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The fiberglass spring is 1 3/4" wide by 18 1/2" long and will fit the Scott
tail wheel. Scott has adapters for narrower springs.

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Subject: Re: Tall Wheel Spring

Hi Lonnie
The Tail spring in my kit was an aluminum one(LG30-1) not fiberglass ,,,

seems

I heard that the fiberglass ones broke ??? but not sure about this.
I also plan on using a scott 3200 tail wheel but I dont have it yet so I

dont

know if it will fit on the aluminum spring ( about 1 5/8 width by 5/8

thick

).
What size is your spring??
Jim JimsRebel@aol.com

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I believe the early kits had aluminum tail springs. After the first few
customer rebels started flying it was found that the aluminum springs
were "straightening out" at the kink. Murophy switched later kits to
the composite spring. I have no heard any complaints about the
composite spring.

David James
Rebel 228

JimsRebel@aol.com wrote:

Hi Lonnie
The Tail spring in my kit was an aluminum one(LG30-1) not fiberglass
,,, seems
I heard that the fiberglass ones broke ??? but not sure about this.
I also plan on using a scott 3200 tail wheel but I dont have it yet so
I dont
know if it will fit on the aluminum spring ( about 1 5/8 width by
5/8 thick
).
What size is your spring??
Jim JimsRebel@aol.com

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From: "Alister Yeoman" <yeoman@voyager.co.nz>
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Hi There,

I have got the latest aluminum tailwheel spring and the standard Murphy
tail wheel.

The spring is fine, but the Murphy tail wheel is not up to it if you intend
on going into
rougher airstrips, it takes an awful pounding with the solid rubber wheel
and transfers a lot of shocks up the fuse.

On rocky very narrow airstrips I have found that the Murphy supplied
tailwheel struggles to keep the aircraft straight in the final stages of
the landing, it tends to bounce and jump around a lot, I think a pneumatic
tyre on the tailwheel really is essential for this type of work. I have
managed to counter this tendency by keeping the tail high until the last
possible moment on landing on these types of airstrips..

The Scott 3200 tail wheel looks to be a very good choice although it will
tend to lift the tail a little higher for the landing attitude, I am
running the 850-6 tyres on the Rebel now so it wont make too much of a
difference.

Cheers

Alister Yeoman
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From: JimsRebel@aol.com
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Tall Wheel Spring
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 1:02 PM

Hi Lonnie
The Tail spring in my kit was an aluminum one(LG30-1) not fiberglass ,,,

seems

I heard that the fiberglass ones broke ??? but not sure about this.
I also plan on using a scott 3200 tail wheel but I dont have it yet so I

dont

know if it will fit on the aluminum spring ( about 1 5/8 width by 5/8

thick

).
What size is your spring??
Jim JimsRebel@aol.com

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Bob Patterson wrote:

Hi Lonnie !

I'm on my second fibreglass tailspring (in 9 years !). They <do>
break - especially after sitting out in the sun for only 7 or 8 years ...
My old one was badly 'checked', and delaminated in 2 places, so
I finally retired it. I do know of ONE that was broken - by dropping the
Rebel from about 8 or 9 feet after a nose-over incident. The fibreglass
spring broke, and the rudder received a small dent.

I really like the fibreglass springs - they have more 'give', and
absorb more energy, but they are no longer available (the price tripled !)
If you are going to use fibreglass, though, you should SHORTEN it by
about 2" or more - the factory-supplied springs are a little too long
& wiggly. ====

The early aluminum tail springs were too thin, and went FLAT after
a few hours of pounding down the runway - the current versions are MUCH
thicker, so won't have that problem. They are, however, VERY stiff,
and don't provide a lot of shock absorbtion. Generally, they are OK
on HEAVIER Rebels, with heavier tailwheels, as the extra weight helps
bend them. I would still prefer the <shortened> fibreglass spring for
a lighter Rebel, with the Murphy tailwheel.(like my Rotax 912 powered

Rebel).

There is a width problem with either spring, as the Scott has
a wider opening, but there are spacers.

FWIW - the airport lore says:
"Maule tailwheels will develop a bad shimmy very quickly"
I have observed this personally on several aircraft - but maybe they
were just <very old> Maule's ....

.....bobp

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At 07:33 PM 1/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
The fiberglass spring is 1 3/4" wide by 18 1/2" long and will fit the

Scott

tail wheel. Scott has adapters for narrower springs.

