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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:01 pm**

I'll be riveting my stab together this weekend, and I was wondering if there
were any tricks to getting the main spar doublers (W-139, ST-313) to stay in
place while you're trying to get the skin back on the frame. Right now I'm
just planning to chromate and cleco in place about 1/2 an hour before I'm
ready to start, this should give the epoxy time to set up enough to hold them
in place until the skin and clecoes are put back in place.

Another question I have is with the 3500 upgrade there are 4 additional
external doublers on the stab. The instructions tell you to rivet using the
stab rivet map to determine final sizes. All the rivet map tells you is 1/8
or 5/32. The 1/8 I'm sure will be RV-1410 rivets... but what will the 5/32
rivets be? I haven't used any 5/32 up to this point.

Thanks, Mike
195SR

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:02 pm**

Thanks Wayne... I think I see a pattern here. The second number looks like it
must be the rivet diameter in 32nds.

RV1410 4/32 or 1/8
RV1512 5/32
RV1613 6/32 or 3/16

It would have been nice if the 3500 upgrade adendum had an inventory for each
chapter like the 2500 manual does... but then, the manual has already been
beat up enough hasn't it?

Thanks, Mike

On 5/8/2003 5:57 AM, MURPHY-REBEL@DCSOL.COM wrote to MIKE DAVIS:

-> I think the only 5/32 supplied are RV1512's Mike! I can't remember if there
-> was a few misc sizes supplied but if there was I didn't use any in the stab
-> that I remember. I remember counting out the actual rivet that had to be
-> replaced to get a proper rivet count for MAM on the Stabs/fin/wings etc, so
-> everyone got the right supply and I'll be damned if I can remember if there
-> was anything in 5/32 other than the RV1512's. If I get time today I'll see
-> if I can dig out the SR stuff and find the sheet I wrote it all on.
->
-> Wayne
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:59 AM
-> Subject: Moose h-stab main spar caps
->
->
-> > I'll be riveting my stab together this weekend, and I was wondering if
-> there
-> > were any tricks to getting the main spar doublers (W-139, ST-313) to stay
-> in
-> > place while you're trying to get the skin back on the frame. Right now
-> I'm
-> > just planning to chromate and cleco in place about 1/2 an hour before I'm
-> > ready to start, this should give the epoxy time to set up enough to hold
-> them
-> > in place until the skin and clecoes are put back in place.
-> >
-> > Another question I have is with the 3500 upgrade there are 4 additional
-> > external doublers on the stab. The instructions tell you to rivet using
-> the
-> > stab rivet map to determine final sizes. All the rivet map tells you is
-> 1/8
-> > or 5/32. The 1/8 I'm sure will be RV-1410 rivets... but what will the
-> 5/32
-> > rivets be? I haven't used any 5/32 up to this point.
-> >
-> > Thanks, Mike
-> > 195SR

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:02 pm**

I think the only 5/32 supplied are RV1512's Mike! I can't remember if there
was a few misc sizes supplied but if there was I didn't use any in the stab
that I remember. I remember counting out the actual rivet that had to be
replaced to get a proper rivet count for MAM on the Stabs/fin/wings etc, so
everyone got the right supply and I'll be damned if I can remember if there
was anything in 5/32 other than the RV1512's. If I get time today I'll see
if I can dig out the SR stuff and find the sheet I wrote it all on.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:59 AM
Subject: Moose h-stab main spar caps

I'll be riveting my stab together this weekend, and I was wondering if

there

were any tricks to getting the main spar doublers (W-139, ST-313) to stay

in

place while you're trying to get the skin back on the frame. Right now

I'm

just planning to chromate and cleco in place about 1/2 an hour before I'm
ready to start, this should give the epoxy time to set up enough to hold

them

in place until the skin and clecoes are put back in place.

Another question I have is with the 3500 upgrade there are 4 additional
external doublers on the stab. The instructions tell you to rivet using

the

stab rivet map to determine final sizes. All the rivet map tells you is

1/8

or 5/32. The 1/8 I'm sure will be RV-1410 rivets... but what will the

5/32

rivets be? I haven't used any 5/32 up to this point.

