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The Saga Continues - Primer

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by Walter Klatt
Well, I checked out my carb and didn't find any
problems. Put it all back together and did some ground
run-ups, and everything worked good again.

I then took my primer off to have a look. The two O
rings on the plunger seemed fine. When I looked into
the tube, though, I saw some crap at the back bottom,
what almost looked like the remnants of a gasket. So my
first question to ask, is there supposed to be a gasket
at the back that the plunger backs onto to seal the
end? I cleaned it out, but couldn't tell if it was just
plain dirt or not. Or maybe this was just a collection
point for dirt, that would then work itself into the
little hole where the male ball end goes into and not
sealing like it is supposed to, and thus allowing fuel
to get sucked by into the cylinders.

The primer brand is Essex Engine Primer.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Walter Klatt
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:04 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues


Thanks to everyone again for all your advice. I still
have a few things to check and will be working on it
again tonight. I've got my carb off now, so
will have a
good look at the float and valve there, even though I
really don't expect a problem with it. My best guess
currently is the primer as Wayne describes, primarily
because it matched the symptoms when I applied primer
in flight. However, I don't like changing too many
things at once without testing it, so may not get to
the primer right away.

Wayne, below you asked what altitude. It has now
happened at any altitude from just above sea level to
5000.

I will let you guys know what I find next. Thanks.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:26 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: The Saga Continues


Walter start with the easy one, since you
are running rubber eating car gas,
and pull your primer assembly apart and
check the O-rings, or at least
borrow a vacuum pump ($60 item at CTC) from
a car mechanic and start sucking
on the outlet line to see if this is a
possiblity before disassembling.
Something has changed quickly on you and I
suspect your primer inards may be
kaput.


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The Saga Continues - Primer

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by ray.mason
Hi Walter

Why don't you just swap the whole engine for the one in your car!!!:)

Ray

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-> Thanks, Wayne. Had a look at another one tonight, too.
-> I took the primer apart, little balls, springs, and
-> all, and cleaned it with gas and air. It definitely had
-> a bunch of dirt in it, so I hope this was my problem.
-> Got everything back together and will try for a test
-> flight tomorrow night.
->
-> It seems that the fuel that goes into the primer from
-> my gascolator is not filtered, so that would explain
-> where the dirt came from. Not sure if all gascolators
-> work that way, but I got mine from MAM. I think it is
-> the same as sold by ACS.
->
-> Walter
->
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> > Wayne G. O'Shea
-> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:48 PM
-> > To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: Re: The Saga Continues - Primer
-> >
-> >
-> > Walter, just took a brand new Essex apart.
-> > Two O-rings on the plunger OD and
-> > a stem sticking out the bottom of the
-> > plunger with a ball bearing staked
-> > into the end of it. The stuff you have found
-> > is garbage from the fuel system
-> > (assuming it was a new primer when you
-> > installed) and may have been enough
-> > to keep that staked in ball from seating in
-> > the bottom. When you get it back
-> > together try sucking on the outlet with your
-> > mouth. It should flow air when
-> > the plunger is extended, but as soon as you
-> > get it into the retainer slot it
-> > should not. IF you can draw air through it
-> > when the plunger is in then it's
-> > worn at the seat and may or may not be salvagable.
-> >
-> > Wayne
-> >
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
-> > To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:50 AM
-> > Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer
-> >
-> >
-> > > Well, I checked out my carb and didn't find any
-> > > problems. Put it all back together and did
-> > some ground
-> > > run-ups, and everything worked good again.
-> > >
-> > > I then took my primer off to have a look. The two O
-> > > rings on the plunger seemed fine. When I
-> > looked into
-> > > the tube, though, I saw some crap at the
-> > back bottom,
-> > > what almost looked like the remnants of a
-> > gasket. So my
-> > > first question to ask, is there supposed
-> > to be a gasket
-> > > at the back that the plunger backs onto to seal the
-> > > end? I cleaned it out, but couldn't tell
-> > if it was just
-> > > plain dirt or not. Or maybe this was just
-> > a collection
-> > > point for dirt, that would then work
-> > itself into the
-> > > little hole where the male ball end goes
-> > into and not
-> > > sealing like it is supposed to, and thus
-> > allowing fuel
-> > > to get sucked by into the cylinders.
-> > >
-> > > The primer brand is Essex Engine Primer.
-> > >
-> > > Walter
-> > >
-> > > > -----Original Message-----
-> > > > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > > > [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> > > > Walter Klatt
-> > > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:04 PM
-> > > > To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
-> > > > Subject: RE: The Saga Continues
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > > Thanks to everyone again for all your
-> > advice. I still
-> > > > have a few things to check and will be
-> > working on it
-> > > > again tonight. I've got my carb off now, so
-> > > > will have a
-> > > > good look at the float and valve there,
-> > even though I
-> > > > really don't expect a problem with it.
-> > My best guess
-> > > > currently is the primer as Wayne
-> > describes, primarily
-> > > > because it matched the symptoms when I
-> > applied primer
-> > > > in flight. However, I don't like
-> > changing too many
-> > > > things at once without testing it, so
-> > may not get to
-> > > > the primer right away.
-> > > >
-> > > > Wayne, below you asked what altitude. It has now
-> > > > happened at any altitude from just above
-> > sea level to
-> > > > 5000.
-> > > >
-> > > > I will let you guys know what I find
-> > next. Thanks.
-> > > >
-> > > > Walter
-> > > >
-> > > > > -----Original Message-----
-> > > > > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > > > > [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> > > > > Wayne G. O'Shea
-> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:26 AM
-> > > > > To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
-> > > > > Subject: Re: The Saga Continues
-> > > > >
-> > > > >
-> > > > > Walter start with the easy one, since you
-> > > > > are running rubber eating car gas,
-> > > > > and pull your primer assembly apart and
-> > > > > check the O-rings, or at least
-> > > > > borrow a vacuum pump ($60 item at CTC) from
-> > > > > a car mechanic and start sucking
-> > > > > on the outlet line to see if this is a
-> > > > > possiblity before disassembling.
-> > > > > Something has changed quickly on you and I
-> > > > > suspect your primer inards may be
-> > > > > kaput.
-> > > > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
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The Saga Continues - Primer

