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I just did a quick search of the archives... searched for "vortex" in the
message body. Found 19 in murphy-rebel and 10 more in old-murphy-rebel.
You'd probably get additional hits if you searched for "VG". I do recall
this topic being discussed several times in the past... both positive and
negative comments have been shared. And as Bobp always shares... as long as
you don't flush rivet your wings... there's already thousands of little VGs
all over it.

Mike

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Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: vortex generators

Peter,

I have done a little research, but with little success. If you learn

anything I would love to hear !

Rick Muller
SR 70

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Sent: 04/21/03 06:29 AM
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Subject: vortex generators

Anyone out there have any experience with vortex generators on their

airplanes who could comment on their
performance.

Peter
SR003

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Anyone out there have any experience with vortex generators on their
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Peter,

I have done a little research, but with little success. If you learn anything I would love to hear !

Rick Muller
SR 70

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Subject: vortex generators

Anyone out there have any experience with vortex generators on their

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DITTO

Keith Oliver
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine




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Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 1:01 PM
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Subject: Re: vortex generators


Peter,

I have done a little research, but with little success. If you learn
anything I would love to hear !

Rick Muller
SR 70

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Sent: 04/21/03 06:29 AM
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Subject: vortex generators

Anyone out there have any experience with vortex generators on their

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I recall that Bob Howell has VG's installed on his Moose which is located in
Carson City, NV. I'll check with him and see if he has any comments.

Regards, SR227 (Deposit and awaiting delivery)


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If anyone has put vortex generators on the mooose or knows about them can you
comment on the before and after performance change, if any?

Thanks,

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Love them. The new wing tips and VG together bring stall speed on
floats from 57 knots to under 45 knots at gross.

Ryan Mowat, P.Eng.
30528 1A Greatnorthern Ave
Abbotsford, BC V2T 6H4
(604) 556-7222 (ext 307), (604) 556-7215 (Fax)

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Rick,
I have installed them and they work great.The stall with the VG's is off
the scale on the airspeed indicator. The airplane fly's slower and has
aileron control with full flaps. It had hardly any aileron control with full
flaps prior to adding the VG's.
I also have put VG's on the underside of the horizontal stabilizer, this
gave me more elevator authority, it needed that to get it to stall.
Talk to Jerry at http://www.pnwaero.com/ nice kit and very helpful, he has
several Moose's with his VG's, his phone is 541-388-9902.
Al
Moose, N526AP
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Subject: Vortex Generators

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Thanks,

Rick 277SR



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Al...does the pretested kit from Jerry, for the Moose, come with the Stab
VG's or were/are they extra order on top? Thanks, Wayne

----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Vortex Generators

Rick,
I have installed them and they work great.The stall with the VG's is off
the scale on the airspeed indicator. The airplane fly's slower and has
aileron control with full flaps. It had hardly any aileron control with

full

flaps prior to adding the VG's.
I also have put VG's on the underside of the horizontal stabilizer, this
gave me more elevator authority, it needed that to get it to stall.
Talk to Jerry at http://www.pnwaero.com/ nice kit and very helpful, he

has

several Moose's with his VG's, his phone is 541-388-9902.
Al
Moose, N526AP
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can

you
comment on the before and after performance change, if any?

Thanks,

Rick 277SR



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Hi Wayne,
Yes, it's all one package. Al
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vortex Generators

Al...does the pretested kit from Jerry, for the Moose, come with the Stab
VG's or were/are they extra order on top? Thanks, Wayne

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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Vortex Generators

Rick,
I have installed them and they work great.The stall with the VG's is off
the scale on the airspeed indicator. The airplane fly's slower and has
aileron control with full flaps. It had hardly any aileron control with

full

flaps prior to adding the VG's.
I also have put VG's on the underside of the horizontal stabilizer, this
gave me more elevator authority, it needed that to get it to stall.
Talk to Jerry at http://www.pnwaero.com/ nice kit and very helpful, he

has

several Moose's with his VG's, his phone is 541-388-9902.
Al
Moose, N526AP
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:17 PM
Subject: Vortex Generators

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can

you
comment on the before and after performance change, if any?

Thanks,

Rick 277SR



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THANKS!

----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Vortex Generators

Hi Wayne,
Yes, it's all one package. Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vortex Generators

Al...does the pretested kit from Jerry, for the Moose, come with the

Stab

VG's or were/are they extra order on top? Thanks, Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Paxhia" <paxhia2@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Vortex Generators

Rick,
I have installed them and they work great.The stall with the VG's is

off

the scale on the airspeed indicator. The airplane fly's slower and has
aileron control with full flaps. It had hardly any aileron control with

full

flaps prior to adding the VG's.
I also have put VG's on the underside of the horizontal stabilizer,

this

gave me more elevator authority, it needed that to get it to stall.
Talk to Jerry at http://www.pnwaero.com/ nice kit and very helpful, he

has

several Moose's with his VG's, his phone is 541-388-9902.
Al
Moose, N526AP
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Vortex Generators

can

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Al, do you happen to remember about how many VG's you have per wing? Tail?

Scott

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Paxhia
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:13 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
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Hi Wayne,
Yes, it's all one package. Al
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vortex Generators

Al...does the pretested kit from Jerry, for the Moose, come with the

Stab

VG's or were/are they extra order on top? Thanks, Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Paxhia" <paxhia2@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Vortex Generators

Rick,
I have installed them and they work great.The stall with the VG's is

off

the scale on the airspeed indicator. The airplane fly's slower and has
aileron control with full flaps. It had hardly any aileron control with

full

flaps prior to adding the VG's.
I also have put VG's on the underside of the horizontal stabilizer,

this

gave me more elevator authority, it needed that to get it to stall.
Talk to Jerry at http://www.pnwaero.com/ nice kit and very helpful, he

has

several Moose's with his VG's, his phone is 541-388-9902.
Al
Moose, N526AP
----- Original Message -----
From: <rickjohnson@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:17 PM
Subject: Vortex Generators

can

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Thanks, Al and you too, Ron.

Rick 277SR

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-> Rick,
-> I have installed them and they work great.The stall with the VG's is off
-> the scale on the airspeed indicator. The airplane fly's slower and has
-> aileron control with full flaps. It had hardly any aileron control with
full
-> flaps prior to adding the VG's.
-> I also have put VG's on the underside of the horizontal stabilizer, this
-> gave me more elevator authority, it needed that to get it to stall.
-> Talk to Jerry at http://www.pnwaero.com/ nice kit and very helpful, he
has
-> several Moose's with his VG's, his phone is 541-388-9902.
-> Al
-> Moose, N526AP
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <rickjohnson@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
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->
->
-> > If anyone has put vortex generators on the mooose or knows about them
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-> > Thanks,
-> >
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Scott,
I'll count them next time I go up to the hangar.
Al
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: Vortex Generators

Al, do you happen to remember about how many VG's you have per wing? Tail?

Scott

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To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Vortex Generators

Hi Wayne,
Yes, it's all one package. Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vortex Generators

Al...does the pretested kit from Jerry, for the Moose, come with the

Stab

VG's or were/are they extra order on top? Thanks, Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Paxhia" <paxhia2@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Vortex Generators

off

full

this

has can

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Walter,

How many sets of these things did you buy for your rebel? I spoke with
Harrison and he suggests 1" spacing on the rudder and 3" on the wing.
What spacings did you use and did you do the rudder at all?

Garry




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