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Inspection Holes

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:52 pm
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Hi Folks;
I'm new to the list. I'm working in the cabin area of the fuselage. =
My question today concerns access to the three AN-3 bolts at the ends =
of the FUS-5 carrythroughs. The aft end of the bolts will be buried =
between the front inside corner wrap and FUS-26. I have an inspection =
hole in FUS -26 for access to the rear mounting bolt for the Spring =
Gear, but its not large enough to provide access to the three bolts. =
What have other builders done about this problem? Is it a problem?

Lonnie Benson 171R
Fairfax, VA

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Inspection Holes

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:52 pm
by Mike Davis
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Lonnie,

Welcome to the Rebel list.

The rear outside bolt is the only one that is enclosed. The forward outside
bolt as well as the single inboard bolt are accessible from the inside of
the cabin.

Dave & Bert Klimas
Rebel #472
Ramona, CA
EAA Chapter 14
Hi Folks;
I'm new to the list. I'm working in the cabin area of the fuselage.
My question today concerns access to the three AN-3 bolts at the ends of
the FUS-5 carrythroughs. The aft end of the bolts will be buried between
the front inside corner wrap and FUS-26. I have an inspection hole in FUS
-26 for access to the rear mounting bolt for the Spring Gear, but its not
large enough to provide access to the three bolts. What have other
builders done about this problem? Is it a problem?

Lonnie Benson 171R
Fairfax, VA




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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:52 pm
by Mike Davis
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Dave:

Thanks for your input, however the bolts I was refering to are the small
AN-3's that go horizontal through the carrythroughs, door posts FUS 4, and
the bottom carrythrough gussets FUS-2.
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Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Inspection Holes

Lonnie,

Welcome to the Rebel list.

The rear outside bolt is the only one that is enclosed. The forward outside
bolt as well as the single inboard bolt are accessible from the inside of
the cabin.

Dave & Bert Klimas
Rebel #472
Ramona, CA
EAA Chapter 14
Hi Folks;
I'm new to the list. I'm working in the cabin area of the fuselage.
My question today concerns access to the three AN-3 bolts at the ends of
the FUS-5 carrythroughs. The aft end of the bolts will be buried between
the front inside corner wrap and FUS-26. I have an inspection hole in FUS
-26 for access to the rear mounting bolt for the Spring Gear, but its not
large enough to provide access to the three bolts. What have other
builders done about this problem? Is it a problem?

Lonnie Benson 171R
Fairfax, VA


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Inspection Holes

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:52 pm
by Mike Davis
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Hi Lonnie,

If you are working on that area, it may pay to contact Murphy regarding
some possible changes in the mounting of the straddle brackets on the
outside of the spring gear to the carrythroughs, their present system is
being improved I believe.

Also when you make the inspection hole for the rear spring gear attach
bolt, make sure you can get it off easily with the strut on, this bolt does
need to be looked at regularly!!

Cheers

Alister Yeoman
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From: Lonnie Benson <lonben@erols.com>
To: Murphy Rebel <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Subject: Inspection Holes
Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 7:54 AM

Hi Folks;
I'm new to the list. I'm working in the cabin area of the fuselage.
My question today concerns access to the three AN-3 bolts at the ends of
the FUS-5 carrythroughs. The aft end of the bolts will be buried between
the front inside corner wrap and FUS-26. I have an inspection hole in FUS
-26 for access to the rear mounting bolt for the Spring Gear, but its not
large enough to provide access to the three bolts. What have other
builders done about this problem? Is it a problem?

Lonnie Benson 171R
Fairfax, VA




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Hi, Lonnie !!!

