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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Hi Guys,
I considering using a borrowed 4 blade Warp Drive for my 0320 on wheels but
when installed with out the nose bowl I can see that the outer nuts holding
the blades into the hub are only a 1/4" from the the starter. That seem too
close to me, when you consider that the nose bowl must fit perfectly in
between with no room to spare for any vibration. Anyone else notice this?
Would the 3 blade hub be smaller in diameter. Thanks.

Clay

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Hi Clay, I sorta got the pic, so it sounds to me like you'll have to move that part of the baffeling from the nosebowl to the engine.
I guess Im still confused where the 1/4 spacing is, as the engine prop and starter all move as 1 unit, but if i do understand correctly, there is inlet or somthing like that protruding back form the inside of the nosebowl. That being the case, then cut out the offending piece on the nose bowl and move it via vlexible baffeling to the engine.
Of course that brings up the 5 most overused and understated words in aviation.
ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS!!!!!! Good luck and keep us posted. Curt N97MR
On another note, even though I'm still running my 3 blade warp, with harmonic dampner, The 3 blade is not recomended by the factory so I guess I wouldn't even go through the hassels of that research. Curt

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Hi Curt,
Thanks for your response. I'll try to be clearer ... I'm using a Magna
Flight starter with a forward bushing which makes it stick out forward
beyond the ring gear (just like most common starters). Therefore I will need
to put a 'bump'on my nose bowl. When I install the 4-blade hub the outer
inside fiber nuts that hold the blades into the hub (ther are 4 bolts and 4
nuts for each blade) is very close to the forward end of the starter. This
can't be changed. I guess I could install a 1/2 " prop extension (spacer)
but I have spoken with one other guy who had my set-up ( 0320, old style
starter and no spacer) and he didn't see the problem with his 3-blade.
That's why I was thinking that maybe the 3 blade hub is smaller in diameter
than the 4 blade. I was just hoping to use this prop for awhile until I
figure out which float prop to buy.
Thanks again.

Clay
Reb 475
Just need a prop and paint to fly

----- Original Message -----
From: <Rebflyer@aol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay, I sorta got the pic, so it sounds to me like you'll have to move

that part of the baffeling from the nosebowl to the engine.

I guess Im still confused where the 1/4 spacing is, as the engine prop

and starter all move as 1 unit, but if i do understand correctly, there is
inlet or somthing like that protruding back form the inside of the nosebowl.
That being the case, then cut out the offending piece on the nose bowl and
move it via vlexible baffeling to the engine.

Of course that brings up the 5 most overused and understated words in

aviation.

ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS!!!!!! Good luck and keep us posted. Curt N97MR
On another note, even though I'm still running my 3 blade warp, with

harmonic dampner, The 3 blade is not recomended by the factory so I guess I
wouldn't even go through the hassels of that research. Curt

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Hi Clay
My 3 blade prop only has 2 bolts per blade so it's very possible they are
a different diameter. My nosebowl is off a Tri-pacer and it just had a hole
for the end of the starter to poke out through. If you did that you'd have
clearance to test things out.
Drew

At 02:06 PM 8/6/2004 -0230, you wrote:

Hi Curt,
Thanks for your response. I'll try to be clearer ... I'm using a Magna
Flight starter with a forward bushing which makes it stick out forward
beyond the ring gear (just like most common starters). Therefore I will need
to put a 'bump'on my nose bowl. When I install the 4-blade hub the outer
inside fiber nuts that hold the blades into the hub (ther are 4 bolts and 4
nuts for each blade) is very close to the forward end of the starter. This
can't be changed. I guess I could install a 1/2 " prop extension (spacer)
but I have spoken with one other guy who had my set-up ( 0320, old style
starter and no spacer) and he didn't see the problem with his 3-blade.
That's why I was thinking that maybe the 3 blade hub is smaller in diameter
than the 4 blade. I was just hoping to use this prop for awhile until I
figure out which float prop to buy.
Thanks again.

