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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

Mike,
My understanding is that the SR and the Moose wing attach is the same for
both models. The front spar fitting is bolted solid with shims and the rear
spar attach fitting floats between the fuselage brackets. This is how I did
mine.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:13 PM
Subject: Fitting the wing

Well, I slid my wing up to the fuselage for the first time and got a
shock. With the front wing fitting hard against the front of the
fuselage fitting there was no way the rear fitting was going to make it.
It looked like the wing fittings were farther apart than the fuselage
fittings. &%#$ how did I screw that up? Taking a look at the problem
it looked like if I moved the front doubler from the inside of the
square tube to the outside like the moose builders have to do it would
give me enough room and it did. But the front wing fitting is hard
against the front of the fuselage fitting to get the rear fitting
pinned. I can't remember the differences between the Moose and Super
Rebel about one fitting "floating" and the other bolted down hard with
spacers or whatever. If I put a spacer on the back of the front wing
fitting to fill the gap with the front wing fitting hard against the
front fuselage fitting and the rear fitting bolted down (won't need any
spacers, it's a good fit) is this acceptable? Any opinions? Thanks in
advance guys.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

Well, I slid my wing up to the fuselage for the first time and got a
shock. With the front wing fitting hard against the front of the
fuselage fitting there was no way the rear fitting was going to make it.
It looked like the wing fittings were farther apart than the fuselage
fittings. &%#$ how did I screw that up? Taking a look at the problem
it looked like if I moved the front doubler from the inside of the
square tube to the outside like the moose builders have to do it would
give me enough room and it did. But the front wing fitting is hard
against the front of the fuselage fitting to get the rear fitting
pinned. I can't remember the differences between the Moose and Super
Rebel about one fitting "floating" and the other bolted down hard with
spacers or whatever. If I put a spacer on the back of the front wing
fitting to fill the gap with the front wing fitting hard against the
front fuselage fitting and the rear fitting bolted down (won't need any
spacers, it's a good fit) is this acceptable? Any opinions? Thanks in
advance guys.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

Mike, the note below is in the Moose Fast build section. I'm not exactly
sure how tight "nipped up" is for the 3500 rear fitting, but it looks like
the 2500 can be "tight".

"Some confusion has come about as to how the front spar attach works on all
our high wings.
On the Maverick, Rebel/Elite and 2500, the rear spar fittings are bolted
tight, and this sets the exact position of
the wing front spar fittings in the cage top carry through. Delrin spacers
are then made up to insert front and
back, so this assembly can be bolted tight.
HOWEVER- on the 3500, the wing rear spar attach brackets FLOAT inside the
fuselage rear spar attach
brackets, and are only nipped up with the AN6 bolt. With the wing rear spar
attach fittings centered as close as
possible inside the fuselage fittings, the front spar attach fittings will
find their position, and the space fore and aft
is filled with ALUMINUM spacers, part number FL-265. 6 are required per
aircraft. If 3500 builders do not have
these, please contact shipping."

Scott A

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Kimball
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:13 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Fitting the wing

Well, I slid my wing up to the fuselage for the first time and got a
shock. With the front wing fitting hard against the front of the
fuselage fitting there was no way the rear fitting was going to make it.
It looked like the wing fittings were farther apart than the fuselage
fittings. &%#$ how did I screw that up? Taking a look at the problem
it looked like if I moved the front doubler from the inside of the
square tube to the outside like the moose builders have to do it would
give me enough room and it did. But the front wing fitting is hard
against the front of the fuselage fitting to get the rear fitting
pinned. I can't remember the differences between the Moose and Super
Rebel about one fitting "floating" and the other bolted down hard with
spacers or whatever. If I put a spacer on the back of the front wing
fitting to fill the gap with the front wing fitting hard against the
front fuselage fitting and the rear fitting bolted down (won't need any
spacers, it's a good fit) is this acceptable? Any opinions? Thanks in
advance guys.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

Rick, the doubler Mike mentioned is one of two FUS 701 carry through plugs
on each fwd bracket. I believe it was only a 3500 mod. They were both on
the inside of FUS 306 main carry through (square tube). They caused an
interference problem putting the preload on the aft wing attach fitting so
the forward one was moved to the outside of the square tube. Here is the
link to MAM service bulletin. You can see them in the picture. I believe
there was an earlier SB about the 2500 fwd attach brackets that just added
spacers, sounds like a good idea to me to add the FUS 701 to the 2500 also.
http://www.murphyair.com/SUPPORT/Bullet ... PACING.pdf

Scott Aldrich

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
rickhm@mindspring.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:08 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Fitting the wing

Mike,

Bummer! When I put my FUS attach brackets in I made a "mock-wing"
Essentially I took a 1x2, cut it to approx. length and put some aluminum
angles on the ends. The distance btn angles was the same as the distance
between the attach brackets for the wing. I haven't put the wing to the fus
yet, but I hope I don't see what you saw! One thing I am confused about was
the mention of the doubler "inside the square tube to the outside." Any
chance you could take a picture of this. I don't recall a doubler in this
area. NOTE: I am building a SR, not a Moose.

