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Dale, can you tell me which spinner you bought from ACS. There's so
many to choose from.
Wayne, I believe that you were selling a fiberglass spinner a while
back. Do you still sell them? Can you give me some info.
Thanks guys.

Clay



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Yes Clay, I still represent UHS. 10"& 12" work well with the nose bowl and
doors cowling and the 14" is just slightly bigger than you'd want on the
speed cowling. This is where VAN's 13" would be perfect.

Cheers,
Wayne

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Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:25 PM
Subject: Spinners

Dale, can you tell me which spinner you bought from ACS. There's so
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Wayne, I believe that you were selling a fiberglass spinner a while
back. Do you still sell them? Can you give me some info.
Thanks guys.

Clay



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Hi Guys,
I've decided on buying a metal (probabaly pre-polished) spinner. ACS
has a number of metal spinners but it seems to me that the SN-5 at 12"
in diameter and 11 1/8" long is the right one to buy. There is a longer
BN-3 spinner that apparently requires a front bulkhead, but the prop
thickness selections they offer won't suit my prop. Any thoughts on
this? Has anyone tried polishing their own?

Thanks,
Clay
Reb460






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[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
rognal@dcsol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:50 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Spinners


Clay,

A tale of my experience with ACS Products Co.
(subsidiary of Aircraft Spruce):

I have a Sensenich wood prop to install on my Rebel.
In June of '04 I placed
an order to Aircraft Spruce for a BN-3 Spinner Kit
(12"D x 13 1/4"L) which
Charley Denney at Sensenich had recommended. The BN-3
has both a front and
rear bulkhead.

It takes about 8-10 weeks for ACS Products Co. to
manufacture the kit. When I
finally received it, it was badly damaged. The box had
been crushed at one
end. The box was just barely big enough for the major
diameter of the spinner
so the packing peanuts were of no help. A call to
Aircraft Spruce and they
arranged to have UPS pick it up and return it at no
charge to me. All I had
to do was wait another 8-10 weeks for a new spinner to
be built.

The new spinner arrived in good shape except the front
bulkhead was of too
small a diameter, leaving nearly an inch of space
between my prop face and
the front bulkhead. I placed a call to ACS Products
directly and was told I
probably received the wrong size front bulkhead. They
advised me to ship the
bulkhead back (my expense)and they would ship me the
correct size.

Approximately 4-6 weeks later I received the new front
bulkhead. It was
exactly the same size as the one I had returned!

At this point I was getting pretty pissed off at ACS
Products. I placed a
call to Aircraft Spruce Customer Service, told them my
problem, asked them to
refund or replace the BN-3 with a BN-2 (10 3/4"D x
10"L and only one rear
bulkhead!).

Aircraft Spruce was very cooperative, gave me a return
authorization to
return the BN-3 spinner kit (my expense, again),
subsequently credited my
money back to my account, at which time I (very
reluctantly) placed an order
for the BN-2 spinner kit.

Another 8-10 weeks to wait and I just recently
received the BN-2 spinner,
nearly 8 months after I placed the original order.
Consequently I have
nothing good to say about ACS Products Co. However, I
know of no one else
that makes an aluminum spinner for experimental
aircraft, so if metal is what
you want, it seems we are stuck with ACS Products.

I might also mention that with my 4D cowl (MC-3B
nosebowl) the BN-3 was much
too long IMO, and made the aircraft look like it had a
'Jimmy Durante' nose.

Just FYI. Hope it helps.

Roger Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!





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[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
rognal@dcsol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:50 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Spinners


Clay,

A tale of my experience with ACS Products Co.
(subsidiary of Aircraft Spruce):

I have a Sensenich wood prop to install on my Rebel.
In June of '04 I placed
an order to Aircraft Spruce for a BN-3 Spinner Kit
(12"D x 13 1/4"L) which
Charley Denney at Sensenich had recommended. The BN-3
has both a front and
rear bulkhead.

It takes about 8-10 weeks for ACS Products Co. to
manufacture the kit. When I
finally received it, it was badly damaged. The box had
been crushed at one
end. The box was just barely big enough for the major
diameter of the spinner
so the packing peanuts were of no help. A call to
Aircraft Spruce and they
arranged to have UPS pick it up and return it at no
charge to me. All I had
to do was wait another 8-10 weeks for a new spinner to
be built.