Thanks, Mike
195SR

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:02 pm**

You've got it right on both counts Mike!!

I'm heading out flying (since as of 10 minutes ago I have Howard and Tim'y
both ready to go back to the lake) so I can remember how for Saturday when I
have to fly 9 or 10 kids in a row. Will have a look for my rivet list when I
get back in!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Moose h-stab main spar caps

Thanks Wayne... I think I see a pattern here. The second number looks

like it

must be the rivet diameter in 32nds.

RV1410 4/32 or 1/8
RV1512 5/32
RV1613 6/32 or 3/16

It would have been nice if the 3500 upgrade adendum had an inventory for

each

chapter like the 2500 manual does... but then, the manual has already been
beat up enough hasn't it?

Thanks, Mike

On 5/8/2003 5:57 AM, MURPHY-REBEL@DCSOL.COM wrote to MIKE DAVIS:

-> I think the only 5/32 supplied are RV1512's Mike! I can't remember if

there

-> was a few misc sizes supplied but if there was I didn't use any in the

stab

-> that I remember. I remember counting out the actual rivet that had to

be

-> replaced to get a proper rivet count for MAM on the Stabs/fin/wings

etc, so

-> everyone got the right supply and I'll be damned if I can remember if

there

-> was anything in 5/32 other than the RV1512's. If I get time today I'll

see

-> if I can dig out the SR stuff and find the sheet I wrote it all on.
->
-> Wayne
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:59 AM
-> Subject: Moose h-stab main spar caps
->
->
-> > I'll be riveting my stab together this weekend, and I was wondering

if

-> there
-> > were any tricks to getting the main spar doublers (W-139, ST-313) to

stay

-> in
-> > place while you're trying to get the skin back on the frame. Right

now

-> I'm
-> > just planning to chromate and cleco in place about 1/2 an hour before

I'm

-> > ready to start, this should give the epoxy time to set up enough to

hold

-> them
-> > in place until the skin and clecoes are put back in place.
-> >
-> > Another question I have is with the 3500 upgrade there are 4

additional

-> > external doublers on the stab. The instructions tell you to rivet

using

-> the
-> > stab rivet map to determine final sizes. All the rivet map tells you

is

-> 1/8
-> > or 5/32. The 1/8 I'm sure will be RV-1410 rivets... but what will

the

-> 5/32
-> > rivets be? I haven't used any 5/32 up to this point.
-> >
-> > Thanks, Mike
-> > 195SR

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:02 pm**

Thanks Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Moose h-stab main spar caps

Mike, found my rivet counting sheet from when I gave Brian G the real
numbers required (the best I could count and estimate anyhow!!) to do the
upgrades from a 2500 to a 3500.

The kit I have also came with 250 RV4512(actual bag count onluy 238!! -

bet

I'll need those 12!)) counter sunk rivets and they are the only other 5/32
besides the RV1512's. These are used anywhere that you have a fairing
sitting against the surface and I ignored them when I did the count to get
all the builders more rivets free of charge (since the upgrade kits were
drastically short!).

I counted the need for 2764 - RV1512 for performing the upgrades from 2500
to 3500 and only 2200 were supplied by MAM. This should be cleared up by

now

and shipping correct amounts but never be too sure!

I counted the need for 767 RV1613's and only 525 were supplied leaving

about

242 short BUTTTTTTTT I forgot to count the number required to upgrade the
side panel upgrade for the longer doublers at the top motor mount to door
post doubler. Not a big deal if you haven't installed it yet, but anyone
that was doing upgrades post installation of these parts will need even

more

RV1613's

I had Brian add 600 x RV1512's to the 3500 upgrade packing list and 300 x
RV1613's, as well as a dozen RV4412's. I didn't bother counting the

RV1410's

but these were most likely short as well. I hoped, like the Rebel, that

the

bulk boxes of RV1410's would leave enough extras in the end to clear up

any

discrepancy there!

Have fun! I got 1.6hrs of flying in and did a local Trumpter Swan count,

for

nesting birds, while I was at it!

