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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:57 pm**

James,
I have 1/4" OD no problems. I have used 1/4" for both the MAM brakes
furnished with the kit and the Cleveland brakes that are on the amphibs.
Al
Moose, N526AP
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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:08 PM
Subject: Brake lines

Is 3/16th OD steel tubing large enough for brake lines or should I use
1/4 inch lines.
James
164 SR 3500

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:57 pm**

Is 3/16th OD steel tubing large enough for brake lines or should I use
1/4 inch lines.
James
164 SR 3500

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

hi all

if using the stock murphy white brake fluid reservoir, how is everyone then
connecting this to the rest of the system, what type of tubing is used as
the small white nyloflo wont connect to main reservoir, assume some sort of
brass fitting is needed to change tubing ??

perhaps if i can get all this info can post a drawing of typical brake
system with parts lists

mike#007

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

Mike,
I used the Parker tubing that MAM furnished for internal lines but anything
subject to sun (UV) or abuse I used aluminum or stainless. I tossed that
white reservoir after fixing leaks for the second time around the fitting.
IMHO I would not waste any time messing with it. Matco has an inexpensive
that works fine or check out any Piper they use a 1/2 pint can with a screw
top.
Al
Moose, N526AP
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Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:35 AM
Subject: brake lines

hi all

if using the stock murphy white brake fluid reservoir, how is everyone
then
connecting this to the rest of the system, what type of tubing is used as
the small white nyloflo wont connect to main reservoir, assume some sort
of
brass fitting is needed to change tubing ??

perhaps if i can get all this info can post a drawing of typical brake
system with parts lists

mike#007

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

There was some black rubber hose provided (5/16" id fuel hose I believe)
and some 45 degree brass fittings for the top of the master cylinders.
The brass fittings for the wheel cylinders are common 1/8 npt thread and
mine went in at least three turns - enough that I thought it was a
normal fit. I used teflon paste on the threads, not teflon tape, and I
used upgraded JDM wheel cylinders and wheels.

I think there was a sketch of the brake connections with the brake kit
but I'm not certain.

Ken
119R

Jones, Michael wrote:

hi all

if using the stock murphy white brake fluid reservoir, how is everyone then
connecting this to the rest of the system, what type of tubing is used as
the small white nyloflo wont connect to main reservoir, assume some sort of
brass fitting is needed to change tubing ??

perhaps if i can get all this info can post a drawing of typical brake
system with parts lists

mike#007

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

ken

i have some black hose with my kit, did not know if it fuel or brake hose,
also have the brass fitting, lots and lots of those with the kit, can you
read spec from the hose you used so i can confirm i have right stuff, mine
is pretty big size to fit those brass fittings, also what is spec of outside
akuminum tubing to use ?? size, etc

mike

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:48 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: brake lines

There was some black rubber hose provided (5/16" id fuel hose I believe)
and some 45 degree brass fittings for the top of the master cylinders.
The brass fittings for the wheel cylinders are common 1/8 npt thread and
mine went in at least three turns - enough that I thought it was a
normal fit. I used teflon paste on the threads, not teflon tape, and I
used upgraded JDM wheel cylinders and wheels.

I think there was a sketch of the brake connections with the brake kit
but I'm not certain.

Ken
119R

Jones, Michael wrote:

hi all

if using the stock murphy white brake fluid reservoir, how is everyone then
connecting this to the rest of the system, what type of tubing is used as
the small white nyloflo wont connect to main reservoir, assume some sort of
brass fitting is needed to change tubing ??

perhaps if i can get all this info can post a drawing of typical brake
system with parts lists

mike#007

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

I'd just use whatever came with the kit. Mine says SAE 30R7 fuel line
and is 5/16" inside dia. but I'm not positive that actually came with my
kit. I would not use this for hot transmission fluid but I think it is
acceptable for cool automatic transmission fluid which I consider less
aggressive than fuel. If you wanted it, 5/16" transmission hose is
available from an auto parts suppliers or even from crappy tire and it
will be labelled as "transmission" hose. At least $4. per foot.
If I used aluminum tubing I'd probably look for 1/4" x 0.035" wall
thickness in 5052 material. Between the gear movement and also the
caliper movement I just used the parkerflex for now which I know can
take the movement. If I upgraded I'd probably look at armoured 3/16
teflon brake hose from Pegasus Racing or Summit Racing in one piece all
the way from the master cylinder to the brake caliper but that has
connector issues as well.
Ken.