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by Walter Klatt
Thanks, Wayne. Had a look at another one tonight, too.
I took the primer apart, little balls, springs, and
all, and cleaned it with gas and air. It definitely had
a bunch of dirt in it, so I hope this was my problem.
Got everything back together and will try for a test
flight tomorrow night.

It seems that the fuel that goes into the primer from
my gascolator is not filtered, so that would explain
where the dirt came from. Not sure if all gascolators
work that way, but I got mine from MAM. I think it is
the same as sold by ACS.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:48 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: The Saga Continues - Primer


Walter, just took a brand new Essex apart.
Two O-rings on the plunger OD and
a stem sticking out the bottom of the
plunger with a ball bearing staked
into the end of it. The stuff you have found
is garbage from the fuel system
(assuming it was a new primer when you
installed) and may have been enough
to keep that staked in ball from seating in
the bottom. When you get it back
together try sucking on the outlet with your
mouth. It should flow air when
the plunger is extended, but as soon as you
get it into the retainer slot it
should not. IF you can draw air through it
when the plunger is in then it's
worn at the seat and may or may not be salvagable.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

Well, I checked out my carb and didn't find any
problems. Put it all back together and did
some ground
run-ups, and everything worked good again.

I then took my primer off to have a look. The two O
rings on the plunger seemed fine. When I
looked into
the tube, though, I saw some crap at the
back bottom,
what almost looked like the remnants of a
gasket. So my
first question to ask, is there supposed
to be a gasket
at the back that the plunger backs onto to seal the
end? I cleaned it out, but couldn't tell
if it was just
plain dirt or not. Or maybe this was just
a collection
point for dirt, that would then work
itself into the
little hole where the male ball end goes
into and not
sealing like it is supposed to, and thus
allowing fuel
to get sucked by into the cylinders.

The primer brand is Essex Engine Primer.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Walter Klatt
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:04 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues


Thanks to everyone again for all your
advice. I still
have a few things to check and will be
working on it
again tonight. I've got my carb off now, so
will have a
good look at the float and valve there,
even though I
really don't expect a problem with it.
My best guess
currently is the primer as Wayne
describes, primarily
because it matched the symptoms when I
applied primer
in flight. However, I don't like
changing too many
things at once without testing it, so
may not get to
the primer right away.

Wayne, below you asked what altitude. It has now
happened at any altitude from just above
sea level to
5000.