Wayne O'Shea
oifa@irishfield.on.ca
www.irishfield.on.ca

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:02 pm**

Mike, found my rivet counting sheet from when I gave Brian G the real
numbers required (the best I could count and estimate anyhow!!) to do the
upgrades from a 2500 to a 3500.

The kit I have also came with 250 RV4512(actual bag count onluy 238!! - bet
I'll need those 12!)) counter sunk rivets and they are the only other 5/32
besides the RV1512's. These are used anywhere that you have a fairing
sitting against the surface and I ignored them when I did the count to get
all the builders more rivets free of charge (since the upgrade kits were
drastically short!).

I counted the need for 2764 - RV1512 for performing the upgrades from 2500
to 3500 and only 2200 were supplied by MAM. This should be cleared up by now
and shipping correct amounts but never be too sure!

I counted the need for 767 RV1613's and only 525 were supplied leaving about
242 short BUTTTTTTTT I forgot to count the number required to upgrade the
side panel upgrade for the longer doublers at the top motor mount to door
post doubler. Not a big deal if you haven't installed it yet, but anyone
that was doing upgrades post installation of these parts will need even more
RV1613's

I had Brian add 600 x RV1512's to the 3500 upgrade packing list and 300 x
RV1613's, as well as a dozen RV4412's. I didn't bother counting the RV1410's
but these were most likely short as well. I hoped, like the Rebel, that the
bulk boxes of RV1410's would leave enough extras in the end to clear up any
discrepancy there!

Have fun! I got 1.6hrs of flying in and did a local Trumpter Swan count, for
nesting birds, while I was at it!

Wayne O'Shea
oifa@irishfield.on.ca
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Moose h-stab main spar caps

You've got it right on both counts Mike!!

I'm heading out flying (since as of 10 minutes ago I have Howard and Tim'y
both ready to go back to the lake) so I can remember how for Saturday when

I

have to fly 9 or 10 kids in a row. Will have a look for my rivet list when

I

get back in!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Moose h-stab main spar caps

Thanks Wayne... I think I see a pattern here. The second number looks
like it
must be the rivet diameter in 32nds.

RV1410 4/32 or 1/8
RV1512 5/32
RV1613 6/32 or 3/16

It would have been nice if the 3500 upgrade adendum had an inventory for
each
chapter like the 2500 manual does... but then, the manual has already

been

beat up enough hasn't it?

Thanks, Mike

On 5/8/2003 5:57 AM, MURPHY-REBEL@DCSOL.COM wrote to MIKE DAVIS:

-> I think the only 5/32 supplied are RV1512's Mike! I can't remember if
there
-> was a few misc sizes supplied but if there was I didn't use any in

the

stab
-> that I remember. I remember counting out the actual rivet that had to
be
-> replaced to get a proper rivet count for MAM on the Stabs/fin/wings
etc, so
-> everyone got the right supply and I'll be damned if I can remember if
there
-> was anything in 5/32 other than the RV1512's. If I get time today

I'll

see
-> if I can dig out the SR stuff and find the sheet I wrote it all on.
->
-> Wayne
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:59 AM
-> Subject: Moose h-stab main spar caps
->
->
-> > I'll be riveting my stab together this weekend, and I was wondering
if
-> there
-> > were any tricks to getting the main spar doublers (W-139, ST-313)

to

stay
-> in
-> > place while you're trying to get the skin back on the frame. Right
now
-> I'm
-> > just planning to chromate and cleco in place about 1/2 an hour

before

I'm
-> > ready to start, this should give the epoxy time to set up enough to
hold
-> them
-> > in place until the skin and clecoes are put back in place.
-> >
-> > Another question I have is with the 3500 upgrade there are 4
additional
-> > external doublers on the stab. The instructions tell you to rivet
using
-> the
-> > stab rivet map to determine final sizes. All the rivet map tells

you

is
-> 1/8
-> > or 5/32. The 1/8 I'm sure will be RV-1410 rivets... but what will
the
-> 5/32
-> > rivets be? I haven't used any 5/32 up to this point.
-> >
-> > Thanks, Mike
-> > 195SR

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