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From: JimsRebel@aol.com <JimsRebel@aol.com>
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Tall Wheel Spring

Hi Lonnie
The Tail spring in my kit was an aluminum one(LG30-1) not fiberglass ,,,
seems
I heard that the fiberglass ones broke ??? but not sure about this.
I also plan on using a scott 3200 tail wheel but I dont have it yet so I
dont
know if it will fit on the aluminum spring ( about 1 5/8 width by 5/8
thick
).
What size is your spring??
Jim JimsRebel@aol.com

My Maule tail wheel is shimming very bad. Aprox 150 hrs.
If you have not already bought one get a Scott.
Rich bartman

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I agree, Alister - the Scott 3200 is probably the best choice.
Scott also make a 2200 pneumatic tailwheel, which is probably a better
size for the Rebel, but they are relatively rare, and cost almost as much
as the 3200. (Parts are likely more common for the 3200 ...)

.....bobp
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At 08:40 PM 1/6/99 +1300, you wrote:

Hi There,

I have got the latest aluminum tailwheel spring and the standard Murphy
tail wheel.

The spring is fine, but the Murphy tail wheel is not up to it if you intend
on going into
rougher airstrips, it takes an awful pounding with the solid rubber wheel
and transfers a lot of shocks up the fuse.

On rocky very narrow airstrips I have found that the Murphy supplied
tailwheel struggles to keep the aircraft straight in the final stages of
the landing, it tends to bounce and jump around a lot, I think a pneumatic
tyre on the tailwheel really is essential for this type of work. I have
managed to counter this tendency by keeping the tail high until the last
possible moment on landing on these types of airstrips..

The Scott 3200 tail wheel looks to be a very good choice although it will
tend to lift the tail a little higher for the landing attitude, I am
running the 850-6 tyres on the Rebel now so it wont make too much of a
difference.

Cheers

Alister Yeoman
----------
From: JimsRebel@aol.com
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Tall Wheel Spring
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 1:02 PM

Hi Lonnie
The Tail spring in my kit was an aluminum one(LG30-1) not fiberglass ,,,
seems
I heard that the fiberglass ones broke ??? but not sure about this.
I also plan on using a scott 3200 tail wheel but I dont have it yet so I
dont
know if it will fit on the aluminum spring ( about 1 5/8 width by 5/8
thick
).
What size is your spring??
Jim JimsRebel@aol.com

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Hi There

I agree that the Scott 3200 will fit the fiberglas tailspring from MAM.
However, it does NOT fit the aluminium tailspring from MAM so beware.

Brian

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You would have to shim it on each side as the Scott tailwheel is meant for a
1.75" tailspring. You can see information in the Aircraft Spruce catalogue.
They sell the Scott wheel, a number of tailsprings but not the exact size
for
the Scott.

Brian #328R

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Hi

Early, early kits I understand had aluminum tailsprings. Early kits like
mine, (#328), had fiberglas tailsprings. However, I now understand that
less
early kits now have aluminium springs once again.

Brian

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Sorry I haven't answered this sooner.

I got the fiberglass spring with my kit. It flew with it and we found
it very "bouncey". The airplane dropped off a ladder while doing a
weight and balance and totally shattered it.

We replace the fiberglss with the older aluminum 6061 tail spring. It
flattened out in a matter of monthes.

We replaced the 6061 spring with the steel two leaf that they offered
for a time. It flattened out over the winter.

We replaced the steel leaf with the new 7075 spring. It has been on two
years now and works with no problems and hasn't flattened one bit.

We are using and have always used the Scott tailwheel.

Keith Kinden made a suggestion at the very beginning that I think is
valid. The wheel must be paralell with the ground to avoid chatter and
wild manuevers. The aluminum spring can just be squeezed in a vise to
flatten to the desired angle. All other styles require tapered shims.

The Scott is available in two spring widths. The one that is right will
work fine on all springs. I think it is the 1 1\2". All springs will
work with it.

And that is all I have to say about that.

Dave Bangle

Lonnie Benson wrote:

I have a Scott 3200 tail wheel for my Rebel. Should I use the MAM
supplied fiberglass spring or would I be better off using something
else? What are others using with their Scott and Maul tail wheels?

