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Prince Prop

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:46 pm
by rebel
I have a brand new Prince "Q" tip prop for a Rebel. It is pitched for an O-
235. Includes crush plate and proper bolts. Please contact me at
fritzt@bellsouth.net.

Fritzt
276R


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Prince Prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am
by rognal
Dale,

Maybe I missed it in your previous posts, but what is the diameter & pitch on
the Prince prop you purchased?

Roger Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!



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Prince Prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am
by Dale Kopff
----- Original Message -----
From: <rognal@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:45 PM
Subject: Prince Prop

Dale,

Maybe I missed it in your previous posts, but what is the diameter & pitch
on
the Prince prop you purchased?

Roger Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!
The prince prop is a 74/44, which is a equal to the sensenith 74/56.
The reason the prop is only 44" is because of the P tip ends and because of
the scimitar shape which causes the prop to flex forward.
For a better explaination e-mail prince aircraft at propellers@aol.com
Dale>
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Prince Prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am
by rognal
Thanks for the info Dale.

Roger


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Prince Prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am
by Clay Smith
Here's a reply from Prince for those that are interested.

----- Original Message -----
From: PROPELLERS@aol.com
To: cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: Info please


In a message dated 11/16/2003 8:59:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca writes:
I'm looking for a prop for my 150 hp 0320 Murphy Rebel. Please
provide me with info regarding your prop. Price, number of blades,
ground adjustable, float plane operation, will it crack or de-laminate
like the Warp Drive ...??

Thanks,
Clay Smith
Mr. Smith,
Thank you for your inquiry. We have manufactured reliable high
performance propellers for the past twenty five years. We are
recommended by the Murphy Co, as they do sell our propellers. The Prince
propeller has not experienced any cracking of the Wood or Carbon Fiber
Propellers.

The recommended propeller is 72" diameter with 46" pitch, two-bladed
propeller that changes 4" pitch from static to cruise. The cost for the
Wood P-TIPPropeller $1180.08, and the most durable better performing
Carbon Fiber Propeller $1758.96. Optional Leading Edge Protection for
either propeller is $83.00.

Please contact me if I can assist further.



Manufacturing time is approximatley eight weeks.


Lonnie Prince
www.princeaircraft.com
419-877-5557 Tel.
419-877-5564 Fax


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Prince Prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am
by Keith B. Oliver
It sure would be nice if MAM would let people know these things
When I call them a couple of months ago about a prop they said nothing about
Prince !!!!!!!!!!!

Keith Oliver
kboliver@adelphia.net
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine




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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:40 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Prince Prop


Here's a reply from Prince for those that are interested.

----- Original Message -----
From: PROPELLERS@aol.com
To: cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: Info please


In a message dated 11/16/2003 8:59:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca writes:
I'm looking for a prop for my 150 hp 0320 Murphy Rebel. Please
provide me with info regarding your prop. Price, number of blades,
ground adjustable, float plane operation, will it crack or de-laminate
like the Warp Drive ...??

Thanks,
Clay Smith
Mr. Smith,
Thank you for your inquiry. We have manufactured reliable high
performance propellers for the past twenty five years. We are
recommended by the Murphy Co, as they do sell our propellers. The Prince
propeller has not experienced any cracking of the Wood or Carbon Fiber
Propellers.

The recommended propeller is 72" diameter with 46" pitch, two-bladed
propeller that changes 4" pitch from static to cruise. The cost for the
Wood P-TIPPropeller $1180.08, and the most durable better performing
Carbon Fiber Propeller $1758.96. Optional Leading Edge Protection for
either propeller is $83.00.

Please contact me if I can assist further.



Manufacturing time is approximatley eight weeks.


Lonnie Prince
www.princeaircraft.com
419-877-5557 Tel.
419-877-5564 Fax


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Prince Prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Also if anyone plans to order...note that Dale is not flying behind the
"recommended" propellor!??!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith B. Oliver" <kboliver@adelphia.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: Prince Prop

It sure would be nice if MAM would let people know these things
When I call them a couple of months ago about a prop they said nothing
about
Prince !!!!!!!!!!!