Welcome to the list !!
....bobp

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At 10:54 AM 12/11/98 -0800, you wrote:
Hi Folks;
I'm new to the list. I'm working in the cabin area of the fuselage.
My question today concerns access to the three AN-3 bolts at the ends of the
FUS-5 carrythroughs. The aft end of the bolts will be buried between the
front inside corner wrap and FUS-26. I have an inspection hole in FUS -26
for access to the rear mounting bolt for the Spring Gear, but its not large
enough to provide access to the three bolts. What have other builders done
about this problem? Is it a problem?
Lonnie Benson 171R
Fairfax, VA


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INSPECTION HOLES

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:52 am
by Jones, Michael
HI ALL


can someone suggest number of screws to use on the inspection holes in the
wings, thats 2 covers at the strut and 2 holes, one at wing root hing and
one at the middle hinge, my manual does not seem to mention anything about
the cover plates for these holes

thanx

mike#007

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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:52 am
by Drew Dalgleish
I think there's 6 on the ones on my floats. That should be plenty

At 07:18 AM 1/14/2004 -0500, you wrote:
HI ALL


can someone suggest number of screws to use on the inspection holes in the
wings, thats 2 covers at the strut and 2 holes, one at wing root hing and
one at the middle hinge, my manual does not seem to mention anything about
the cover plates for these holes

thanx

mike#007

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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:52 am
by klehman
Hi Mike

There is a bulletin about the two inspection holes at the strut mount.
One each side of the main spar. It has suggested size and rivet spacing
and uses three 10-32 screws and nutplates per cover. I did not put any
holes near the hinges.

If you really mean another one at the wing root, be cautious. MAM
strongly discouraged me from putting one there and suggested some
serious engineering would be required.

Ken
HI ALL

can someone suggest number of screws to use on the inspection holes in the
wings, thats 2 covers at the strut and 2 holes, one at wing root hing and
one at the middle hinge, my manual does not seem to mention anything about
the cover plates for these holes

thanx

mike#007

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INSPECTION HOLES

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:52 am
by Jones, Michael
the manual calls for inspection hole at trailing edge of wing root to
inspect aileron hinges, is this the hole you say man does not like, or are
you referring to leading edge ??

got reply from brian about strut inspection holes and he said 6 8-32 screws
for each, think I will do 8 to be safe and add doublers

can you supply bulletin number so I can check if I have it

thank

mike

pHs did you go to meeting, to cold for me but was working on wing, got fuel
tanks in and resealed, its not hard to work with, just went slow and small
batches, but very sticky and smelly

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Hi Mike

There is a bulletin about the two inspection holes at the strut mount.
One each side of the main spar. It has suggested size and rivet spacing
and uses three 10-32 screws and nutplates per cover. I did not put any
holes near the hinges.

If you really mean another one at the wing root, be cautious. MAM
strongly discouraged me from putting one there and suggested some
serious engineering would be required.

Ken
HI ALL

can someone suggest number of screws to use on the inspection holes in the
wings, thats 2 covers at the strut and 2 holes, one at wing root hing and
one at the middle hinge, my manual does not seem to mention anything about
the cover plates for these holes

thanx

mike#007

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INSPECTION HOLES

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:52 am
by Murray Cherkas
Mike:

MAM sells some sizes of cover plates.These are the ones that have a clip on
the back for easy removal(no screws). MAM also sold me about a 2 1/2" one
with 6 holes in it.I had to make a big one about 5 1/2" round. I put in 8
screws.Not sure if this is 100% correct but it worked for me.

Good Luck
Murray

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HI ALL


can someone suggest number of screws to use on the inspection holes in the
wings, thats 2 covers at the strut and 2 holes, one at wing root hing and
one at the middle hinge, my manual does not seem to mention anything about
the cover plates for these holes

thanx

mike#007

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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am
by Mike Betti
Hi builders,
I plan on not hidding anything under the floor of my Elite. All
plumbing, wiring done on the surface. I need some way of inspecting the
floor area between the outer skin and inner floor. I was thinking of
drilling a say .5" hole in the outer floor skin between every bulkhead.
Then I can use my borescope for inspections as needed. I would need to
come up with some sort of way to plug the holes which I haven't come up
with yet. Any discusion on this idea is welcome?

I haven't seen any feed back on the flap handle mounting in the rooftop
I inquired on last week. Anyway, Nigel, it looks like the handle
assembly isn't going to come out too easily for service and drilling out
of a couple rivets is going to be the least of it. So I am opting for
only boring the round holes and not notching out as instructed.

Mike Betti
771E



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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am
by Mike Kimball
I missed the email about roof mounted flap handle. I have my flap handle on
the roof. I uploaded a bunch of pics and specs to the archives ages ago.
Maybe they would be helpful. Mine's a Super Rebel. The pics are in the
SR-Flaps section. If you have any questions, ask again and hopefully I
won't miss the item.