The new spinner arrived in good shape except the front
bulkhead was of too
small a diameter, leaving nearly an inch of space
between my prop face and
the front bulkhead. I placed a call to ACS Products
directly and was told I
probably received the wrong size front bulkhead. They
advised me to ship the
bulkhead back (my expense)and they would ship me the
correct size.

Approximately 4-6 weeks later I received the new front
bulkhead. It was
exactly the same size as the one I had returned!

At this point I was getting pretty pissed off at ACS
Products. I placed a
call to Aircraft Spruce Customer Service, told them my
problem, asked them to
refund or replace the BN-3 with a BN-2 (10 3/4"D x
10"L and only one rear
bulkhead!).

Aircraft Spruce was very cooperative, gave me a return
authorization to
return the BN-3 spinner kit (my expense, again),
subsequently credited my
money back to my account, at which time I (very
reluctantly) placed an order
for the BN-2 spinner kit.

Another 8-10 weeks to wait and I just recently
received the BN-2 spinner,
nearly 8 months after I placed the original order.
Consequently I have
nothing good to say about ACS Products Co. However, I
know of no one else
that makes an aluminum spinner for experimental
aircraft, so if metal is what
you want, it seems we are stuck with ACS Products.

I might also mention that with my 4D cowl (MC-3B
nosebowl) the BN-3 was much
too long IMO, and made the aircraft look like it had a
'Jimmy Durante' nose.

Just FYI. Hope it helps.

Roger Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!





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Clay,

A tale of my experience with ACS Products Co. (subsidiary of Aircraft

I have a Sensenich wood prop to install on my Rebel. In June of '04 I

an order to Aircraft Spruce for a BN-3 Spinner Kit (12"D x 13 1/4"L) which
Charley Denney at Sensenich had recommended. The BN-3 has both a front and
rear bulkhead.

It takes about 8-10 weeks for ACS Products Co. to manufacture the kit.

finally received it, it was badly damaged. The box had been crushed at one
end. The box was just barely big enough for the major diameter of the

so the packing peanuts were of no help. A call to Aircraft Spruce and they
arranged to have UPS pick it up and return it at no charge to me. All I

to do was wait another 8-10 weeks for a new spinner to be built.

The new spinner arrived in good shape except the front bulkhead was of too
small a diameter, leaving nearly an inch of space between my prop face and
the front bulkhead. I placed a call to ACS Products directly and was told

probably received the wrong size front bulkhead. They advised me to ship

bulkhead back (my expense)and they would ship me the correct size.

Approximately 4-6 weeks later I received the new front bulkhead. It was
exactly the same size as the one I had returned!

At this point I was getting pretty pissed off at ACS Products. I placed a
call to Aircraft Spruce Customer Service, told them my problem, asked them

refund or replace the BN-3 with a BN-2 (10 3/4"D x 10"L and only one rear
bulkhead!).

Aircraft Spruce was very cooperative, gave me a return authorization to
return the BN-3 spinner kit (my expense, again), subsequently credited my
money back to my account, at which time I (very reluctantly) placed an

for the BN-2 spinner kit.

Another 8-10 weeks to wait and I just recently received the BN-2 spinner,
nearly 8 months after I placed the original order. Consequently I have
nothing good to say about ACS Products Co. However, I know of no one else
that makes an aluminum spinner for experimental aircraft, so if metal is

you want, it seems we are stuck with ACS Products.

I might also mention that with my 4D cowl (MC-3B nosebowl) the BN-3 was

too long IMO, and made the aircraft look like it had a 'Jimmy Durante'

Just FYI. Hope it helps.

Roger Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!





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Hi Roger,
I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience with ACS. So far, I haven't

any problems like that with ACS but I have had my share of problems with
other vendors. Maybe I'll order my spinner and arrange to pick it up at

n Fun. I do have the piper nosebowl and like Wayne, I think that the 12"
diameter would look good. Does anyone have the 13" diameter on this
nosebowl? .
Wayne, what would it cost me for one of your fiberglass spinners?

