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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:58 pm**

Does anyone have pics of the elite nosewheel? Any opinions of its design and
suitability for use on grass/rough(ish) ground would be appreciated.

Regards,

Bob

(resending message as I am uncertain as to whether my first message was sent)

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:58 pm**

Hello Bob,
We are building a taildragger Elite. When I saw my first training wheel
Elite at Sun&Fun 6 years ago it had a crack in the nosegear at the lower
end. I don't remember if it was in the wheel fork or leg but the gear did
not look rugged enough to me. I realize that how it looks does not always
play in a stress analysis but it made my mind up. MAM may well have done a
modification but I have not seen a later nosewheel Elite. One consideration
is the limitation of tire size. If you are on rough ground the larger tires
"climb" out of holes and over bumps better and can run lower pressures for
more cushioning.
Regards,
Ralph Baker
Elite 624E

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:59 pm**

Hello Ralph,

Thanks for the reply, I must admit the nose gear does not look to
substantial but, I have only been able to see it from the pics on the murphy
site. I hate to confess but my reason for looking at it has more to do with
my flying experience than anything else. I operate out of a smallish grass
strip which to be fair is not that rough I suppose. I also have a streak
shadow that I fly from there and the nosewheel on the shadow is anything but
substantial and it seems to handle it alright.

Finding a crack on the demo a/c is not particularly confidence building
material.

Thanks,

Bob

By copy to anyonelse I would appreciate any closeup pics of the nosegear if
available.

On 4/29/2003 11:39 PM, REBAKER@FTC-I.NET wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:

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-> Subject: Re: Elite Nose wheel
-> To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
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->
-> Hello Bob,
-> We are building a taildragger Elite. When I saw my first training wheel
-> Elite at Sun&Fun 6 years ago it had a crack in the nosegear at the lower
-> end. I don't remember if it was in the wheel fork or leg but the gear did
-> not look rugged enough to me. I realize that how it looks does not always
-> play in a stress analysis but it made my mind up. MAM may well have done a
-> modification but I have not seen a later nosewheel Elite. One
consideration
-> is the limitation of tire size. If you are on rough ground the larger
tires
-> "climb" out of holes and over bumps better and can run lower pressures for
-> more cushioning.
-> Regards,
-> Ralph Baker
-> Elite 624E
->
->
->

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:28 pm**

Does anyone have any photos of the elite nose wheel gear and any info
concerning the gear.

Thanks,

Bob

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:29 pm**

I have the tricycle kit, and am not planning to use the parts, so if you
want to go trike, we should talk. Can also supply photos of parts.

Regards, Al Hepburn

----- Original Message -----
From: <bob.hyatt@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject: elite nose wheel

Does anyone have any photos of the elite nose wheel gear and any info
concerning the gear.

Thanks,

Bob

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:29 pm**

Hi Al,

Thanks for the reply. I would appreciate any photos that you could send. Why
did you decide not to continue with the tricylce gear??

Regards,

Bob

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-> Subject: Re: elite nose wheel
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-> I have the tricycle kit, and am not planning to use the parts, so if you
-> want to go trike, we should talk. Can also supply photos of parts.
->
-> Regards, Al Hepburn
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <bob.hyatt@dcsol.com>
-> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:20 PM
-> Subject: elite nose wheel
->
->
-> > Does anyone have any photos of the elite nose wheel gear and any info
-> > concerning the gear.
-> >
-> > Thanks,
-> >
-> > Bob
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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:29 pm**

Well, my intent is to put it on amphibious floats, so the whell gear will be
of primary interest to any possible future owners. It seems to me that most
operators of this type of aircraft are going to be interested in bush type
operations, for which the taidragger is more suitable. So I decided to
build it as a taildragger. Initially, the plan was to put it on wheels
until I had flown the bugs out, but now I am considering putting it straight
onto amphibs. I would have to buy the tailwheel and new main gear legs, and
put in a few hours to assemble the whole thing, so why go to the effort and
expense?

The taildragger is somewhat lighter than the trike, as it doesn't have the
two extra 2 x 2 tubes to support the main gear and the nose gear strut, plus
a few other bits and pieces. One desirable mod that comes with the trike
which looks a good idea for either configuration is thicker corner wraps on
the nose. The standard corner wraps tend to oil can a bit when you shake
the airplane up and down by the tail. This says to me they're a bit too
light.

Photos of major parts to follow via mail direct to you.

Regards, Al.

----- Original Message -----
From: <bob.hyatt@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: elite nose wheel

Hi Al,

Thanks for the reply. I would appreciate any photos that you could send.