Keith Oliver
kboliver@adelphia.net
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine




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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:40 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Prince Prop


Here's a reply from Prince for those that are interested.

----- Original Message -----
From: PROPELLERS@aol.com
To: cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: Info please


In a message dated 11/16/2003 8:59:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca writes:
I'm looking for a prop for my 150 hp 0320 Murphy Rebel. Please
provide me with info regarding your prop. Price, number of blades,
ground adjustable, float plane operation, will it crack or de-laminate
like the Warp Drive ...??

Thanks,
Clay Smith
Mr. Smith,
Thank you for your inquiry. We have manufactured reliable high
performance propellers for the past twenty five years. We are
recommended by the Murphy Co, as they do sell our propellers. The Prince
propeller has not experienced any cracking of the Wood or Carbon Fiber
Propellers.

The recommended propeller is 72" diameter with 46" pitch, two-bladed
propeller that changes 4" pitch from static to cruise. The cost for the
Wood P-TIPPropeller $1180.08, and the most durable better performing
Carbon Fiber Propeller $1758.96. Optional Leading Edge Protection for
either propeller is $83.00.

Please contact me if I can assist further.



Manufacturing time is approximatley eight weeks.


Lonnie Prince
www.princeaircraft.com
419-877-5557 Tel.
419-877-5564 Fax


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Prince Prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am
by rsdec1
How well do the lycomings idle with these lightweight props? Do they need the
additional 13 pound dampener on the flywheel?
Rick D.



Quoting Clay Smith <cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca>:
Here's a reply from Prince for those that are interested.

----- Original Message -----
From: PROPELLERS@aol.com
To: cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: Info please


In a message dated 11/16/2003 8:59:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca writes:
I'm looking for a prop for my 150 hp 0320 Murphy Rebel. Please
provide me with info regarding your prop. Price, number of blades,
ground adjustable, float plane operation, will it crack or de-laminate
like the Warp Drive ...??

Thanks,
Clay Smith
Mr. Smith,
Thank you for your inquiry. We have manufactured reliable high
performance propellers for the past twenty five years. We are
recommended by the Murphy Co, as they do sell our propellers. The Prince
propeller has not experienced any cracking of the Wood or Carbon Fiber
Propellers.

The recommended propeller is 72" diameter with 46" pitch, two-bladed
propeller that changes 4" pitch from static to cruise. The cost for the
Wood P-TIPPropeller $1180.08, and the most durable better performing
Carbon Fiber Propeller $1758.96. Optional Leading Edge Protection for
either propeller is $83.00.

Please contact me if I can assist further.



Manufacturing time is approximatley eight weeks.


Lonnie Prince
www.princeaircraft.com
419-877-5557 Tel.
419-877-5564 Fax


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Prince Prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am
by Dale Kopff
----- Original Message -----
From: <rsdec1@highstream.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Prince Prop

How well do the lycomings idle with these lightweight props? Do they need
the
additional 13 pound dampener on the flywheel?
Rick D.
I can"t tell any difference at idle or any other rpm between the Prince
and the Sensenich. I do not have a dampener, (Prince prop said it was not
needed).

Dale.


Quoting Clay Smith <cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca>:
Here's a reply from Prince for those that are interested.

----- Original Message -----
From: PROPELLERS@aol.com
To: cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: Info please


In a message dated 11/16/2003 8:59:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cbsmith@nf.sympatico.ca writes:
I'm looking for a prop for my 150 hp 0320 Murphy Rebel. Please
provide me with info regarding your prop. Price, number of blades,
ground adjustable, float plane operation, will it crack or de-laminate
like the Warp Drive ...??

Thanks,
Clay Smith
Mr. Smith,
Thank you for your inquiry. We have manufactured reliable high
performance propellers for the past twenty five years. We are
recommended by the Murphy Co, as they do sell our propellers. The Prince
propeller has not experienced any cracking of the Wood or Carbon Fiber
Propellers.

The recommended propeller is 72" diameter with 46" pitch, two-bladed
propeller that changes 4" pitch from static to cruise. The cost for the
Wood P-TIPPropeller $1180.08, and the most durable better performing
Carbon Fiber Propeller $1758.96. Optional Leading Edge Protection for
either propeller is $83.00.