Thanks
Clay

----- Original Message -----
From: <rognal@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: Spinners

Clay,

A tale of my experience with ACS Products Co. (subsidiary of Aircraft

Spruce):

I have a Sensenich wood prop to install on my Rebel. In June of '04 I

placed

an order to Aircraft Spruce for a BN-3 Spinner Kit (12"D x 13 1/4"L)

Charley Denney at Sensenich had recommended. The BN-3 has both a front

rear bulkhead.

It takes about 8-10 weeks for ACS Products Co. to manufacture the kit.

When I

finally received it, it was badly damaged. The box had been crushed at

end. The box was just barely big enough for the major diameter of the

spinner

so the packing peanuts were of no help. A call to Aircraft Spruce and

arranged to have UPS pick it up and return it at no charge to me. All I

had

to do was wait another 8-10 weeks for a new spinner to be built.

The new spinner arrived in good shape except the front bulkhead was of

small a diameter, leaving nearly an inch of space between my prop face

the front bulkhead. I placed a call to ACS Products directly and was

I

probably received the wrong size front bulkhead. They advised me to ship

the

bulkhead back (my expense)and they would ship me the correct size.

Approximately 4-6 weeks later I received the new front bulkhead. It was
exactly the same size as the one I had returned!

At this point I was getting pretty pissed off at ACS Products. I placed

call to Aircraft Spruce Customer Service, told them my problem, asked

to

refund or replace the BN-3 with a BN-2 (10 3/4"D x 10"L and only one

bulkhead!).

Aircraft Spruce was very cooperative, gave me a return authorization to
return the BN-3 spinner kit (my expense, again), subsequently credited

money back to my account, at which time I (very reluctantly) placed an

order

for the BN-2 spinner kit.

Another 8-10 weeks to wait and I just recently received the BN-2

nearly 8 months after I placed the original order. Consequently I have
nothing good to say about ACS Products Co. However, I know of no one

that makes an aluminum spinner for experimental aircraft, so if metal is

what

you want, it seems we are stuck with ACS Products.

I might also mention that with my 4D cowl (MC-3B nosebowl) the BN-3 was

much

too long IMO, and made the aircraft look like it had a 'Jimmy Durante'

nose.

Just FYI. Hope it helps.

Roger Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!





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Clay, I will send you a picture of MAM's 13" on the "piper" nosebowl and

fiberglass pricing direct. This is what is on FOKM that Garry bought from
me.

10" works on the piper nosebowl, but 12" would look better and pretty much
give a "clean" transition at the top to cowl deck.

Wayne



----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay Smith" <cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: Spinners

Hi Roger,
I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience with ACS. So far, I haven't

had

any problems like that with ACS but I have had my share of problems with
other vendors. Maybe I'll order my spinner and arrange to pick it up at

Sun

n Fun. I do have the piper nosebowl and like Wayne, I think that the

diameter would look good. Does anyone have the 13" diameter on this
nosebowl? .
Wayne, what would it cost me for one of your fiberglass spinners?

Thanks
Clay

----- Original Message -----
From: <rognal@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: Spinners

Clay,

A tale of my experience with ACS Products Co. (subsidiary of Aircraft

Spruce):

I have a Sensenich wood prop to install on my Rebel. In June of '04 I

placed

an order to Aircraft Spruce for a BN-3 Spinner Kit (12"D x 13 1/4"L)

which

Charley Denney at Sensenich had recommended. The BN-3 has both a front

and

rear bulkhead.

It takes about 8-10 weeks for ACS Products Co. to manufacture the kit.

When I

finally received it, it was badly damaged. The box had been crushed at

one

end. The box was just barely big enough for the major diameter of the

spinner

so the packing peanuts were of no help. A call to Aircraft Spruce and

they

arranged to have UPS pick it up and return it at no charge to me. All

had

to do was wait another 8-10 weeks for a new spinner to be built.

The new spinner arrived in good shape except the front bulkhead was of

too

small a diameter, leaving nearly an inch of space between my prop face

and

the front bulkhead. I placed a call to ACS Products directly and was

told

I

probably received the wrong size front bulkhead. They advised me to

the

bulkhead back (my expense)and they would ship me the correct size.

Approximately 4-6 weeks later I received the new front bulkhead. It

exactly the same size as the one I had returned!