Why

did you decide not to continue with the tricylce gear??

Regards,

Bob

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-> Subject: Re: elite nose wheel
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-> I have the tricycle kit, and am not planning to use the parts, so if

you

-> want to go trike, we should talk. Can also supply photos of parts.
->
-> Regards, Al Hepburn
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <bob.hyatt@dcsol.com>
-> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:20 PM
-> Subject: elite nose wheel
->
->
-> > Does anyone have any photos of the elite nose wheel gear and any info
-> > concerning the gear.
-> >
-> > Thanks,
-> >
-> > Bob
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:51 pm**

Hello Al,

I have just discovered I have had a problem with my return emails, if you did
reply to the message below I have not received it and would ask that you send
it again.

Thanks,

Bob

ps idea on price?

On 9/20/2003 1:48 AM, BOB HYATT wrote to AHEPBURN@RENC.IGS.NET:

-> Hi Al,
->
-> Thanks for the reply. I would appreciate any photos that you could send.
Why
-> did you decide not to continue with the tricylce gear??
->
-> Regards,
->
-> Bob
->
->
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->
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-> -> for <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:55:45 -0400 (EDT)
-> -> (envelope-from ahepburn@renc.igs.net)
-> -> Message-ID: <006c01c36efe$62de7300$6d463ad8@VAIO>
-> -> From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
-> -> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> -> References: <1062015638@dcsol.com>
-> -> Subject: Re: elite nose wheel
-> -> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:54:38 -0400
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-> ->
-> -> I have the tricycle kit, and am not planning to use the parts, so if you
-> -> want to go trike, we should talk. Can also supply photos of parts.
-> ->
-> -> Regards, Al Hepburn
-> ->
-> -> ----- Original Message -----
-> -> From: <bob.hyatt@dcsol.com>
-> -> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> -> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:20 PM
-> -> Subject: elite nose wheel
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> > Does anyone have any photos of the elite nose wheel gear and any info
-> -> > concerning the gear.
-> -> >
-> -> > Thanks,
-> -> >
-> -> > Bob
-> -> >
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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:51 pm**

Just a note to let everybody know that I disabled the ability for accounts on
the dcsol.com system to send and receive internet e-mail some time ago. There
was just to much spam sitting on the server since most list members with their
own accounts never bothered to check. These accounts can now only be used to
access the archives and post messages to the list.

Mike

On 9/21/2003 4:41 PM, MURPHY-REBEL@DCSOL.COM wrote to MIKE DAVIS:

Bob:

Do you have a direct Emnail address. For some reason bob.hyatt@dcsol.com
does not work. I guesss we could work through the public board if we have
to, but direct wuld be better.

Al Hepburn

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:51 pm**

Bob:

Do you have a direct Emnail address. For some reason bob.hyatt@dcsol.com
does not work. I guesss we could work through the public board if we have
to, but direct wuld be better.

Al Hepburn

----- Original Message -----
From: <bob.hyatt@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: elite nose wheel

Hello Al,

I have just discovered I have had a problem with my return emails, if you

did

reply to the message below I have not received it and would ask that you

send

it again.

Thanks,

Bob

ps idea on price?

On 9/20/2003 1:48 AM, BOB HYATT wrote to AHEPBURN@RENC.IGS.NET:

-> Hi Al,
->
-> Thanks for the reply. I would appreciate any photos that you could

send.

Why
-> did you decide not to continue with the tricylce gear??
->
-> Regards,
->
-> Bob
->
->
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->
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-> EHLO=host.renc.igs.net
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-> -> id 652198109; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:55:50 -0800
-> -> Received: from VAIO (ttyG0d.renc.igs.net [216.58.70.109] (may be

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-> -> (envelope-from ahepburn@renc.igs.net)
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-> -> From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
-> -> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> -> References: <1062015638@dcsol.com>
-> -> Subject: Re: elite nose wheel
-> -> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:54:38 -0400
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-> ->
-> -> I have the tricycle kit, and am not planning to use the parts, so if

you

-> -> want to go trike, we should talk. Can also supply photos of parts.
-> ->
-> -> Regards, Al Hepburn
-> ->
-> -> ----- Original Message -----
-> -> From: <bob.hyatt@dcsol.com>
-> -> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> -> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:20 PM
-> -> Subject: elite nose wheel
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> > Does anyone have any photos of the elite nose wheel gear and any

info

-> -> > concerning the gear.
-> -> >
-> -> > Thanks,
-> -> >
-> -> > Bob
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
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