Clay
Reb 475
Just need a prop and paint to fly

----- Original Message -----
From: <Rebflyer@aol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay, I sorta got the pic, so it sounds to me like you'll have to move
that part of the baffeling from the nosebowl to the engine.
I guess Im still confused where the 1/4 spacing is, as the engine prop
and starter all move as 1 unit, but if i do understand correctly, there is
inlet or somthing like that protruding back form the inside of the nosebowl.
That being the case, then cut out the offending piece on the nose bowl and
move it via vlexible baffeling to the engine.
Of course that brings up the 5 most overused and understated words in
aviation.
ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS!!!!!! Good luck and keep us posted. Curt N97MR
On another note, even though I'm still running my 3 blade warp, with
harmonic dampner, The 3 blade is not recomended by the factory so I guess I
wouldn't even go through the hassels of that research. Curt

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Thanks Drew for the info. I spoke with Warp Drive today and found out that
in fact the 4 blade hub is larger in diameter than the 3 blade hub by about
1 1/4' radius. This explains a lot. Apparently Warp Drive is now
recommending the 4 blade for the larger Lyco engine. A guy flying a Subaru
powered rebel told me that the 4 blade didn't perform well on floats so he
got a wooden Collin Walker(spelling?) and loves it.

Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay
My 3 blade prop only has 2 bolts per blade so it's very possible they are
a different diameter. My nosebowl is off a Tri-pacer and it just had a

hole

for the end of the starter to poke out through. If you did that you'd have
clearance to test things out.
Drew

At 02:06 PM 8/6/2004 -0230, you wrote:
Hi Curt,
Thanks for your response. I'll try to be clearer ... I'm using a Magna
Flight starter with a forward bushing which makes it stick out forward
beyond the ring gear (just like most common starters). Therefore I will

need

to put a 'bump'on my nose bowl. When I install the 4-blade hub the outer
inside fiber nuts that hold the blades into the hub (ther are 4 bolts and

4

nuts for each blade) is very close to the forward end of the starter.

This

can't be changed. I guess I could install a 1/2 " prop extension

(spacer)

but I have spoken with one other guy who had my set-up ( 0320, old style
starter and no spacer) and he didn't see the problem with his 3-blade.
That's why I was thinking that maybe the 3 blade hub is smaller in

diameter

than the 4 blade. I was just hoping to use this prop for awhile until I
figure out which float prop to buy.
Thanks again.

Clay
Reb 475
Just need a prop and paint to fly

----- Original Message -----
From: <Rebflyer@aol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay, I sorta got the pic, so it sounds to me like you'll have to

move

that part of the baffeling from the nosebowl to the engine.
I guess Im still confused where the 1/4 spacing is, as the engine

prop

and starter all move as 1 unit, but if i do understand correctly, there

is

inlet or somthing like that protruding back form the inside of the

nosebowl.

That being the case, then cut out the offending piece on the nose bowl

and

move it via vlexible baffeling to the engine.
Of course that brings up the 5 most overused and understated words in
aviation.
ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS!!!!!! Good luck and keep us posted. Curt N97MR
On another note, even though I'm still running my 3 blade warp, with
harmonic dampner, The 3 blade is not recomended by the factory so I guess

I

wouldn't even go through the hassels of that research. Curt

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

There are three different hub thicknesses available, 2", 2.5" and 2.75".
I believe you should be using the 2.75" thick hub for your 0-320. Is it
possible that you've got one of the smaller hubs?

Some hub info at: http://www.warpdriveprops.com/

Daryl

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Clay Smith wrote:

Hi Curt,
Thanks for your response. I'll try to be clearer ... I'm using a Magna
Flight starter with a forward bushing which makes it stick out forward
beyond the ring gear (just like most common starters). Therefore I will need
to put a 'bump'on my nose bowl. When I install the 4-blade hub the outer
inside fiber nuts that hold the blades into the hub (ther are 4 bolts and 4
nuts for each blade) is very close to the forward end of the starter. This
can't be changed. I guess I could install a 1/2 " prop extension (spacer)
but I have spoken with one other guy who had my set-up ( 0320, old style
starter and no spacer) and he didn't see the problem with his 3-blade.
That's why I was thinking that maybe the 3 blade hub is smaller in diameter
than the 4 blade. I was just hoping to use this prop for awhile until I
figure out which float prop to buy.
Thanks again.