Jones, Michael wrote:

ken

i have some black hose with my kit, did not know if it fuel or brake hose,
also have the brass fitting, lots and lots of those with the kit, can you
read spec from the hose you used so i can confirm i have right stuff, mine
is pretty big size to fit those brass fittings, also what is spec of outside
akuminum tubing to use ?? size, etc

mike

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:48 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: brake lines

There was some black rubber hose provided (5/16" id fuel hose I believe)
and some 45 degree brass fittings for the top of the master cylinders.
The brass fittings for the wheel cylinders are common 1/8 npt thread and
mine went in at least three turns - enough that I thought it was a
normal fit. I used teflon paste on the threads, not teflon tape, and I
used upgraded JDM wheel cylinders and wheels.

I think there was a sketch of the brake connections with the brake kit
but I'm not certain.

Ken
119R

Jones, Michael wrote:

hi all

if using the stock murphy white brake fluid reservoir, how is everyone then
connecting this to the rest of the system, what type of tubing is used as
the small white nyloflo wont connect to main reservoir, assume some sort of
brass fitting is needed to change tubing ??

perhaps if i can get all this info can post a drawing of typical brake
system with parts lists

mike#007

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

is there any problem using steel brake lines from auto jobber, since easy to
get and cheap, perhaps rust ?? but i can clear coat to protect them outside

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:59 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: brake lines

I'd just use whatever came with the kit. Mine says SAE 30R7 fuel line
and is 5/16" inside dia. but I'm not positive that actually came with my
kit. I would not use this for hot transmission fluid but I think it is
acceptable for cool automatic transmission fluid which I consider less
aggressive than fuel. If you wanted it, 5/16" transmission hose is
available from an auto parts suppliers or even from crappy tire and it
will be labelled as "transmission" hose. At least $4. per foot.
If I used aluminum tubing I'd probably look for 1/4" x 0.035" wall
thickness in 5052 material. Between the gear movement and also the
caliper movement I just used the parkerflex for now which I know can
take the movement. If I upgraded I'd probably look at armoured 3/16
teflon brake hose from Pegasus Racing or Summit Racing in one piece all
the way from the master cylinder to the brake caliper but that has
connector issues as well.
Ken.

Jones, Michael wrote:

ken

i have some black hose with my kit, did not know if it fuel or brake hose,
also have the brass fitting, lots and lots of those with the kit, can you
read spec from the hose you used so i can confirm i have right stuff, mine
is pretty big size to fit those brass fittings, also what is spec of

outside

akuminum tubing to use ?? size, etc

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:48 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: brake lines

There was some black rubber hose provided (5/16" id fuel hose I believe)
and some 45 degree brass fittings for the top of the master cylinders.
The brass fittings for the wheel cylinders are common 1/8 npt thread and
mine went in at least three turns - enough that I thought it was a
normal fit. I used teflon paste on the threads, not teflon tape, and I
used upgraded JDM wheel cylinders and wheels.

I think there was a sketch of the brake connections with the brake kit
but I'm not certain.

Ken
119R

Jones, Michael wrote:

hi all

if using the stock murphy white brake fluid reservoir, how is everyone

then

connecting this to the rest of the system, what type of tubing is used as
the small white nyloflo wont connect to main reservoir, assume some sort

of

brass fitting is needed to change tubing ??

perhaps if i can get all this info can post a drawing of typical brake
system with parts lists

mike#007

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

Hi Michael

I guess you could, but they would be extra weight, your 37 degree flanger
may not be up to dealing with steel, and you may induce corrosion problems
where the steel touches the ali structure.

