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1 Date : Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:45:41 -0400
From : rjohnson18@cogeco.ca
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d

2 Date : Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:58:13 EDT
From : legeorgen@aol.com
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d

3 Date : Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:03:36 -0700
From : jessejenks@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Rebel elevator reinforcement


---------- Digest Message #1 ----------
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:45:41 -0400
From: rjohnson18@cogeco.ca
To: rebel-builders
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d

Piotr and Brent. Just to add my 2 cents worth on the Rebel manual. I built
Rebel "652" from the current manual at that time (May 1999) and had no
problems at all. I did not place one phone call to Murphy Aircraft for
clarification on anything except to get the correct bolt sizes for the
landing gear. If I had any doubts or questions, I found by reading ahead to
the related part solved the problem. I will admit one must possess a certain
amount of mechanical ability to even undertake such a comprehensive project.
Fortunately this great builders site will answer any of the problems that
can't be figured out on your own, so fear not and enjoy the project. Like it
has been said before: It is a rewarding experience. Bob J Rebel "652" -
Flying and loving it.


---------- Digest Message #2 ----------
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:58:13 EDT
From: legeorgen@aol.com
To: rebel-builders
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d

I to enjoyed the process of building the Rebel and had no real problems with
the manual that could not be solved with a phone call to MAM or this list. Of
course, you have to be dedicated and have a commitment to keep at it.

The first flight makes it all worth the effort and it just gets better after
that. It was all a challenge I sort of miss it, but nothing will take the
place of flying the 2 planes I have built from kits. And the Rebel is a great
flying and very well designed aircraft.

Bruce


---------- Digest Message #3 ----------
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:03:36 -0700
From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders
Subject: Re: Rebel elevator reinforcement

Thanks Wayne and Ken,
Yes, I guess it makes sense to order a piece of both .025 and .032.
Jesse

From: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Rebel elevator reinforcement
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:51:02 -0400

Hi Jesse
I find 0.032 better for brackets but 0.025 is a fine replacement for any
small 0.020 parts that you ummm need to remake ;) and such as Wayne says.
ie. since the stuff rolls up and shipping is probably the same you might
consider ordering more than one piece or perhaps a larger piece of
6061T6... Of course it could also just be that I am particularly gifted
at turning aluminum into scrap! Got 30 cents a lb. for scrap last time
but don't think I broke even...

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Yes...very handy for anywhere you make a hole in the .016 or .020

skins for

access/booboo/etc and need a doubler ring!

Wayne

a

handy

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-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Brent Blue MD
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:54 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d


Guys:

If you compare the Vans manuals to the Murphy manuals,
you would see that
Murphy is pitiful. I wouldn't complain if Murphy
didn't advertise itself
as being able to be built by someone who has never
built an airplane before.

Without other builders and phone calls all the time to
tech support at MAM,
it would be near impossible.

Heck, they don't even date the updates in the manual
for gosh sakes!

BB

At 06:00 PM 9/2/2004, you wrote:

Digest of list: rebel-builders-d Total messages in digest: 3

1 Date : Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:45:41 -0400
From : rjohnson18@cogeco.ca
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d

2 Date : Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:58:13 EDT
From : legeorgen@aol.com
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d

3 Date : Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:03:36 -0700
From : jessejenks@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Rebel elevator reinforcement


---------- Digest Message #1 ----------
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:45:41 -0400
From: rjohnson18@cogeco.ca
To: rebel-builders
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d

Piotr and Brent. Just to add my 2 cents worth on the

Rebel manual. I built

Rebel "652" from the current manual at that time (May

1999) and had no

problems at all. I did not place one phone call to

Murphy Aircraft for

clarification on anything except to get the correct

bolt sizes for the

landing gear. If I had any doubts or questions, I

found by reading ahead to

the related part solved the problem. I will admit one

must possess a certain

amount of mechanical ability to even undertake such a

comprehensive project.

Fortunately this great builders site will answer any

of the problems that

can't be figured out on your own, so fear not and

enjoy the project. Like it

has been said before: It is a rewarding experience.

Bob J Rebel "652" -

Flying and loving it.


---------- Digest Message #2 ----------
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:58:13 EDT
From: legeorgen@aol.com
To: rebel-builders
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d

I to enjoyed the process of building the Rebel and

had no real problems with

the manual that could not be solved with a phone call

to MAM or this list. Of

course, you have to be dedicated and have a

commitment to keep at it.

The first flight makes it all worth the effort and it

just gets better after

that. It was all a challenge I sort of miss it, but

nothing will take the

place of flying the 2 planes I have built from kits.

And the Rebel is a great

flying and very well designed aircraft.

Bruce


---------- Digest Message #3 ----------
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:03:36 -0700
From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders
Subject: Re: Rebel elevator reinforcement

Thanks Wayne and Ken,
Yes, I guess it makes sense to order a piece of both

.025 and .032.

Jesse

From: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Rebel elevator reinforcement
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:51:02 -0400

Hi Jesse
I find 0.032 better for brackets but 0.025 is a

fine replacement for any

small 0.020 parts that you ummm need to remake ;)

and such as Wayne says.

ie. since the stuff rolls up and shipping is

probably the same you might

consider ordering more than one piece or perhaps a

larger piece of

6061T6... Of course it could also just be that I am

particularly gifted

at turning aluminum into scrap! Got 30 cents a lb.

for scrap last time

but don't think I broke even...