Rick Muller
SR70
against the front of the fuselage fitting to get the rear fitting
pinned. I can't remember the differences between the Moose and Super
Rebel about one fitting "floating" and the other bolted down hard with
spacers or whatever. If I put a spacer on the back of the front wing
fitting to fill the gap with the front wing fitting hard against the
front fuselage fitting and the rear fitting bolted down (won't need any
spacers, it's a good fit) is this acceptable? Any opinions? Thanks in
advance guys.

Mike
Kimball
SR#044

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

There is no doubler on a Super Rebel. This is a 3500 mod. Although I did
not do the entire 3500 upgrade, I did do some things like the front wing
spar attach fitting modification. This includes some doublers on the square
tube.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: <rickhm@mindspring.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Fitting the wing

Mike,

Bummer! When I put my FUS attach brackets in I made a "mock-wing"

Essentially I took a 1x2, cut it to approx. length and put some aluminum
angles on the ends. The distance btn angles was the same as the distance
between the attach brackets for the wing. I haven't put the wing to the fus
yet, but I hope I don't see what you saw! One thing I am confused about was
the mention of the doubler "inside the square tube to the outside." Any
chance you could take a picture of this. I don't recall a doubler in this
area. NOTE: I am building a SR, not a Moose.

Rick Muller
SR70
-------Original Message-------
From: Mike Kimball <mkimball@gci.net>
Sent: 03/19/03 11:13 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Fitting the wing

Well, I slid my wing up to the fuselage for the first time and got a
shock. With the front wing fitting hard against the front of the
fuselage fitting there was no way the rear fitting was going to make it.
It looked like the wing fittings were farther apart than the fuselage
fittings. &%#$ how did I screw that up? Taking a look at the problem
it looked like if I moved the front doubler from the inside of the
square tube to the outside like the moose builders have to do it would
give me enough room and it did. But the front wing fitting is hard
against the front of the fuselage fitting to get the rear fitting
pinned. I can't remember the differences between the Moose and Super
Rebel about one fitting "floating" and the other bolted down hard with
spacers or whatever. If I put a spacer on the back of the front wing
fitting to fill the gap with the front wing fitting hard against the
front fuselage fitting and the rear fitting bolted down (won't need any
spacers, it's a good fit) is this acceptable? Any opinions? Thanks in
advance guys.

Mike
Kimball
SR#044

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

Mike,

Bummer! When I put my FUS attach brackets in I made a "mock-wing" Essentially I took a 1x2, cut it to approx. length and put some aluminum angles on the ends. The distance btn angles was the same as the distance between the attach brackets for the wing. I haven't put the wing to the fus yet, but I hope I don't see what you saw! One thing I am confused about was the mention of the doubler "inside the square tube to the outside." Any chance you could take a picture of this. I don't recall a doubler in this area. NOTE: I am building a SR, not a Moose.

Rick Muller
SR70
-------Original Message-------
From: Mike Kimball <mkimball@gci.net>
Sent: 03/19/03 11:13 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Fitting the wing

Well, I slid my wing up to the fuselage for the first time and got a

shock. With the front wing fitting hard against the front of the
fuselage fitting there was no way the rear fitting was going to make it.
It looked like the wing fittings were farther apart than the fuselage
fittings. &%#$ how did I screw that up? Taking a look at the problem
it looked like if I moved the front doubler from the inside of the
square tube to the outside like the moose builders have to do it would
give me enough room and it did. But the front wing fitting is hard
against the front of the fuselage fitting to get the rear fitting
pinned. I can't remember the differences between the Moose and Super
Rebel about one fitting "floating" and the other bolted down hard with
spacers or whatever. If I put a spacer on the back of the front wing
fitting to fill the gap with the front wing fitting hard against the
front fuselage fitting and the rear fitting bolted down (won't need any
spacers, it's a good fit) is this acceptable? Any opinions? Thanks in
advance guys.