Clay
Reb 475
Just need a prop and paint to fly

----- Original Message -----
From: <Rebflyer@aol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay, I sorta got the pic, so it sounds to me like you'll have to move
that part of the baffeling from the nosebowl to the engine.
I guess Im still confused where the 1/4 spacing is, as the engine prop
and starter all move as 1 unit, but if i do understand correctly, there is
inlet or somthing like that protruding back form the inside of the nosebowl.
That being the case, then cut out the offending piece on the nose bowl and
move it via vlexible baffeling to the engine.
Of course that brings up the 5 most overused and understated words in
aviation.
ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS!!!!!! Good luck and keep us posted. Curt N97MR
On another note, even though I'm still running my 3 blade warp, with
harmonic dampner, The 3 blade is not recomended by the factory so I guess I
wouldn't even go through the hassels of that research. Curt

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Hi Clay !

That wasn't Rick from Musgrave Harbour, with the Subaru, was it ???
That 4 blade had a LOT of drag when gliding ....

There are more Rebels lately going to the Prince prop - it's a wood core
with carbon-fiber covering & protective edge for floats. The big attractions
are that it only weighs about 9 pounds (!!!) and it 'sort-of' changes pitch
in flight - gives about 100 fpm more climb than a Sensenich, at over 20 lb.
less weight. Their diameter & pitch numbers seem strange after regular
props, but apparently they work very well. ( 68 x 35 ??? - can't remember)

Prince props are available through Murphy Aircraft, at your usual
Rebel Builders discounted price (approx. $600 LESS than a Sensenich !!).

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 06 August 2004 09:34 pm, Clay Smith wrote:

Thanks Drew for the info. I spoke with Warp Drive today and found out that
in fact the 4 blade hub is larger in diameter than the 3 blade hub by about
1 1/4' radius. This explains a lot. Apparently Warp Drive is now
recommending the 4 blade for the larger Lyco engine. A guy flying a Subaru
powered rebel told me that the 4 blade didn't perform well on floats so he
got a wooden Collin Walker(spelling?) and loves it.

Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay
My 3 blade prop only has 2 bolts per blade so it's very possible they
are a different diameter. My nosebowl is off a Tri-pacer and it just had
a
hole

for the end of the starter to poke out through. If you did that you'd
have clearance to test things out.
Drew

At 02:06 PM 8/6/2004 -0230, you wrote:
Hi Curt,
Thanks for your response. I'll try to be clearer ... I'm using a Magna
Flight starter with a forward bushing which makes it stick out forward
beyond the ring gear (just like most common starters). Therefore I will
need

to put a 'bump'on my nose bowl. When I install the 4-blade hub the
outer inside fiber nuts that hold the blades into the hub (ther are 4
bolts and
4

nuts for each blade) is very close to the forward end of the starter.
This

can't be changed. I guess I could install a 1/2 " prop extension
(spacer)

but I have spoken with one other guy who had my set-up ( 0320, old style
starter and no spacer) and he didn't see the problem with his 3-blade.
That's why I was thinking that maybe the 3 blade hub is smaller in
diameter

than the 4 blade. I was just hoping to use this prop for awhile until I
figure out which float prop to buy.
Thanks again.

Clay
Reb 475
Just need a prop and paint to fly

----- Original Message -----
From: <Rebflyer@aol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

move

that part of the baffeling from the nosebowl to the engine.

prop

and starter all move as 1 unit, but if i do understand correctly, there
is

inlet or somthing like that protruding back form the inside of the
nosebowl.