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Sorry I haven't answered this sooner.
I got the fiberglass spring with my kit.  It flew with it and we
found it very "bouncey".  The airplane dropped off a ladder while
doing a weight and balance and totally shattered it.
We replace the fiberglss with the older aluminum 6061 tail spring. 
It flattened out in a matter of monthes.
We replaced the 6061 spring with the steel two leaf that they offered
for a time.  It flattened out over the winter.
We replaced the steel leaf with the new 7075 spring.  It has been
on two years now and works with no problems and hasn't flattened one bit.
We are using and have always used the Scott tailwheel.
Keith Kinden made a suggestion at the very beginning that I think is
valid.  The wheel must be paralell with the ground to avoid chatter
and wild manuevers.  The aluminum spring can just be squeezed in a
vise to flatten to the desired angle.  All other styles require tapered
shims.
The Scott is available in two spring widths.  The one that is right
will work fine on all springs.  I think it is the 1 1\2".  All
springs will work with it.
And that is all I have to say about that.
Dave Bangle
Lonnie Benson wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> I have
a Scott 3200 tail wheel for my Rebel.  Should I use the MAM supplied
fiberglass spring or would I be better off using something else? 
What are others using with their Scott and Maul tail
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Dave: =20

Thanks for the reply. Murphy is sending me a replacement for my =
fiberglass spring. The fiberglass spring is 1 3/4" wide and just fits =
my Scott 3200. When you said that the wheel must be parallel with the =
runway did you mean vertical? If not, could you explain further. In =
the June 1998 issue of LIGHT PLANE MAINTENANCE there was an article =
titled "Tailwheel Tips" that had some great drawings of the Scott 3200 =
tailwheel and some info on rigging tailwheels.
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To: (Murphy Rebel) <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: Tall Wheel Spring
=20
=20
Sorry I haven't answered this sooner.=20
I got the fiberglass spring with my kit. It flew with it and we =
found it very "bouncey". The airplane dropped off a ladder while doing =
a weight and balance and totally shattered it.=20

We replace the fiberglss with the older aluminum 6061 tail spring. =
It flattened out in a matter of monthes.=20

We replaced the 6061 spring with the steel two leaf that they =
offered for a time. It flattened out over the winter.=20

We replaced the steel leaf with the new 7075 spring. It has been on =
two years now and works with no problems and hasn't flattened one bit.=20

We are using and have always used the Scott tailwheel.=20

Keith Kinden made a suggestion at the very beginning that I think is =
valid. The wheel must be paralell with the ground to avoid chatter and =
wild manuevers. The aluminum spring can just be squeezed in a vise to =
flatten to the desired angle. All other styles require tapered shims.=20

The Scott is available in two spring widths. The one that is right =
will work fine on all springs. I think it is the 1 1\2". All springs =
will work with it.=20

And that is all I have to say about that.=20

Dave Bangle=20

Lonnie Benson wrote:=20

I have a Scott 3200 tail wheel for my Rebel. Should I use the =
MAM supplied fiberglass spring or would I be better off using something =
else? What are others using with their Scott and Maul tail wheels?

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must be=20
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explain=20
further.  In the June 1998 issue of LIGHT PLANE MAINTENANCE  =
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I got the fiberglass spring with my kit.  It flew with it =
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found it very "bouncey".  The airplane dropped off a =
ladder=20
while doing a weight and balance and totally shattered it.=20
We replace the fiberglss with the older aluminum 6061 tail =
spring. =20
It flattened out in a matter of monthes.=20
We replaced the 6061 spring with the steel two leaf that they =
offered for=20
a time.  It flattened out over the winter.=20
We replaced the steel leaf with the new 7075 spring.  It has =
been on=20
two years now and works with no problems and hasn't flattened one =
bit.=20
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Keith Kinden made a suggestion at the very beginning that I think =
is=20
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chatter and=20
wild manuevers.  The aluminum spring can just be squeezed in a =
vise to=20
flatten to the desired angle.  All other styles require tapered =
shims.=20
The Scott is available in two spring widths.  The one that =
is right=20
will work fine on all springs.  I think it is the 1 =
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All springs will work with it.=20
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Hi Lonny,

Lonnie Benson wrote:

Dave: Thanks for the reply. Murphy is sending me a replacement for
my fiberglass spring. The fiberglass spring is 1 3/4" wide and just
fits my Scott 3200. When you said that the wheel must be parallel
with the runway did you mean vertical? If not, could you explain
further.

The top of the tailwheel rotates on a surface. This surface must be
parallel to the runway or the pivot action gets weird. It won't turn
freely in all attitudes if not parallel

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Hi Lonny,
Lonnie Benson wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> Dave: Thanks
for the reply.  Murphy is sending me a replacement for my fiberglass
spring.  The fiberglass spring is 1 3/4" wide and just fits my Scott
3200.  When you said that the wheel must be parallel with the runway
did you mean vertical?  If not, could you explain
further.
The top of the tailwheel rotates on
a surface.  This surface must be parallel to the runway or the pivot
action gets weird.  It won't turn freely in all attitudes if not
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