I will let you guys know what I find
next. Thanks.
Walter


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The Saga Continues - Primer

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Walter, just took a brand new Essex apart. Two O-rings on the plunger OD and
a stem sticking out the bottom of the plunger with a ball bearing staked
into the end of it. The stuff you have found is garbage from the fuel system
(assuming it was a new primer when you installed) and may have been enough
to keep that staked in ball from seating in the bottom. When you get it back
together try sucking on the outlet with your mouth. It should flow air when
the plunger is extended, but as soon as you get it into the retainer slot it
should not. IF you can draw air through it when the plunger is in then it's
worn at the seat and may or may not be salvagable.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

Well, I checked out my carb and didn't find any
problems. Put it all back together and did some ground
run-ups, and everything worked good again.

I then took my primer off to have a look. The two O
rings on the plunger seemed fine. When I looked into
the tube, though, I saw some crap at the back bottom,
what almost looked like the remnants of a gasket. So my
first question to ask, is there supposed to be a gasket
at the back that the plunger backs onto to seal the
end? I cleaned it out, but couldn't tell if it was just
plain dirt or not. Or maybe this was just a collection
point for dirt, that would then work itself into the
little hole where the male ball end goes into and not
sealing like it is supposed to, and thus allowing fuel
to get sucked by into the cylinders.

The primer brand is Essex Engine Primer.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Walter Klatt
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:04 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues


Thanks to everyone again for all your advice. I still
have a few things to check and will be working on it
again tonight. I've got my carb off now, so
will have a
good look at the float and valve there, even though I
really don't expect a problem with it. My best guess
currently is the primer as Wayne describes, primarily
because it matched the symptoms when I applied primer
in flight. However, I don't like changing too many
things at once without testing it, so may not get to
the primer right away.

Wayne, below you asked what altitude. It has now
happened at any altitude from just above sea level to
5000.

I will let you guys know what I find next. Thanks.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:26 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: The Saga Continues


Walter start with the easy one, since you
are running rubber eating car gas,
and pull your primer assembly apart and
check the O-rings, or at least
borrow a vacuum pump ($60 item at CTC) from
a car mechanic and start sucking
on the outlet line to see if this is a
possiblity before disassembling.
Something has changed quickly on you and I
suspect your primer inards may be
kaput.


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The Saga Continues - Primer

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by Mike Davis
I think if this fixes your problem I'd be adding a fuel filter inline to the
primer to keep it from happening again!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

Thanks, Wayne. Had a look at another one tonight, too.
I took the primer apart, little balls, springs, and
all, and cleaned it with gas and air. It definitely had
a bunch of dirt in it, so I hope this was my problem.
Got everything back together and will try for a test
flight tomorrow night.

It seems that the fuel that goes into the primer from
my gascolator is not filtered, so that would explain
where the dirt came from. Not sure if all gascolators
work that way, but I got mine from MAM. I think it is
the same as sold by ACS.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:48 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: The Saga Continues - Primer


Walter, just took a brand new Essex apart.
Two O-rings on the plunger OD and
a stem sticking out the bottom of the
plunger with a ball bearing staked
into the end of it. The stuff you have found
is garbage from the fuel system
(assuming it was a new primer when you
installed) and may have been enough
to keep that staked in ball from seating in
the bottom. When you get it back
together try sucking on the outlet with your
mouth. It should flow air when
the plunger is extended, but as soon as you
get it into the retainer slot it
should not. IF you can draw air through it
when the plunger is in then it's
worn at the seat and may or may not be salvagable.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

Well, I checked out my carb and didn't find any
problems. Put it all back together and did
some ground
run-ups, and everything worked good again.

I then took my primer off to have a look. The two O
rings on the plunger seemed fine. When I
looked into
the tube, though, I saw some crap at the
back bottom,
what almost looked like the remnants of a
gasket. So my
first question to ask, is there supposed
to be a gasket
at the back that the plunger backs onto to seal the
end? I cleaned it out, but couldn't tell
if it was just
plain dirt or not. Or maybe this was just
a collection
point for dirt, that would then work
itself into the
little hole where the male ball end goes
into and not
sealing like it is supposed to, and thus
allowing fuel
to get sucked by into the cylinders.

The primer brand is Essex Engine Primer.

