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Hi David:

Are the Hoerner wing tips Rebel specific or would they also fit
the Elite? I'm finishing up my tail and will be moving on to the
wings this summer. Are there specific things to do during building
for your tips or can they be interchanged with the Murphy tips
later?

Thanks.

Eric Fogelin
Elite #645E

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Subject: Re: Keep building guys

Hi Brian,

I have been reading a lot from all the builders recently. Sounds like
everybody is progressing nicely. I would like to add that to those who
are looking for a little more speed out of the Rebel, I am producing
Hoerner wing tips. I have had good results with the prototype part and
have several orders from builders. Please check out the photos in Wray
Thompsons webb page. I am beginning production and soon will be
delivering parts to those who have ordered.
Should anyone be wanting to gain 2 MPH in cruise, lower the stall 2 MPH
and shorten the ground roll, give me a note back. Cost? Well, it all
comes done to cost. 520.00 U.S. plus shipping.
AS most of you know, I am not currently a builder, but, some day I hope
to be.
Keep em flying and enjoy the sky's.

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Hi Eric,

Unfortunately the Hoerner tips will not fit the Elite or 2500. They are
exclusive to the Rebel. Sorry I can't help you on that.
I may attempt to design a set in the next year if the demand is big
enough.
Thanks for your interest.


--- Eric Fogelin <ericfo@whidbey.com> wrote:

Hi David:

Are the Hoerner wing tips Rebel specific or would
they also fit
the Elite? I'm finishing up my tail and will be
moving on to the
wings this summer. Are there specific things to do
during building
for your tips or can they be interchanged with the
Murphy tips
later?

Thanks.

Eric Fogelin
Elite #645E

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From: David Fife[SMTP:aircrafttips@yahoo.com]
Reply To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 9:23 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Keep building guys

Hi Brian,

I have been reading a lot from all the builders
recently. Sounds like
everybody is progressing nicely. I would like to
add that to those who
are looking for a little more speed out of the
Rebel, I am producing
Hoerner wing tips. I have had good results with the
prototype part and
have several orders from builders. Please check out
the photos in Wray
Thompsons webb page. I am beginning production and
soon will be
delivering parts to those who have ordered.
Should anyone be wanting to gain 2 MPH in cruise,
lower the stall 2 MPH
and shorten the ground roll, give me a note back.
Cost? Well, it all
comes done to cost. 520.00 U.S. plus shipping.
AS most of you know, I am not currently a builder,
but, some day I hope
to be.
Keep em flying and enjoy the sky's.

===
Sincerely,

David K. Fife
3D Composite Aircraft Parts Inc.
1345 Merkle St.
Ortonville, MI. 48462
Phone 248-627-4367

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To Dave Ricker,

I am in the process of completing molds to produce tips for the
elevator and rudder on the elite and 2500. It looks like I am 6 to 7
months away from completing them. Need losts of trial fits to produce
proper fit.
Cost is undetermined at this time.
Note me back in a few months and I can give you an update.
thanks for your interest.


--- David Ricker <ricker@dbis.ns.ca> wrote:

Dave

I believe I read that you do elevator tips for the
Elite, is that correct?
Photos, price?

Thanks

Dave R.
Elite #583

David Fife wrote:

Hi Eric,

Unfortunately the Hoerner tips will not fit the

Elite or 2500. They are

exclusive to the Rebel. Sorry I can't help you on

that.

I may attempt to design a set in the next year if

the demand is big

enough.
Thanks for your interest.

--- Eric Fogelin <ericfo@whidbey.com> wrote:

Hi David:

Are the Hoerner wing tips Rebel specific or

would

they also fit
the Elite? I'm finishing up my tail and will be
moving on to the
wings this summer. Are there specific things to

do

during building
for your tips or can they be interchanged with

the

Murphy tips
later?

Thanks.

Eric Fogelin
Elite #645E

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From: David

Fife[SMTP:aircrafttips@yahoo.com]

Reply To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 9:23 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Keep building guys

Hi Brian,

I have been reading a lot from all the builders
recently. Sounds like
everybody is progressing nicely. I would like

to

add that to those who
are looking for a little more speed out of the
Rebel, I am producing
Hoerner wing tips. I have had good results with

the

prototype part and
have several orders from builders. Please check

out

the photos in Wray
Thompsons webb page. I am beginning production

and

soon will be
delivering parts to those who have ordered.
Should anyone be wanting to gain 2 MPH in

cruise,

lower the stall 2 MPH
and shorten the ground roll, give me a note

back.

Cost? Well, it all
comes done to cost. 520.00 U.S. plus shipping.
AS most of you know, I am not currently a

builder,

but, some day I hope
to be.
Keep em flying and enjoy the sky's.

===
Sincerely,

David K. Fife
3D Composite Aircraft Parts Inc.
1345 Merkle St.
Ortonville, MI. 48462
Phone 248-627-4367

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David K. Fife
3D Composite Aircraft Parts Inc.
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How come these tips don't fit the Elite....the wing is identical but for
an 0.032 leading edge. Just curious.
Brian
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Brian,
As the wings have the same cord, they do not share the same control
surfaces.(Ailerons) The ailerons extend past the main wing on the 2500
and Elite, however on the Rebel they end at the wing. The 2500 and
Elite also have counter weights attached to the end of the aileron.
As I stated, I do believe that a Hoerner tip can be made to fit this
plane but it will take a year of so to complete a mold and do the
testing.
Let me know what you think.

