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Sent this out direct to the usual bunch, but here is a direct link to a 13
second video of how NOT to land an amphib. If you play it really slow by
dragging the bar you can see that in the end it really is the nose wheels
that do the nasty deed.

http://skywagons.airbase1.com/uploads/937-C206F.mpg

Watch it 5 or 6 times before each float flying season, and again half way
through, and you should have a good season of looking out the window and
verify gear position before landing!

Wayne




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At least the intrepid SOB is man enough to try to paddle it to shore afterwards....WOW.

Dave Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia Mk 1 C-FDWS
Fairchild 51, early construction


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: Expensive way to wash an airplane

Sent this out direct to the usual bunch, but here is a direct link to a 13
second video of how NOT to land an amphib. If you play it really slow by
dragging the bar you can see that in the end it really is the nose wheels
that do the nasty deed.

http://skywagons.airbase1.com/uploads/937-C206F.mpg

Watch it 5 or 6 times before each float flying season, and again half way
through, and you should have a good season of looking out the window and
verify gear position before landing!

Wayne




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-> At least the intrepid SOB is man enough to try to paddle it to shore
afterwards....WOW.

...and he didn't even try to save face by diving back under to retract the
gear. :) O course, no one would be fooled anyway.

On a more serious note, isn't this the #1 reason many don't fly amphibs,
i.e., the insurance is so darn hi because of gear related mishaps? I always
wonder if there is a compromise -- something like a narrow main gear and
something else near the front (skid, another narrow wheel?) such that the
thing could be an amphib with fixed gear. I've heard this has been tried
successfully but don't know the real deal.
-Ben


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Great video! What would have been even better, though, would have been a
video of the pilot's face when the mains went in. Right about that time
when you do the 'Oh shi_!'.... Must be a hell of a feeling.

Bill






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Aerocomp claims you "may" be able to land their amphibs with the wheels down
due to "conventional gear" configuration. They look a little goofy to me.
http://www.aerocompinc.com/index.html

Heck of a short water technique, at least once.

Scott

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-> At least the intrepid SOB is man enough to try to paddle it to shore
afterwards....WOW.

...and he didn't even try to save face by diving back under to retract the
gear. :) O course, no one would be fooled anyway.

On a more serious note, isn't this the #1 reason many don't fly amphibs,
i.e., the insurance is so darn hi because of gear related mishaps? I always
wonder if there is a compromise -- something like a narrow main gear and
something else near the front (skid, another narrow wheel?) such that the
thing could be an amphib with fixed gear. I've heard this has been tried
successfully but don't know the real deal.
-Ben


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-> At least the intrepid SOB is man enough to try to paddle it to shore
afterwards....WOW.

...and he didn't even try to save face by diving back under to retract the
gear. :) O course, no one would be fooled anyway.

On a more serious note, isn't this the #1 reason many don't fly amphibs,
i.e., the insurance is so darn hi because of gear related mishaps? I

always

wonder if there is a compromise -- something like a narrow main gear and
something else near the front (skid, another narrow wheel?) such that the
thing could be an amphib with fixed gear. I've heard this has been tried
successfully but don't know the real deal.
-Ben

Thanks for the reminder Wayne isn't it always the way that you mess up the
worst in front of the largest crowd. Where and when did this happen anyway?

Ben Chris Heintz said they landed a CH701 with the wheels down and it
didn't go over. It uses the same nosewheel on an extendable air cylinder. He
also said it was a very short landing :)



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Sent this out direct to the usual bunch, but here is a direct link to a 13
second video of how NOT to land an amphib. If you play it really slow by
dragging the bar you can see that in the end it really is the nose wheels
that do the nasty deed.

http://skywagons.airbase1.com/uploads/937-C206F.mpg

Watch it 5 or 6 times before each float flying season, and again half way
through, and you should have a good season of looking out the window and
verify gear position before landing!

Wayne



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A lot comes into play based on landing speed. Yes a CH701 can be landed with
the gear down, your head hits the dash if your harness is too loose, but it
can be done. I have first hand evidence of it!

Also have witnessed the original North Star prototype (Super Cub Clone)
landed with the gear down and it was close, but it didn't have enough
speed/momentum to flip over since Bruce had her slowed down to about 35MPH
at landing.

As Warren says the mains in the video do indeed throw the airplane forward
as they skim the water helping MUCH with the dig in and flip. That is one of
the nice things about the MAM floats with the gear only coming out 3". I
know if the nose wheels are up and the main gear has dropped down (after a
hydraulic failure) the Rebel will not flip over if you slow here down as
much as you can before landing, this is also not theory!


Wayne

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From: "drew" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: Expensive way to wash an airplane

-> At least the intrepid SOB is man enough to try to paddle it to shore
afterwards....WOW.

...and he didn't even try to save face by diving back under to retract

the

gear. :) O course, no one would be fooled anyway.

On a more serious note, isn't this the #1 reason many don't fly amphibs,
i.e., the insurance is so darn hi because of gear related mishaps? I

always

wonder if there is a compromise -- something like a narrow main gear and
something else near the front (skid, another narrow wheel?) such that

the

thing could be an amphib with fixed gear. I've heard this has been

tried

successfully but don't know the real deal.
-Ben

Thanks for the reminder Wayne isn't it always the way that you mess up the
worst in front of the largest crowd. Where and when did this happen

anyway?

Ben Chris Heintz said they landed a CH701 with the wheels down and it
didn't go over. It uses the same nosewheel on an extendable air cylinder.

He

also said it was a very short landing :)

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