" shaped floater.
Dale

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