--- brian godden <godden@club-internet.fr> wrote:

How come these tips don't fit the Elite....the wing
is identical but for
an 0.032 leading edge. Just curious.
Brian
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Got my tips for Dave Fife a couple of days ago and put them on the
airplane today. Took about 4 hours. I spent 40 hours in just prep on
each tip on the old ones to make them fit. Will be painted on Tuesday
and on the plane for good on Thursday. I'll let everyone know how they
fly. They sure are beautiful and a great improvement over the old
ones. Really nice. Dave did them in Kevlar for me and they weigh in at
about 6# apiece. My old ones are well over 10 each with all the bondo I
needed to make them work.
--
Dave Bangle http://www.subielyc.com/

While surveying the installation of the wingtips, a few questions arose, that the manual doesn't seem to address;

Do we make a cutout in the tip, ABOVE the spade, as below it? Looks like a big hole on top, to me. Maybe the range of motion is such that the spade cannot go that high, and stays within the confines of the tip. I dunno.

If not, shouldn't this unsupported fiberglass, above the spade, be reinforced? Seems pretty floppy, to me. If so, with what?

If the wingtips are riveted on, it seems that a nice inspection panel is in order. I'm gonna mount strobe power supplies out there. Sure would be nice to be able to access them. Comments?

Bill Delcambre
172SR fast build

Hi Bill, we just got started on our fast build. I am assuming since you are on the wing tip you have the wings closed up?? I finished up the ailerons yesterday and one flap today (except for the missing center hinge doublers and MAM appears to be closed today). Should finish the other tomorrow and then on to the wings.

Any surprises on closing up the wings? If not I'll be on the wing tip by the end of the week. I was thinking of maybe going with nut plates for the wing tips but haven't looked to see if that will work out yet or not. Sorry I am only asking and not answering any questions...

Scott
174SR fast build.

Hello, Scott

Only real surprise, so far, is how quickly this stuff goes together. Pretty much like the previous parts; drill out, disassemble, clean up, inspect, reassemble, rivet... I checked the torque of all of the strut fitting bolts, and wouldn't you know it, every one was dead on right. These guys have done a great job, with the quick build. That manual, however... But that horse has been beaten, before, and will get more in the future.

When you get to the wing tips, let me know what you think. R.J. sent me a photo of the factory tip. It seems that the area OVER the spade is not cut out. It also seems that there is a doubler of some sort, over the spade. With about 12" of unsupported fiberglass, on the upper surface of an airfoil, there better be a doubler. I can imagine how to do this, but don't want to reinvent wheels, here. I spent five years, building a Glasair, start building this aluminum plane, and what do I get stuck on? Fiberglass wingtips. C'est la vie!

There doesn't seem to be very much excess length, for the overlap at the wing joint. When you cut off the molding flange, you're just about at the length you need. The nutplates would have to snuggle right into the rib flanges. You might have some trouble getting the nutplates to work. Sounds like a great idea, though, if you can pull it off.

Bill Delcambre
172SR fast build

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Hi Bill, we just got started on our fast build. I am assuming since you are on the wing tip you have the wings closed up?? I finished up the ailerons yesterday and one flap today (except for the missing center hinge doublers and MAM appears to be closed today). Should finish the other tomorrow and then on to the wings.

Any surprises on closing up the wings? If not I'll be on the wing tip by the end of the week. I was thinking of maybe going with nut plates for the wing tips but haven't looked to see if that will work out yet or not. Sorry I am only asking and not answering any questions...

Scott
174SR fast build.

Thanks for the note Bill. I'll let you know when I get to the tips. I have the next 4 days straight to work on it so hope to get the wings done. I agree about the great job with the fast build. Only thing that slows you down is flipping through the old manual to make sure all the steps are done.

Scott Aldrich
174SR

Good discussions in the archives on this. By far the quickest easiest
method is clipnuts like Wayne uses instead of nutplates for the wing
tips.
Ken




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Bill,
The spade opening is only on the bottom.
I made large access holes that the strobe power supplies fit through also put connectors on the wires so it comes apart easily.
I riveted the wing tips on but made sure that I could access the wing for inspection and corrosion proofing or what ever through the same access holes.
Al

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Subject: Wing tips


While surveying the installation of the wingtips, a few questions arose, that the manual doesn't seem to address;

Do we make a cutout in the tip, ABOVE the spade, as below it? Looks like a big hole on top, to me. Maybe the range of motion is such that the spade cannot go that high, and stays within the confines of the tip. I dunno.

If not, shouldn't this unsupported fiberglass, above the spade, be reinforced? Seems pretty floppy, to me. If so, with what?

If the wingtips are riveted on, it seems that a nice inspection panel is in order. I'm gonna mount strobe power supplies out there. Sure would be nice to be able to access them. Comments?

Bill Delcambre
172SR fast build

Thought I'd pass this on to the group since I didn't know if Dave's tips would
work on an Elite or not.

Mike

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mike

would the fife hoerner wing tips be a good add on for an elite I am just
getting started on mine , so it would be very easy, anybody know

gilles st pierre
717 e elite
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Yes, Dave's wing tips will fit the Elite just fine. If you are ordering your
kit now, tell MAM do delete the wing and elevator tips for a credit and order
Dave's. Right Bobp?

Bruce



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