Walter
advice. I still
working on it
even though I
My best guess
describes, primarily
applied primer
changing too many
may not get to
sea level to
next. Thanks.


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The Saga Continues - Primer

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by Walter Klatt
Yup, that's what I'm thinking or as Wayne suggested, a
tee off the gascolator outlet. Sure hope this was the
problem. I am planning to fly it again tonight, and
will be one surprised puppy if it still isn't working.

Anyone know of a very small clear style inline filter
that might be suitable? Might be easier than adding a
tee in my case, because I already have my fuel sensor
hanging on that end.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:44 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: The Saga Continues - Primer


I think if this fixes your problem I'd be
adding a fuel filter inline to the
primer to keep it from happening again!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

Thanks, Wayne. Had a look at another one
tonight, too.
I took the primer apart, little balls, springs, and
all, and cleaned it with gas and air. It
definitely had
a bunch of dirt in it, so I hope this was
my problem.
Got everything back together and will try
for a test
flight tomorrow night.

It seems that the fuel that goes into the
primer from
my gascolator is not filtered, so that
would explain
where the dirt came from. Not sure if all
gascolators
work that way, but I got mine from MAM. I
think it is
the same as sold by ACS.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:48 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: The Saga Continues - Primer


Walter, just took a brand new Essex apart.
Two O-rings on the plunger OD and
a stem sticking out the bottom of the
plunger with a ball bearing staked
into the end of it. The stuff you have found
is garbage from the fuel system
(assuming it was a new primer when you
installed) and may have been enough
to keep that staked in ball from seating in
the bottom. When you get it back
together try sucking on the outlet with your
mouth. It should flow air when
the plunger is extended, but as soon as you
get it into the retainer slot it
should not. IF you can draw air through it
when the plunger is in then it's
worn at the seat and may or may not be
salvagable.
Wayne

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

some ground
look. The two O
looked into back bottom, gasket. So my to be a gasket
onto to seal the
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The Saga Continues - Primer

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by Walter Klatt
Hi, Ray. Yes, I might have to consider that if this
saga continues. How is your Sub working now? Has Jim
turned test pilot? Are you on the water yet?

Regarding that Rebel crash into the Shuswap last week,
I talked to a Transport Canada guy a couple of days ago
about it. He didn't have the details, but said it was a
bad landing resulting in a 30 foot bounce and stall.
Supposedly someone video taped it, sure would like to
see that one. Don't know who it was, or any plane
details. but obviously a tough lesson for somebody.

Walter
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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:25 PM
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Hi Walter

Why don't you just swap the whole engine for
the one in your car!!!:)

Ray

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The Saga Continues - Primer

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by Mike Davis
There are several small clear filters made for model aircraft use that would
probably be just about right for a primer line. Don't know if you have a
hobby shop close buy, but I'm sure there's got to be a decent sized one
somewhere in Vancouver. If not here is a link to one that should work for
what you need...

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXFU76&P=7

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:53 AM
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

Yup, that's what I'm thinking or as Wayne suggested, a
tee off the gascolator outlet. Sure hope this was the
problem. I am planning to fly it again tonight, and
will be one surprised puppy if it still isn't working.

Anyone know of a very small clear style inline filter
that might be suitable? Might be easier than adding a
tee in my case, because I already have my fuel sensor
hanging on that end.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:44 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: The Saga Continues - Primer


I think if this fixes your problem I'd be
adding a fuel filter inline to the
primer to keep it from happening again!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

Thanks, Wayne. Had a look at another one
tonight, too.
I took the primer apart, little balls, springs, and
all, and cleaned it with gas and air. It
definitely had
a bunch of dirt in it, so I hope this was
my problem.
Got everything back together and will try
for a test
flight tomorrow night.

It seems that the fuel that goes into the
primer from
my gascolator is not filtered, so that
would explain
where the dirt came from. Not sure if all
gascolators
work that way, but I got mine from MAM. I
think it is
the same as sold by ACS.

Walter
salvagable.
look. The two O
onto to seal the
altitude. It has now
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The Saga Continues - Primer

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Yes Walter, this is a design fault of most of the new gascolotors. It is
easiest for them to tap a hole into the inlet line that goes to the center
of the head (to allow fuel directly into the bowl), rather than tapping the
outlet after the screen. I guess if you (and I) have one like this then
maybe a tee on the outlet to pick off primer fuel would be an idea (and plug
the hole in the top). I'll look at the Andair I have in the shop that
Jeffrey brought me during his visit and see if it is the same or picks up
off the screened side.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:46 AM
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

Thanks, Wayne. Had a look at another one tonight, too.
I took the primer apart, little balls, springs, and
all, and cleaned it with gas and air. It definitely had
a bunch of dirt in it, so I hope this was my problem.
Got everything back together and will try for a test
flight tomorrow night.