Mike
Kimball
SR#044

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

Thanks Wayne. That makes me feel better. I have asked MAM to send me the
W-622 delrin spacers that their service bulletin calls for, for the Super
Rebel wing attach.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Fitting the wing

It's even better if it's tight to the front inside of the spar carrythru

as

then you only have to try and get one spacer in there on assembly!!! ;o))

As for material for a spacer, anything that will allow you to fully

tighten

without the square tube deforming. Delrin is slightly harder than nylon,

but

either would work just fine or an aluminum block milled to the proper

width

(with a hole in it of course!).

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Fitting the wing

Thanks for all the responses. Since the Super Rebel is supposed to be
tight
on both fore and aft wing attach fittings, I'm assuming mine will be OK
with
the front wing fitting right up against the fuselage fitting and the

space

behind the wing fitting filled with spacers. Delrin is specified for

the

Super Rebel and Aluminum for the Moose. I wonder why? I don't think
delrin
is the same as nylon, but I was thinking of using nylon.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:13 PM
Subject: Fitting the wing

Well, I slid my wing up to the fuselage for the first time and got a
shock. With the front wing fitting hard against the front of the
fuselage fitting there was no way the rear fitting was going to make

it.

It looked like the wing fittings were farther apart than the fuselage
fittings. &%#$ how did I screw that up? Taking a look at the problem
it looked like if I moved the front doubler from the inside of the
square tube to the outside like the moose builders have to do it would
give me enough room and it did. But the front wing fitting is hard
against the front of the fuselage fitting to get the rear fitting
pinned. I can't remember the differences between the Moose and Super
Rebel about one fitting "floating" and the other bolted down hard with
spacers or whatever. If I put a spacer on the back of the front wing
fitting to fill the gap with the front wing fitting hard against the
front fuselage fitting and the rear fitting bolted down (won't need

any

spacers, it's a good fit) is this acceptable? Any opinions? Thanks

in

advance guys.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

You have to review the pictures carefully, but I see the FUS-701 parts. No, I don't have these in my SR. Thanks, and I'll look into adding them.

Rick Muller
SR70
-------Original Message-------
From: Scott & Leere' Aldrich <flynski@mwutah.com>
Sent: 03/20/03 09:46 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Fitting the wing

Rick, the doubler Mike mentioned is one of two FUS 701 carry through plugs

on each fwd bracket. I believe it was only a 3500 mod. They were both on
the inside of FUS 306 main carry through (square tube). They caused an
interference problem putting the preload on the aft wing attach fitting so
the forward one was moved to the outside of the square tube. Here is the
link to MAM service bulletin. You can see them in the picture. I believe
there was an earlier SB about the 2500 fwd attach brackets that just added
spacers, sounds like a good idea to me to add the FUS 701 to the 2500
also.
<a target=_blank
href="http://www.murphyair.com/SUPPORT/Bullet ... ING.pdf</a>

Scott Aldrich

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
rickhm@mindspring.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:08 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Fitting the wing

Mike,

Bummer! When I put my FUS attach brackets in I made a "mock-wing"
Essentially I took a 1x2, cut it to approx. length and put some aluminum
angles on the ends. The distance btn angles was the same as the distance
between the attach brackets for the wing. I haven't put the wing to the
fus
yet, but I hope I don't see what you saw! One thing I am confused about
was
the mention of the doubler "inside the square tube to the outside." Any
chance you could take a picture of this. I don't recall a doubler in this
area. NOTE: I am building a SR, not a Moose.

Rick Muller
SR70
against the front of the fuselage fitting to get the rear fitting
pinned. I can't remember the differences between the Moose and Super
Rebel about one fitting "floating" and the other bolted down hard with
spacers or whatever. If I put a spacer on the back of the front wing
fitting to fill the gap with the front wing fitting hard against the
front fuselage fitting and the rear fitting bolted down (won't need any
spacers, it's a good fit) is this acceptable? Any opinions? Thanks in
advance
guys.