That being the case, then cut out the offending piece on the nose bowl
and

move it via vlexible baffeling to the engine.
aviation.
harmonic dampner, The 3 blade is not recomended by the factory so I
guess
I

wouldn't even go through the hassels of that research. Curt
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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Hi Bob!
It's good to here from you. Yeah, that was Rick I borrowed the prop from.
He's still flying behind his Subaru and loving it!
I was hoping to use his prop just for awhile until I could make up my mind
on which prop to buy. I did receive some info on the Prince prop last year
and I have to admit that I'm tempted. Light weight (no dampener needed for
high HP), apparently 1 prop will work for float and wheel operation due to
flexing design and great performance according to at least one of our rebel
builders (was it Dale ? ...). It's interesting to hear from you that lately
more Rebels are going to the Prince prop. Maybe I'll call Murphy and Prince
Prop tomorrow and ask some questions.
Hope your having a good summer ... it's way too hot out here!

Clay

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay !

That wasn't Rick from Musgrave Harbour, with the Subaru, was it ???
That 4 blade had a LOT of drag when gliding ....

There are more Rebels lately going to the Prince prop - it's a wood core
with carbon-fiber covering & protective edge for floats. The big

attractions

are that it only weighs about 9 pounds (!!!) and it 'sort-of' changes

pitch

in flight - gives about 100 fpm more climb than a Sensenich, at over 20

lb.

less weight. Their diameter & pitch numbers seem strange after regular
props, but apparently they work very well. ( 68 x 35 ??? - can't

remember)

Prince props are available through Murphy Aircraft, at your usual
Rebel Builders discounted price (approx. $600 LESS than a Sensenich !!).

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 06 August 2004 09:34 pm, Clay Smith wrote:
Thanks Drew for the info. I spoke with Warp Drive today and found out

that

in fact the 4 blade hub is larger in diameter than the 3 blade hub by

about

1 1/4' radius. This explains a lot. Apparently Warp Drive is now
recommending the 4 blade for the larger Lyco engine. A guy flying a

Subaru

powered rebel told me that the 4 blade didn't perform well on floats so

he

got a wooden Collin Walker(spelling?) and loves it.

Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay
My 3 blade prop only has 2 bolts per blade so it's very possible they
are a different diameter. My nosebowl is off a Tri-pacer and it just

had

a
hole

for the end of the starter to poke out through. If you did that you'd
have clearance to test things out.
Drew

At 02:06 PM 8/6/2004 -0230, you wrote:

Magna

forward

will

need

4

4

This

(spacer)

style

3-blade.

diameter

until I

to

move

prop

there

is

nosebowl.

bowl

and

words

N97MR

with

I

Drew

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Hi Clay,
Ok I get the pic. I guess if the crank is moving enough to take up that
space I'd be more worried about the engine than the prop! The pull of the prop
is only going to take it further away, but if I was still concerned, I'd
just drop Warp drive an E-mail and I'm sure they'll help you with your problem.
Good luck, Curt

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Hi Clay !

Sounds like you'll have to use a spacer with the W-D prop - usually,
they are in the 1.5 - 2" thickness range. If you find one like that, it won't
hurt to use it - some folks believe the prop works better if farther away
from the cowling....

Overall, though, the Prince sounds like a better bet.

We've hardly had summer here - spring was cold & wet, with several
floods - and now fall is coming !! :-( REALLY enjoyed a couple of HOT
days at Oshkosh, though - mid 80's with a breeze - THAT felt GOOD !!!

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Sunday 08 August 2004 11:11 am, Clay Smith wrote:

Hi Bob!
It's good to here from you. Yeah, that was Rick I borrowed the prop from.
He's still flying behind his Subaru and loving it!
I was hoping to use his prop just for awhile until I could make up my mind
on which prop to buy. I did receive some info on the Prince prop last year
and I have to admit that I'm tempted. Light weight (no dampener needed for
high HP), apparently 1 prop will work for float and wheel operation due to
flexing design and great performance according to at least one of our rebel
builders (was it Dale ? ...). It's interesting to hear from you that
lately more Rebels are going to the Prince prop. Maybe I'll call Murphy
and Prince Prop tomorrow and ask some questions.
Hope your having a good summer ... it's way too hot out here!

