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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

Depends what your time's worth to do similar yourself!!! Can be done fairly
easily with some patience, some fiberglass work and a good set of driving
lights from your local auto supply house!
;o)
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rickhm at home" <Rickhm@mindspring.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: rotating beacon

A touch off the subject, but do you think the wing tip kit from MAM is

worth the $$$

Rick
SR70

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kimball [SMTP:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:38 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon

I know the question being asked concerns Canada, but I thought others

might

wonder the same thing about the US, plus the odds are that the Canadian
requirement is similar.

FAR 91.205 says that if the plane was made after March 11, 1996 you must
have either a red or white anticollision light that meets all sorts of
complicated requirements set forth in other regulations, such as candle
power and how many degrees the light can be seen around the plane. This
could be a strobe or a rotating beacon as long as it is bright enough and
can be seen from various directions around the aircraft. There is a nice
drawing describing this in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. This requirement

is

for operations VFR during the DAY. Then, FAR 91.209 goes on to say that

"No

person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision

light

system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights." Who writes this
stuff?! What they're saying is if they are installed you must turn them

on

whenever you operate the aircraft. That is where the "ON before starting
the engine" rule came from. There is a caveat that says if the PIC thinks
it would be safer to not turn them on he doesn't have to. This allows you
to turn them off when you are IFR in the clouds and a bright flash every
second or so would make you continuously blind.

In the US, in addition to the anticollision light, all that is required

for

night flight are "lighted position lights" (as opposed to the unlighted
kind). Once again, the FAR is saying that not only do you have to have

them

but you also have to turn them on. Position lights consist of a red one

on

the left wing pointing pretty much left and forward, green one on the

right

wing pointing right and forward, and a white one pointing back.

Unless you are flying for hire (which you cannot do in a aircraft with an
experimental airworthiness certificate) you do not have to have a landing
light. There is no requirement for a taxi light.

Given all this, I am going with the wingtip mounted combo units that have
the strobes and position lights, including the rear facing white ones.

That

meets all the requirements in one simple installation. I also have the

MAM

supplied wing leading edge landing and taxi lights even though I don't
legally need them.

Mike Kimball
SR #044

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jones, Michael
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:00 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: rotating beacon

Hi All

Was going through the many ref books trying to find lighting requirement

for

kit planes in canada. vfr, ifr what ever

Can someone tell me where this might be. aip, transport web site, raa

manual

??

Also, how come i dont see rotating beacons on anyones rebel, maybe there

are

but dont recall, do strobes replace rotating beacons ? I seem to recall

from

my pilot training (few years back now) that before starting any engine
beacon must be on ? Is this a rule ? Excuse me for saying a bad word, but
all cesnas seem to have them ?

mike#007

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:52 pm**

OR - if you can wait a few months, you can buy the FIFE
Hoerner tips WITH a landing light in them ! Improve your performance,
save time, and have nice looking tips !!! ;-)

.....bobp

Dave Fife is already working on a set of his hoerner tips for
a Super Rebel/Moose - they work & fit great on the Rebel....

3D Composite Aircraft Parts Inc.
Aircrafttips@yahoo.com
home phone: (248) 627-4367

--------------------------------orig.--------------------------------
At 09:47 PM 3/13/03 -0500, you wrote:

Depends what your time's worth to do similar yourself!!! Can be done fairly
easily with some patience, some fiberglass work and a good set of driving
lights from your local auto supply house!
;o)
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rickhm at home" <Rickhm@mindspring.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: rotating beacon

A touch off the subject, but do you think the wing tip kit from MAM is
worth the $$$
Rick
SR70

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kimball [SMTP:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:38 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon

I know the question being asked concerns Canada, but I thought others
might
wonder the same thing about the US, plus the odds are that the Canadian
requirement is similar.

FAR 91.205 says that if the plane was made after March 11, 1996 you must
have either a red or white anticollision light that meets all sorts of
complicated requirements set forth in other regulations, such as candle
power and how many degrees the light can be seen around the plane. This
could be a strobe or a rotating beacon as long as it is bright enough and
can be seen from various directions around the aircraft. There is a nice
drawing describing this in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. This requirement
is
for operations VFR during the DAY. Then, FAR 91.209 goes on to say that
"No
person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision
light
system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights." Who writes this
stuff?! What they're saying is if they are installed you must turn them
on
whenever you operate the aircraft. That is where the "ON before starting
the engine" rule came from. There is a caveat that says if the PIC thinks
it would be safer to not turn them on he doesn't have to. This allows you
to turn them off when you are IFR in the clouds and a bright flash every
second or so would make you continuously blind.

In the US, in addition to the anticollision light, all that is required
for
night flight are "lighted position lights" (as opposed to the unlighted
kind). Once again, the FAR is saying that not only do you have to have
them
but you also have to turn them on. Position lights consist of a red one
on
the left wing pointing pretty much left and forward, green one on the
right
wing pointing right and forward, and a white one pointing back.

Unless you are flying for hire (which you cannot do in a aircraft with an
experimental airworthiness certificate) you do not have to have a landing
light. There is no requirement for a taxi light.

Given all this, I am going with the wingtip mounted combo units that have
the strobes and position lights, including the rear facing white ones.
That
meets all the requirements in one simple installation. I also have the
MAM
supplied wing leading edge landing and taxi lights even though I don't
legally need them.

Mike Kimball
SR #044

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jones, Michael
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:00 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: rotating beacon

Hi All

Was going through the many ref books trying to find lighting requirement
for
kit planes in canada. vfr, ifr what ever

Can someone tell me where this might be. aip, transport web site, raa
manual
??

Also, how come i dont see rotating beacons on anyones rebel, maybe there
are
but dont recall, do strobes replace rotating beacons ? I seem to recall
from
my pilot training (few years back now) that before starting any engine
beacon must be on ? Is this a rule ? Excuse me for saying a bad word, but
all cesnas seem to have them ?

mike#007

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