At this point I was getting pretty pissed off at ACS Products. I

a

call to Aircraft Spruce Customer Service, told them my problem, asked

them

to

refund or replace the BN-3 with a BN-2 (10 3/4"D x 10"L and only one

rear

bulkhead!).

Aircraft Spruce was very cooperative, gave me a return authorization

return the BN-3 spinner kit (my expense, again), subsequently credited

my

money back to my account, at which time I (very reluctantly) placed an

order

for the BN-2 spinner kit.

Another 8-10 weeks to wait and I just recently received the BN-2

spinner,

nearly 8 months after I placed the original order. Consequently I have
nothing good to say about ACS Products Co. However, I know of no one

else

that makes an aluminum spinner for experimental aircraft, so if metal

what

you want, it seems we are stuck with ACS Products.

I might also mention that with my 4D cowl (MC-3B nosebowl) the BN-3

much

too long IMO, and made the aircraft look like it had a 'Jimmy Durante'

nose.

Just FYI. Hope it helps.

Roger Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!





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Thanks Wayne for getting back to me so soon. I agree, the 12" does have a
kind of blunt look to it. Too bad. FOKM's spinner does look good (I

realize that was a metal 13") So it's only available from MAM? I have

an old metal 12" by 11 1/2" long that looks good but the guy can't

where he bought it from.
This shouldn't be so difficult.

Thanks again for your help.

Clay

P.S I know that this is probably more of a nuisance than anything for

but do you still sell those pog nylon washers that fit between the control
surface hinge points?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Spinners

Clay, I will send you a picture of MAM's 13" on the "piper" nosebowl and

UHS

fiberglass pricing direct. This is what is on FOKM that Garry bought

me.

10" works on the piper nosebowl, but 12" would look better and pretty

give a "clean" transition at the top to cowl deck.

Wayne



----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay Smith" <cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: Spinners

Hi Roger,
I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience with ACS. So far, I

had

any problems like that with ACS but I have had my share of problems

other vendors. Maybe I'll order my spinner and arrange to pick it up

Sun

n Fun. I do have the piper nosebowl and like Wayne, I think that the

12"

diameter would look good. Does anyone have the 13" diameter on this
nosebowl? .
Wayne, what would it cost me for one of your fiberglass spinners?

Thanks
Clay

----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: Spinners

Spruce):

placed

which

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ship

the

was

placed

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to

my

order

spinner,

else

is

what

was

much

nose.

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As Keith said..Sensenich sells some nice ones direct to fit their
props..precut and ready to go!

As for the nylon thrust washers ..."pogs"..YES still have 1/2 a box full.
Send me $5 in an envelope with your address etc and I'll send you a dozen
the same way. You just need to cut a flat bottomed V out of them with side
cutters to clear the safety tie bolt.

Wayne O'Shea
1516 Alvin Williams Rd
Penetang, Ontario
L9M 2C1


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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Spinners

Thanks Wayne for getting back to me so soon. I agree, the 12" does have a
kind of blunt look to it. Too bad. FOKM's spinner does look good (I

didn't

realize that was a metal 13") So it's only available from MAM? I have

seen

an old metal 12" by 11 1/2" long that looks good but the guy can't

remember

where he bought it from.
This shouldn't be so difficult.

Thanks again for your help.

Clay

P.S I know that this is probably more of a nuisance than anything for

you,

but do you still sell those pog nylon washers that fit between the control
surface hinge points?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Spinners

Clay, I will send you a picture of MAM's 13" on the "piper" nosebowl and

UHS

fiberglass pricing direct. This is what is on FOKM that Garry bought

from

me.

10" works on the piper nosebowl, but 12" would look better and pretty

much

give a "clean" transition at the top to cowl deck.

Wayne



----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay Smith" <cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: Spinners

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Clay,
If you are using the "speed cowl" it seems to me that any spinner that
leaves a gap between the spinner edge to the cowl intake will require
the air passing down the side of the spinner to "bounce" off the flat
face of the cowl creating turbulence at the intakes and restricting the
flow of incoming air. On our speed cowl that requires a full 13"
diameter.

We elected to go with the Van's fiberglass spinner for ease of
installation. You can see exactly where to drill and the bulkheads are
fitted to the Sensenich prop thickness.
Ralph Baker



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