Clay

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay !

That wasn't Rick from Musgrave Harbour, with the Subaru, was it ???
That 4 blade had a LOT of drag when gliding ....

There are more Rebels lately going to the Prince prop - it's a wood core
with carbon-fiber covering & protective edge for floats. The big
attractions

are that it only weighs about 9 pounds (!!!) and it 'sort-of' changes
pitch

in flight - gives about 100 fpm more climb than a Sensenich, at over 20
lb.

less weight. Their diameter & pitch numbers seem strange after regular
props, but apparently they work very well. ( 68 x 35 ??? - can't
remember)

Prince props are available through Murphy Aircraft, at your usual
Rebel Builders discounted price (approx. $600 LESS than a Sensenich !!).

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------

On Friday 06 August 2004 09:34 pm, Clay Smith wrote:
Thanks Drew for the info. I spoke with Warp Drive today and found out
that

in fact the 4 blade hub is larger in diameter than the 3 blade hub by
about

1 1/4' radius. This explains a lot. Apparently Warp Drive is now
recommending the 4 blade for the larger Lyco engine. A guy flying a
Subaru

powered rebel told me that the 4 blade didn't perform well on floats so
he

got a wooden Collin Walker(spelling?) and loves it.

Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

had

hole

Magna

forward

will

need

4

4
This
(spacer)

style

3-blade.

diameter

until I

to

move
prop

there

is
nosebowl.

bowl

and

words

N97MR

with

I
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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Hey Bob,

If you really enjoy warm Wx, take a hop down here, to Louisiana. Great
place to visit in August if ya like it warm.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay !

Sounds like you'll have to use a spacer with the W-D prop - usually,
they are in the 1.5 - 2" thickness range. If you find one like that, it

won't

hurt to use it - some folks believe the prop works better if farther away
from the cowling....

Overall, though, the Prince sounds like a better bet.

We've hardly had summer here - spring was cold & wet, with several
floods - and now fall is coming !! :-( REALLY enjoyed a couple of HOT
days at Oshkosh, though - mid 80's with a breeze - THAT felt GOOD !!!

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Sunday 08 August 2004 11:11 am, Clay Smith wrote:
Hi Bob!
It's good to here from you. Yeah, that was Rick I borrowed the prop

from.

He's still flying behind his Subaru and loving it!
I was hoping to use his prop just for awhile until I could make up my

mind

on which prop to buy. I did receive some info on the Prince prop last

year

and I have to admit that I'm tempted. Light weight (no dampener needed

for

high HP), apparently 1 prop will work for float and wheel operation due

to

flexing design and great performance according to at least one of our

rebel

builders (was it Dale ? ...). It's interesting to hear from you that
lately more Rebels are going to the Prince prop. Maybe I'll call Murphy
and Prince Prop tomorrow and ask some questions.
Hope your having a good summer ... it's way too hot out here!

Clay

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay !

That wasn't Rick from Musgrave Harbour, with the Subaru, was it ???
That 4 blade had a LOT of drag when gliding ....

There are more Rebels lately going to the Prince prop - it's a wood

core

with carbon-fiber covering & protective edge for floats. The big
attractions

are that it only weighs about 9 pounds (!!!) and it 'sort-of' changes
pitch

in flight - gives about 100 fpm more climb than a Sensenich, at over

20

lb.

less weight. Their diameter & pitch numbers seem strange after

regular

props, but apparently they work very well. ( 68 x 35 ??? - can't
remember)

Prince props are available through Murphy Aircraft, at your usual
Rebel Builders discounted price (approx. $600 LESS than a Sensenich

!!).