I'd stick with ali lines .

Nigel
745E

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jones, Michael
Sent: 29 March 2005 15:21
To: 'rebel-builders@dcsol.com'
Subject: RE: brake lines

is there any problem using steel brake lines from auto jobber, since easy to
get and cheap, perhaps rust ?? but i can clear coat to protect them outside

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:59 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: brake lines

I'd just use whatever came with the kit. Mine says SAE 30R7 fuel line
and is 5/16" inside dia. but I'm not positive that actually came with my
kit. I would not use this for hot transmission fluid but I think it is
acceptable for cool automatic transmission fluid which I consider less
aggressive than fuel. If you wanted it, 5/16" transmission hose is
available from an auto parts suppliers or even from crappy tire and it
will be labelled as "transmission" hose. At least $4. per foot.
If I used aluminum tubing I'd probably look for 1/4" x 0.035" wall
thickness in 5052 material. Between the gear movement and also the
caliper movement I just used the parkerflex for now which I know can
take the movement. If I upgraded I'd probably look at armoured 3/16
teflon brake hose from Pegasus Racing or Summit Racing in one piece all
the way from the master cylinder to the brake caliper but that has
connector issues as well.
Ken.

Jones, Michael wrote:

ken

i have some black hose with my kit, did not know if it fuel or brake hose,
also have the brass fitting, lots and lots of those with the kit, can you
read spec from the hose you used so i can confirm i have right stuff, mine
is pretty big size to fit those brass fittings, also what is spec of

outside

akuminum tubing to use ?? size, etc

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:48 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: brake lines

There was some black rubber hose provided (5/16" id fuel hose I believe)
and some 45 degree brass fittings for the top of the master cylinders.
The brass fittings for the wheel cylinders are common 1/8 npt thread and
mine went in at least three turns - enough that I thought it was a
normal fit. I used teflon paste on the threads, not teflon tape, and I
used upgraded JDM wheel cylinders and wheels.

I think there was a sketch of the brake connections with the brake kit
but I'm not certain.

Ken
119R

Jones, Michael wrote:

hi all

if using the stock murphy white brake fluid reservoir, how is everyone

then

connecting this to the rest of the system, what type of tubing is used as
the small white nyloflo wont connect to main reservoir, assume some sort

of

brass fitting is needed to change tubing ??

perhaps if i can get all this info can post a drawing of typical brake
system with parts lists

mike#007

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

I think that to prevent hardening and cracking at the hinge points (rudder
pedals,gear attach and floating calipers) you would need to transition to
rubber flexline. that would make a heavy complicated instalation. I get to
see the plastic parkerflex lone in use in industry where it stands up very
well. If you're worried about UV degrading it just change it out every 5
years and a cost of less than $10. On the low pressure side just use rubber
hose and hose clamps.

At 09:20 AM 3/29/2005 -0500, you wrote:

is there any problem using steel brake lines from auto jobber, since easy to
get and cheap, perhaps rust ?? but i can clear coat to protect them outside

Drew

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

Well the fittings on the preformed lines won't fit the cylinders but
they will connect to automotive flex hoses. But automotive flex hoses
are intended for alcohol based fluid not petroleum based fluid so you'd
need aftermarket teflon flex hoses. If you cut off the steel fittings,
brass compression fittings should handle the pressure just fine though -
say for the steel to caliper connection. (I know some folks will wince
at that but I've seen it foolishly but successfully done on higher
pressure automotive brake lines.) Unlike aluminum, steel should last
indefinately for small movements as long as the metal is just spring
flexing and not actually bending. Then there is aviations bug-a boo -
dissimilar metal corrosion. Steel, then maybe a brass fitting, then
aluminum cylinders and it is the expensive aluminum parts that will
corrode first IIRC. However should work fine except for the gear leg to
fuselage flexing and the and the fuselage to pedal flexing. How many
joints do you want though?
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:

is there any problem using steel brake lines from auto jobber, since easy to
get and cheap, perhaps rust ?? but i can clear coat to protect them outside