It seems that the fuel that goes into the primer from
my gascolator is not filtered, so that would explain
where the dirt came from. Not sure if all gascolators
work that way, but I got mine from MAM. I think it is
the same as sold by ACS.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:48 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: The Saga Continues - Primer


Walter, just took a brand new Essex apart.
Two O-rings on the plunger OD and
a stem sticking out the bottom of the
plunger with a ball bearing staked
into the end of it. The stuff you have found
is garbage from the fuel system
(assuming it was a new primer when you
installed) and may have been enough
to keep that staked in ball from seating in
the bottom. When you get it back
together try sucking on the outlet with your
mouth. It should flow air when
the plunger is extended, but as soon as you
get it into the retainer slot it
should not. IF you can draw air through it
when the plunger is in then it's
worn at the seat and may or may not be salvagable.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

Well, I checked out my carb and didn't find any
problems. Put it all back together and did
some ground
run-ups, and everything worked good again.

I then took my primer off to have a look. The two O
rings on the plunger seemed fine. When I
looked into
the tube, though, I saw some crap at the
back bottom,
what almost looked like the remnants of a
gasket. So my
first question to ask, is there supposed
to be a gasket
at the back that the plunger backs onto to seal the
end? I cleaned it out, but couldn't tell
if it was just
plain dirt or not. Or maybe this was just
a collection
point for dirt, that would then work
itself into the
little hole where the male ball end goes
into and not
sealing like it is supposed to, and thus
allowing fuel
to get sucked by into the cylinders.

The primer brand is Essex Engine Primer.

Walter
advice. I still
working on it
even though I
My best guess
describes, primarily
applied primer
changing too many
may not get to
sea level to
next. Thanks.


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The Saga Continues - Primer

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
by del.schmucker
Go to Canadian Tire and get an automotive inline gas filter. There would
quite an assortment available you could get one with the appropriate
input/output sizes.

Thank You,

Del Schmucker
Information Systems Manager
Keewatin-Patricia District School Board
807-223-1254
807-221-8769 Cell
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
www.kpdsb.on.ca


-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Klatt [mailto:walter.klatt@shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:54 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

Yup, that's what I'm thinking or as Wayne suggested, a
tee off the gascolator outlet. Sure hope this was the
problem. I am planning to fly it again tonight, and
will be one surprised puppy if it still isn't working.

Anyone know of a very small clear style inline filter
that might be suitable? Might be easier than adding a
tee in my case, because I already have my fuel sensor
hanging on that end.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:44 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: The Saga Continues - Primer


I think if this fixes your problem I'd be
adding a fuel filter inline to the
primer to keep it from happening again!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

Thanks, Wayne. Had a look at another one
tonight, too.
I took the primer apart, little balls, springs, and
all, and cleaned it with gas and air. It
definitely had
a bunch of dirt in it, so I hope this was
my problem.
Got everything back together and will try
for a test
flight tomorrow night.

It seems that the fuel that goes into the
primer from
my gascolator is not filtered, so that
would explain
where the dirt came from. Not sure if all
gascolators
work that way, but I got mine from MAM. I
think it is
the same as sold by ACS.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:48 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: The Saga Continues - Primer


Walter, just took a brand new Essex apart.
Two O-rings on the plunger OD and
a stem sticking out the bottom of the
plunger with a ball bearing staked
into the end of it. The stuff you have found
is garbage from the fuel system
(assuming it was a new primer when you
installed) and may have been enough
to keep that staked in ball from seating in
the bottom. When you get it back
together try sucking on the outlet with your
mouth. It should flow air when
the plunger is extended, but as soon as you
get it into the retainer slot it
should not. IF you can draw air through it
when the plunger is in then it's
worn at the seat and may or may not be
salvagable.
Wayne

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: RE: The Saga Continues - Primer

some ground
look. The two O
looked into back bottom, gasket. So my to be a gasket
onto to seal the
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