Mike
Kimball
SR#044

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

Thanks for all the responses. Since the Super Rebel is supposed to be tight
on both fore and aft wing attach fittings, I'm assuming mine will be OK with
the front wing fitting right up against the fuselage fitting and the space
behind the wing fitting filled with spacers. Delrin is specified for the
Super Rebel and Aluminum for the Moose. I wonder why? I don't think delrin
is the same as nylon, but I was thinking of using nylon.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:13 PM
Subject: Fitting the wing

Well, I slid my wing up to the fuselage for the first time and got a
shock. With the front wing fitting hard against the front of the
fuselage fitting there was no way the rear fitting was going to make it.
It looked like the wing fittings were farther apart than the fuselage
fittings. &%#$ how did I screw that up? Taking a look at the problem
it looked like if I moved the front doubler from the inside of the
square tube to the outside like the moose builders have to do it would
give me enough room and it did. But the front wing fitting is hard
against the front of the fuselage fitting to get the rear fitting
pinned. I can't remember the differences between the Moose and Super
Rebel about one fitting "floating" and the other bolted down hard with
spacers or whatever. If I put a spacer on the back of the front wing
fitting to fill the gap with the front wing fitting hard against the
front fuselage fitting and the rear fitting bolted down (won't need any
spacers, it's a good fit) is this acceptable? Any opinions? Thanks in
advance guys.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

It's even better if it's tight to the front inside of the spar carrythru as
then you only have to try and get one spacer in there on assembly!!! ;o))

As for material for a spacer, anything that will allow you to fully tighten
without the square tube deforming. Delrin is slightly harder than nylon, but
either would work just fine or an aluminum block milled to the proper width
(with a hole in it of course!).

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Fitting the wing

Thanks for all the responses. Since the Super Rebel is supposed to be

tight

on both fore and aft wing attach fittings, I'm assuming mine will be OK

with

the front wing fitting right up against the fuselage fitting and the space
behind the wing fitting filled with spacers. Delrin is specified for the
Super Rebel and Aluminum for the Moose. I wonder why? I don't think

delrin

is the same as nylon, but I was thinking of using nylon.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:13 PM
Subject: Fitting the wing

Well, I slid my wing up to the fuselage for the first time and got a
shock. With the front wing fitting hard against the front of the
fuselage fitting there was no way the rear fitting was going to make it.
It looked like the wing fittings were farther apart than the fuselage
fittings. &%#$ how did I screw that up? Taking a look at the problem
it looked like if I moved the front doubler from the inside of the
square tube to the outside like the moose builders have to do it would
give me enough room and it did. But the front wing fitting is hard
against the front of the fuselage fitting to get the rear fitting
pinned. I can't remember the differences between the Moose and Super
Rebel about one fitting "floating" and the other bolted down hard with
spacers or whatever. If I put a spacer on the back of the front wing
fitting to fill the gap with the front wing fitting hard against the
front fuselage fitting and the rear fitting bolted down (won't need any
spacers, it's a good fit) is this acceptable? Any opinions? Thanks in
advance guys.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

I am confused.... What are the differences between the SR and the Moose? I
am building SR 179 (3500, I believe) delivered in Dec 2001. I am confused
enough with the manual which was apparently written for the 2500 (also a SR
I believe), so technically what is a Moose?
Jim

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

Pertaining to the SR3500(Moose)..... "NIPPED UP" means to tighten the
nut/bolt to the point that it does not deform the fuselage attach brackets
and that they remain parallel to each other. You want to leave the full
clearance, that the difference in the thickness of the two new wing attach
brackets vs the two fuselage spacers between the fuselage brackets leaves,
for "floating".

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott & Leere' Aldrich" <flynski@mwutah.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: Fitting the wing

Mike, the note below is in the Moose Fast build section. I'm not exactly
sure how tight "nipped up" is for the 3500 rear fitting, but it looks like
the 2500 can be "tight".

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

Jim, the SR was orginally marketed as the 2500, hense SR2500. Very early in
R & D it was proven to have a structural gross weight of 3000 pounds just to
confuse the issue!!

Then when the rush was on to do a Radial powered version, to make up for the
heavier engine etc it was time to upgross to 3500pounds. This required MANY
upgrades.

From what I have seen the only manual is written for the SR2500. Then you

have to follow the 3500 upgrades bulletins to build a MOOSE. If you ordered
an SR2500 and no upgrades you are building an SR2500. If you bought the
upgrades or ordered it as an SR3500 you should have all the .063 doubler
skins for the leading edges of the wings, spar cap doubler plates for the
stabs, heavier wings strut attach fittings for the fuselage that mount with
9/16 bolts instead of 3/8. 5/8" strut attach bolts instead of 1/2" etc etc.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "goody" <goody@sover.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: re:Fitting the wing

I am confused.... What are the differences between the SR and the Moose? I
am building SR 179 (3500, I believe) delivered in Dec 2001. I am confused
enough with the manual which was apparently written for the 2500 (also a

SR

I believe), so technically what is a Moose?
Jim

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