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:59 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: brake lines

I'd just use whatever came with the kit. Mine says SAE 30R7 fuel line
and is 5/16" inside dia. but I'm not positive that actually came with my
kit. I would not use this for hot transmission fluid but I think it is
acceptable for cool automatic transmission fluid which I consider less
aggressive than fuel. If you wanted it, 5/16" transmission hose is
available from an auto parts suppliers or even from crappy tire and it
will be labelled as "transmission" hose. At least $4. per foot.
If I used aluminum tubing I'd probably look for 1/4" x 0.035" wall
thickness in 5052 material. Between the gear movement and also the
caliper movement I just used the parkerflex for now which I know can
take the movement. If I upgraded I'd probably look at armoured 3/16
teflon brake hose from Pegasus Racing or Summit Racing in one piece all
the way from the master cylinder to the brake caliper but that has
connector issues as well.
Ken.

Jones, Michael wrote:

ken

i have some black hose with my kit, did not know if it fuel or brake hose,
also have the brass fitting, lots and lots of those with the kit, can you
read spec from the hose you used so i can confirm i have right stuff, mine
is pretty big size to fit those brass fittings, also what is spec of

outside

akuminum tubing to use ?? size, etc

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:48 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: brake lines

There was some black rubber hose provided (5/16" id fuel hose I believe)
and some 45 degree brass fittings for the top of the master cylinders.
The brass fittings for the wheel cylinders are common 1/8 npt thread and
mine went in at least three turns - enough that I thought it was a
normal fit. I used teflon paste on the threads, not teflon tape, and I
used upgraded JDM wheel cylinders and wheels.

I think there was a sketch of the brake connections with the brake kit
but I'm not certain.

Ken
119R

Jones, Michael wrote:

hi all

if using the stock murphy white brake fluid reservoir, how is everyone

then

connecting this to the rest of the system, what type of tubing is used as
the small white nyloflo wont connect to main reservoir, assume some sort

of

brass fitting is needed to change tubing ??

perhaps if i can get all this info can post a drawing of typical brake
system with parts lists

mike#007

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

At 09:20 AM 3/29/2005 -0500, you wrote:

is there any problem using steel brake lines from auto jobber, since easy to
get and cheap, perhaps rust ?? but i can clear coat to protect them outside

And you can get the plastic line at any industrial supply house and most
auto jobbers
Drew

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

The plastic brake line can be easily covered from UV in exposed areas with
aluminum tape.

Bruce

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

Or slip some heat shrink tube over it in the area's exposed before
installing the fittings. Same goes for the hydraulics on the amphibs. Note:
My Rebel has been flying for 10 years now. Have never had as much as a
weaping brake line. 1/4" Parker parflex... pedal to wheel caliper...although
I am stored indoors...although don't think that really matters as my line
runs inside the gear covers so only part exposed is a very short section
right at the caliper.

Wayne

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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: brake lines

The plastic brake line can be easily covered from UV in exposed areas with
aluminum tape.

Bruce

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am**

where can i buy parker paraflex ??

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Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:03 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: brake lines

Or slip some heat shrink tube over it in the area's exposed before
installing the fittings. Same goes for the hydraulics on the amphibs. Note:
My Rebel has been flying for 10 years now. Have never had as much as a
weaping brake line. 1/4" Parker parflex... pedal to wheel caliper...although
I am stored indoors...although don't think that really matters as my line
runs inside the gear covers so only part exposed is a very short section
right at the caliper.

Wayne

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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: brake lines

The plastic brake line can be easily covered from UV in exposed areas with
aluminum tape.

Bruce

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