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------

On Friday 06 August 2004 09:34 pm, Clay Smith wrote:

out

that

by

about

Subaru

so

he

it

had

you'd

Magna

forward

I

will

the

are

4

old

style

3-blade.

in

until I

have

to

there

the

bowl

words

N97MR

warp,

with

I

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Clay:

I had used the 4-blade on my Subaru( 160HP) Rebel and found that it was
really just to much prop. It would jump off land and accelerate like a
sports car but top end speed was slow and the prop really acted as a break.

It was quite easy to feel both acceleration and deceleration surges just by
playing with the throttle. I used the same Warp drive blades and just
changed the hub to a 3 blade hub, and am quite happy with the prop.

I have only flown a little bit on floats yet but don't really think I will
even have to adjust the pitch to go from ski's/wheels to floats.

Thank You,

Del Schmucker
Information Systems Manager
Keewatin-Patricia District School Board
807-223-1254
807-221-8769 Cell
807-223-4703 Fax
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
www.kpdsb.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Clay
Smith
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:12 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Bob!
It's good to here from you. Yeah, that was Rick I borrowed the prop from.
He's still flying behind his Subaru and loving it!
I was hoping to use his prop just for awhile until I could make up my mind
on which prop to buy. I did receive some info on the Prince prop last year
and I have to admit that I'm tempted. Light weight (no dampener needed for
high HP), apparently 1 prop will work for float and wheel operation due to
flexing design and great performance according to at least one of our rebel
builders (was it Dale ? ...). It's interesting to hear from you that lately
more Rebels are going to the Prince prop. Maybe I'll call Murphy and Prince
Prop tomorrow and ask some questions.
Hope your having a good summer ... it's way too hot out here!

Clay

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay !

That wasn't Rick from Musgrave Harbour, with the Subaru, was it ???
That 4 blade had a LOT of drag when gliding ....

There are more Rebels lately going to the Prince prop - it's a wood core
with carbon-fiber covering & protective edge for floats. The big

attractions

are that it only weighs about 9 pounds (!!!) and it 'sort-of' changes

pitch

in flight - gives about 100 fpm more climb than a Sensenich, at over 20

lb.

less weight. Their diameter & pitch numbers seem strange after regular
props, but apparently they work very well. ( 68 x 35 ??? - can't

remember)

Prince props are available through Murphy Aircraft, at your usual
Rebel Builders discounted price (approx. $600 LESS than a Sensenich !!).

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 06 August 2004 09:34 pm, Clay Smith wrote:
Thanks Drew for the info. I spoke with Warp Drive today and found out

that

in fact the 4 blade hub is larger in diameter than the 3 blade hub by

about

1 1/4' radius. This explains a lot. Apparently Warp Drive is now
recommending the 4 blade for the larger Lyco engine. A guy flying a

Subaru

powered rebel told me that the 4 blade didn't perform well on floats so

he

got a wooden Collin Walker(spelling?) and loves it.

Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay
My 3 blade prop only has 2 bolts per blade so it's very possible they
are a different diameter. My nosebowl is off a Tri-pacer and it just

had

a
hole

for the end of the starter to poke out through. If you did that you'd
have clearance to test things out.
Drew

At 02:06 PM 8/6/2004 -0230, you wrote:

Magna

forward

will

need

4

4

This

(spacer)

style

3-blade.

diameter

until I

to

move

prop

there

is

nosebowl.

bowl

and

words

N97MR

with

I

Drew

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Clay:

I should have also mentioned/reminded that you wouldn't need to buy a whole
new prop from Warp just buy the 3 blade hub for a couple of hundred dollars,
and use the existing blades.

I noticed that I wrote break which should have been "brake" and the surges
that I was referring to were airborne and really quite evident.

Thank You,

Del Schmucker
Information Systems Manager
Keewatin-Patricia District School Board
807-223-1254
807-221-8769 Cell
807-223-4703 Fax
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
www.kpdsb.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:59 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Warp Drive hub

Clay:

I had used the 4-blade on my Subaru( 160HP) Rebel and found that it was
really just to much prop. It would jump off land and accelerate like a
sports car but top end speed was slow and the prop really acted as a break.