Please contact me if I can assist further.



Manufacturing time is approximatley eight weeks.


Lonnie Prince
www.princeaircraft.com
419-877-5557 Tel.
419-877-5564 Fax


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Prince prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:59 am
by Legeorgen
Dale,

What engine are you using and what pitch of 74" Prince prop did you get? What
performance figures are you getting from your 74" Prince prop? Thanks.

Bruce



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Prince prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:59 am
by Legeorgen
Dale,

On amphibs you must be using their carbon fiber with edge protection?

Bruce



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Prince prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:59 am
by Dale Kopff
----- Original Message -----
From: <Legeorgen@aol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Prince prop

Dale,

On amphibs you must be using their carbon fiber with edge protection?

Bruce, Jerry
My engine is a Lycoming 160hp. The prop is wood core, carbon fiber skin
with leading edge protection, which is not needed with the 74 diameter.There
is no indication the water is getting to the prop. If a larger diameter is
used it would be required. I would ask Lonnie Prince what diameter and
pitch would be best for a given plane.

Lonnie recomended a 74-44 to be a equal to my Sensenich 74-56. The 44 pitch
is a equal because of the semitar shape, the P-tips, and because the blades
cone forward under power.

The static rpm is 2300, climb is 2350, full power 2600/115mph. I could have
better performance if I had used a finer pitch or a larger diameter. Check
with Lonnie Prince.

I purchased the prop through Murphy, and the spacer from Saber. The
Sensenich spacer will not work with a wood or carbon prop and is more
expensive.

Not only does the Prince out perform my Sensenich, it is 25lbs lighter.

Dale
N295RT
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Prince prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:59 am
by bransom
Dale,
You mention the possibility of better performance, but aren't you already
there with max power rpm under red line at cruise? Do you mean you wish you
had larger diameter, finer pitch, so as to get better low speed thrust at the
possible expense of some cruise speed?
-Ben Ransom ...a long way from buying a prop



-> The static rpm is 2300, climb is 2350, full power 2600/115mph. I could have
-> better performance if I had used a finer pitch or a larger diameter. Check
-> with Lonnie Prince.
->
-> I purchased the prop through Murphy, and the spacer from Saber. The
-> Sensenich spacer will not work with a wood or carbon prop and is more
-> expensive.
->
-> Not only does the Prince out perform my Sensenich, it is 25lbs lighter.
->
-> Dale
-> N295RT
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Prince prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:59 am
by Walter Klatt
Dale, what climb rates (at a given weight) are you getting?
Sounds like you could increase your performance further with a
pitch that would let you rev a little higher on take-off and
reach 2700 at the top end.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Dale Kopff
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:35 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Prince prop



----- Original Message -----
From: <Legeorgen@aol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Prince prop

Dale,

On amphibs you must be using their carbon fiber with
edge protection?
Bruce, Jerry
My engine is a Lycoming 160hp. The prop is wood core,
carbon fiber skin
with leading edge protection, which is not needed with
the 74 diameter.There
is no indication the water is getting to the prop. If
a larger diameter is
used it would be required. I would ask Lonnie Prince
what diameter and
pitch would be best for a given plane.

Lonnie recomended a 74-44 to be a equal to my
Sensenich 74-56. The 44 pitch
is a equal because of the semitar shape, the P-tips,
and because the blades
cone forward under power.

The static rpm is 2300, climb is 2350, full power
2600/115mph. I could have
better performance if I had used a finer pitch or a
larger diameter. Check
with Lonnie Prince.

I purchased the prop through Murphy, and the spacer
from Saber. The
Sensenich spacer will not work with a wood or carbon
prop and is more
expensive.

Not only does the Prince out perform my Sensenich, it
is 25lbs lighter.

Dale
N295RT
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Prince prop

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:59 am
by Legeorgen
dale

It sounds like you could have had a slightly finer pitch to get better climb
and 2700 RPM redline at full throttle. Your not getting full power at 2600 RPM.

Bruce



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