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

the .016 or .020

skins for

shipping, so maybe I will buy

a

sheet stock. Is this a

handy




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I won't argue that the manual can't be improved, but I was a
first time builder, and it really wasn't an issue for me. Where
it fell short mostly was the finishing items, and by that time
you will have built up enough experience to figure things out for
yourself. You'll be talking to a lot of other builders anyway,
and with this list, and the factory support, you will have all
the help you need. To keep things in perspective, I spent almost
as long doing the firewall forward and my instrument panel as the
rest of the airframe. And I didn't start with a fast build
either.

And once you're flying, you'll look back and think how easy it
all was...

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Brent Blue MD
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:54 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d


Guys:

If you compare the Vans manuals to the Murphy manuals,
you would see that
Murphy is pitiful. I wouldn't complain if Murphy
didn't advertise itself
as being able to be built by someone who has never
built an airplane before.

Without other builders and phone calls all the time to
tech support at MAM,
it would be near impossible.

Heck, they don't even date the updates in the manual
for gosh sakes!

BB

At 06:00 PM 9/2/2004, you wrote:

Digest of list: rebel-builders-d Total messages in digest: 3

1 Date : Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:45:41 -0400
From : rjohnson18@cogeco.ca
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d

2 Date : Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:58:13 EDT
From : legeorgen@aol.com
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d

3 Date : Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:03:36 -0700
From : jessejenks@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Rebel elevator reinforcement


---------- Digest Message #1 ----------
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:45:41 -0400
From: rjohnson18@cogeco.ca
To: rebel-builders
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d

Piotr and Brent. Just to add my 2 cents worth on the

Rebel manual. I built

Rebel "652" from the current manual at that time (May

1999) and had no

problems at all. I did not place one phone call to

Murphy Aircraft for

clarification on anything except to get the correct

bolt sizes for the

landing gear. If I had any doubts or questions, I

found by reading ahead to

the related part solved the problem. I will admit one

must possess a certain

amount of mechanical ability to even undertake such a

comprehensive project.

Fortunately this great builders site will answer any

of the problems that

can't be figured out on your own, so fear not and

enjoy the project. Like it

has been said before: It is a rewarding experience.

Bob J Rebel "652" -

Flying and loving it.


---------- Digest Message #2 ----------
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:58:13 EDT
From: legeorgen@aol.com
To: rebel-builders
Subject: Re: DIGEST - rebel-builders-d

I to enjoyed the process of building the Rebel and

had no real problems with

the manual that could not be solved with a phone call

to MAM or this list. Of

course, you have to be dedicated and have a

commitment to keep at it.

The first flight makes it all worth the effort and it

just gets better after

that. It was all a challenge I sort of miss it, but

nothing will take the

place of flying the 2 planes I have built from kits.

And the Rebel is a great

flying and very well designed aircraft.

Bruce


---------- Digest Message #3 ----------
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:03:36 -0700
From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders
Subject: Re: Rebel elevator reinforcement

Thanks Wayne and Ken,
Yes, I guess it makes sense to order a piece of both

.025 and .032.

Jesse

fine replacement for any

and such as Wayne says.

probably the same you might

larger piece of

particularly gifted

for scrap last time

the .016 or .020

shipping, so maybe I will buy

sheet stock. Is this a

---------- Digest Message #1 ----------
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:42:48 -0600
From: mbetti@up.net
To: rebel-builders
Subject: Inspection covers

Thanks all for your input on tools and deburring. I was wondering, what
is the best option for those inspection covers. I have 3 to install on
stab and I can't see putting them in with just sheetmetal screws.
Mike Betti

to All
has anybody compared Murphy s dooping wing tips to Fife Hoerner tips for
performance on an Elite on floats
thanks
gilles st pierre e717





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has anybody compared Murphy s dooping wing tips to Fife Hoerner tips for
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thanks
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I have been lurking on the digest list for months now, and I'm getting
ready to build the garage that I will eventually put the Moose kit into.

My problem: I live on a 25-foot wide lot here in Calgary, so the
biggest width I can go is about 23 feet. I gather the moose itself is
24-feet long overall when it's assembled, and of course you want to be
able to work around the thing.

The city will probably only let me build a garage that is 24 feet deep -
but these are outside dimensions.

My first question: can you build a moose in a space that is
approximately 22 feet wide by 23 feet deep? If so, will there be any
floor space left over for the air compressor, drill press, band saw, et
cetera?

One of the things I'm considering is putting in a "loft" above the main
garage floor. That would give me space to put the wings and other parts
while I work on the main fuselage. Would this be useful, or is it not
worth the thousands of dollars that I could otherwise be pouring into
the Moose? My current alternative is to put in a 12-foot ceiling
(instead of 10 feet) and hang the wings from the rafters. Bad idea?

I would appreciate any advice you people may have about this. I plan to
order the kit next summer, when finances permit, and take delivery as
soon as it's ready.

Does anyone think that the quickbuild/solid rivets is not the way to go
if you can afford to do it that way? 3000 hours seems like a long time
... and that's the advertized build time with the "slow build".

I like the idea of the M-14P engine, so it seems that I would be better
off spending the money on the quickbuild (built in Canada, not the
Phillipines!), and saving money on the engine. I heard that the M-14
can run on farm gas, which really makes the decision easier!

Thank-you in advance for you advice!


Bill in Calgary