It was quite easy to feel both acceleration and deceleration surges just by
playing with the throttle. I used the same Warp drive blades and just
changed the hub to a 3 blade hub, and am quite happy with the prop.

I have only flown a little bit on floats yet but don't really think I will
even have to adjust the pitch to go from ski's/wheels to floats.

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Hi Bill !

Don't tempt me ! ;-) I'm easily led astray !!! :-)

Lots of stuff to do for a while - might fly out to BC next month
to get my amphibs on .... but a side trip south in the middle of our
delightful Canadian winter ..... welllllllll ....... :-) :-)

We might see you then !! :-)

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 09 August 2004 11:17 am, Bill Delcambre wrote:

Hey Bob,

If you really enjoy warm Wx, take a hop down here, to Louisiana. Great
place to visit in August if ya like it warm.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

Hi Clay !

Sounds like you'll have to use a spacer with the W-D prop - usually,
they are in the 1.5 - 2" thickness range. If you find one like that, it
won't

hurt to use it - some folks believe the prop works better if farther away
from the cowling....

Overall, though, the Prince sounds like a better bet.

We've hardly had summer here - spring was cold & wet, with several
floods - and now fall is coming !! :-( REALLY enjoyed a couple of
HOT days at Oshkosh, though - mid 80's with a breeze - THAT felt GOOD !!!

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------

On Sunday 08 August 2004 11:11 am, Clay Smith wrote:
Hi Bob!
It's good to here from you. Yeah, that was Rick I borrowed the prop
from.

He's still flying behind his Subaru and loving it!
I was hoping to use his prop just for awhile until I could make up my
mind

on which prop to buy. I did receive some info on the Prince prop last
year

and I have to admit that I'm tempted. Light weight (no dampener needed
for

high HP), apparently 1 prop will work for float and wheel operation due
to

flexing design and great performance according to at least one of our
rebel

builders (was it Dale ? ...). It's interesting to hear from you that
lately more Rebels are going to the Prince prop. Maybe I'll call
Murphy and Prince Prop tomorrow and ask some questions.
Hope your having a good summer ... it's way too hot out here!

Clay

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: Warp Drive hub

core

attractions
pitch

20

lb.

regular

remember)

!!).

out

that

by

about
Subaru

so

he

it

had

you'd

Magna
forward

I

will

the

are

4

old

style
3-blade.

in

until I

have

to
there

the

bowl
words
N97MR

warp,

with

I

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:22 am**

Hi Del,
I don't think that I'm going to fly with the 4 blade now that I hear about
this "braking" effect that everyone is talking about and I'm still nervous
about using the 3 blade on my 0320. I'll just use the 4 blade for ground
start up and testing ... I guess I'm just going to have to make a decision
sooner than later on type of prop to buy.

Thanks,
Clay

----- Original Message -----
From: <del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: Warp Drive hub

Clay:

I should have also mentioned/reminded that you wouldn't need to buy a

whole

new prop from Warp just buy the 3 blade hub for a couple of hundred

dollars,

and use the existing blades.

I noticed that I wrote break which should have been "brake" and the surges
that I was referring to were airborne and really quite evident.

Thank You,

Del Schmucker
Information Systems Manager
Keewatin-Patricia District School Board
807-223-1254
807-221-8769 Cell
807-223-4703 Fax
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
www.kpdsb.on.ca

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del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:59 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Warp Drive hub

Clay:

I had used the 4-blade on my Subaru( 160HP) Rebel and found that it was
really just to much prop. It would jump off land and accelerate like a
sports car but top end speed was slow and the prop really acted as a

break.

It was quite easy to feel both acceleration and deceleration surges just

by

playing with the throttle. I used the same Warp drive blades and just
changed the hub to a 3 blade hub, and am quite happy with the prop.

I have only flown a little bit on floats yet but don't really think I will
even have to adjust the pitch to go from ski's/wheels to floats.

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