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Rebel vs Maverick

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:49 pm
by Bob Patterson
Hi Bradley !

No need to worry about making changes to the wing structure -
the Murphy factory have done all the necessary changes, and done
stress analysis and actual testing to assure the structure....
both are safe, rugged aircraft.

Your only question is - What kind of flying do you want
to do ???

The Maverick is a delightful aircraft with surprising
performance that was designed as a Canadian and Japanese Ultralight
(under 400 lb !!). It is smaller than the Rebel - about the same
width inside as a Cessna 152 - and designed for smaller engines.
It will perform really well with 2 people aboard with only the
Rotax 503 - unfortunately, a 2-stroke, but you can go as large
as the HKS 60 hp. 4-stroke, which was designed specifically FOR
the Maverick - a great combination ! That is the engine size
limit for the Maverick, so it's really just a fun, fair-weather
flyer, but a great one !! With the long wing option, it could
double as a motorglider !! ;-)

For a few dollars more, you can build a Rebel, and have
a much wider choice of engines, up to 4 seats, and/or a flying camper,
with room for 2 to sleep in the back. The Rebel can handle lots
of weather and wind, and is ok being tied outside. The Rebel
is 4" wider inside than a Cessna 180 (!!) so there's LOTS of
room ! If you're looking for affordable flying with good performance,
you can use the 80 hp. Rotax 912 4-stroke, and burn 3 gallons/hr. at 97 mph !
Or you can use a Lycoming O-320 of 150 hp., and add the Murphy 1800
amphib floats, and have "The best float plane in the world"(tm) !!

......bobp

------------------------------orig.--------------------------
At 11:08 AM 32/03 -0500, you wrote:
Anyone here have any opinions on the Rebel vs Maverick?

I was wondering about the Wing structure. The Rebel wing has aluminum
skin, and the Maverick has fabric skin. Do you need to add drag and
anti drag wire to the maverick wing because of this? What about
compression ribs?

Bradley









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Rebel vs Maverick

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:49 pm
by Brad Johnston
Thanks Bob,

Its just that I have seen a couple of web sites detailing the Rebel
Contruction projects, and I just wanted to compare how they were built in
the pics. But I could not find any Maverick construction projects pages on
the web. Does Murphy air talk about that kind of stuff in the info packs?

Bradley


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <apat@istar.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:52 PM
Subject: Rebel vs Maverick

Hi Bradley !

No need to worry about making changes to the wing structure -
the Murphy factory have done all the necessary changes, and done
stress analysis and actual testing to assure the structure....
both are safe, rugged aircraft.

Your only question is - What kind of flying do you want
to do ???

The Maverick is a delightful aircraft with surprising
performance that was designed as a Canadian and Japanese Ultralight
(under 400 lb !!). It is smaller than the Rebel - about the same
width inside as a Cessna 152 - and designed for smaller engines.
It will perform really well with 2 people aboard with only the
Rotax 503 - unfortunately, a 2-stroke, but you can go as large
as the HKS 60 hp. 4-stroke, which was designed specifically FOR
the Maverick - a great combination ! That is the engine size
limit for the Maverick, so it's really just a fun, fair-weather
flyer, but a great one !! With the long wing option, it could
double as a motorglider !! ;-)

For a few dollars more, you can build a Rebel, and have
a much wider choice of engines, up to 4 seats, and/or a flying camper,
with room for 2 to sleep in the back. The Rebel can handle lots
of weather and wind, and is ok being tied outside. The Rebel
is 4" wider inside than a Cessna 180 (!!) so there's LOTS of
room ! If you're looking for affordable flying with good performance,
you can use the 80 hp. Rotax 912 4-stroke, and burn 3 gallons/hr. at 97
mph !
Or you can use a Lycoming O-320 of 150 hp., and add the Murphy 1800
amphib floats, and have "The best float plane in the world"(tm) !!

......bobp

------------------------------orig.--------------------------
At 11:08 AM 32/03 -0500, you wrote:
Anyone here have any opinions on the Rebel vs Maverick?

I was wondering about the Wing structure. The Rebel wing has aluminum
skin, and the Maverick has fabric skin. Do you need to add drag and
anti drag wire to the maverick wing because of this? What about
compression ribs?

Bradley








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Rebel vs Maverick

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:49 pm
by Bob Patterson
Hi Bradley !

Checked the info pack - there's some general information on
construction, but no details of the wings. They have no stringers,
since the covering from the spar back is fabric. I seem to recall
compression struts, but I've been wrong before !! ;-)

The wing struts are lighter than the Rebel, too, but the
wing structure was tested to over +5/-3 G's, so it's plenty strong
enough. A modified version of the Maverick wing is used on the
new JDM-8 ultralight, as well.

Sorry I can't help more - there's over 100 Rebels in Ontario
now, but only 3 Mavericks, and none close enough to check out !
There ARE over 100 of them in Japan, though !! ;-^) :-)

Guess it's really still a question of what kind of flying
you want to do. Are you looking at an ultralight kind of airplane,
and what kind of engine do you prefer ? Are you OK with 2-strokes ??
One factor might be - are you in Canada ?? Otherwise, the Maverick
must be classed as an Experimental, with all the hassles that go
with that....

......bobp

-----------------------------orig.----------------------------------
At 09:35 PM 3/7/03 -0500, you wrote:
Thanks Bob,

Its just that I have seen a couple of web sites detailing the Rebel
Contruction projects, and I just wanted to compare how they were built in
the pics. But I could not find any Maverick construction projects pages on
the web. Does Murphy air talk about that kind of stuff in the info packs?

Bradley


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <apat@istar.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:52 PM
Subject: Rebel vs Maverick

Hi Bradley !

No need to worry about making changes to the wing structure -
the Murphy factory have done all the necessary changes, and done
stress analysis and actual testing to assure the structure....
both are safe, rugged aircraft.

Your only question is - What kind of flying do you want
to do ???

The Maverick is a delightful aircraft with surprising
performance that was designed as a Canadian and Japanese Ultralight
(under 400 lb !!). It is smaller than the Rebel - about the same
width inside as a Cessna 152 - and designed for smaller engines.
It will perform really well with 2 people aboard with only the
Rotax 503 - unfortunately, a 2-stroke, but you can go as large
as the HKS 60 hp. 4-stroke, which was designed specifically FOR
the Maverick - a great combination ! That is the engine size
limit for the Maverick, so it's really just a fun, fair-weather
flyer, but a great one !! With the long wing option, it could
double as a motorglider !! ;-)

For a few dollars more, you can build a Rebel, and have
a much wider choice of engines, up to 4 seats, and/or a flying camper,
with room for 2 to sleep in the back. The Rebel can handle lots
of weather and wind, and is ok being tied outside. The Rebel
is 4" wider inside than a Cessna 180 (!!) so there's LOTS of
room ! If you're looking for affordable flying with good performance,
you can use the 80 hp. Rotax 912 4-stroke, and burn 3 gallons/hr. at 97
mph !
Or you can use a Lycoming O-320 of 150 hp., and add the Murphy 1800
amphib floats, and have "The best float plane in the world"(tm) !!

......bobp

------------------------------orig.--------------------------
At 11:08 AM 32/03 -0500, you wrote:
Anyone here have any opinions on the Rebel vs Maverick?

I was wondering about the Wing structure. The Rebel wing has aluminum
skin, and the Maverick has fabric skin. Do you need to add drag and
anti drag wire to the maverick wing because of this? What about
compression ribs?

Bradley








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