Mike

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Subject: Inspection holes

Hi builders,
I plan on not hidding anything under the floor of my Elite. All
plumbing, wiring done on the surface. I need some way of inspecting the
floor area between the outer skin and inner floor. I was thinking of
drilling a say .5" hole in the outer floor skin between every bulkhead.
Then I can use my borescope for inspections as needed. I would need to
come up with some sort of way to plug the holes which I haven't come up
with yet. Any discusion on this idea is welcome?

I haven't seen any feed back on the flap handle mounting in the rooftop
I inquired on last week. Anyway, Nigel, it looks like the handle
assembly isn't going to come out too easily for service and drilling out
of a couple rivets is going to be the least of it. So I am opting for
only boring the round holes and not notching out as instructed.

Mike Betti
771E



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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am
by Bob Andrews
Mike,

When I bought 612e, the flap handle was a rooftop installation ... and there
was some electrical wiring routed under the floor. During the tear down, I
removed all the rooftop flap handle stuff. In the rebuild, the flap handle
is going on the floor with the hyd hand pump (and handle) for the floats
right next to it. The ONLY thing planned to go under the floor is the flap
control cable run from the flap handle aft to a pulley, then up behind the
aft cabin area bulkhead, and then forward to a steel tube that connects both
flaps. Plan to route all wiring and float related hyd and elect lines on
the floor surface or sides. Currently thinking about running them along
(and on top of) the floor side wraps on the passenger side with a 0.020 sqr
tunnel cover screwed to the floor to cover them. Although I haven't given
it much thought (currently finishing up the bottom side wraps at the
firewall), think inspection holes (and covers) will need to go in the floor
for inspecting both the flap cable and for corrosion. Was thinking the same
size holes as the ones on the bottoms of the control surfaces for inspecting
the flap control cable areas. Your little holes sound like a good idea ...
a simple snap-in hole cap might answer the mail.

Bob 612e

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Subject: Inspection holes


Hi builders,
I plan on not hidding anything under the floor of my Elite. All
plumbing, wiring done on the surface. I need some way of inspecting the
floor area between the outer skin and inner floor. I was thinking of
drilling a say .5" hole in the outer floor skin between every bulkhead.
Then I can use my borescope for inspections as needed. I would need to
come up with some sort of way to plug the holes which I haven't come up
with yet. Any discusion on this idea is welcome?

I haven't seen any feed back on the flap handle mounting in the rooftop
I inquired on last week. Anyway, Nigel, it looks like the handle
assembly isn't going to come out too easily for service and drilling out
of a couple rivets is going to be the least of it. So I am opting for
only boring the round holes and not notching out as instructed.

Mike Betti
771E



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Inspection holes

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am
by Alan Hepburn
Bob:

I have my hydraulic pump and battery aft of the baggage area. I ran the
three hydraulic lines, battery cable, and elevator control lines along the
floor between the seats. On each side, there's a 3/4" aluminum angle, then
a cover of 0.032 secured with Tinnerman nuts. On top of the cover is the
water rudder retract handle (pic on the website, I think). Flaps are
electric, though floor mounted manual would be nice. I don't like the
standard arrangement hanging in front of your face, and it needs a lot of
undocumented re-inforcement in the cabin roof. Manual pump, together with
engine controls, are on a console under the instrument panel. So far, this
has not been a problem for crossing over to get out on the right float. I
used the holes in the side bulkheads for the fuel line (left) and a wiring
duct (right).

Regards, Al





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Inspection holes

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am
by Bob Patterson
Hi Bob !

One thought that has been done before - bend up an inverted
U channel or a witches hat out of clear Lexan to run the cables &
hoses through on the inside corner wraps. That way you can see
inside, instead of having to remove for inspection. The Lexan
is plenty strong to protect the tubing & wires ...

Similarly, several have made inspection covers out of Lexan -
saves having to remove them for a look ! :-)

......bobp

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On Sunday 11 September 2005 10:41 am, Bob Andrews wrote:
Mike,

When I bought 612e, the flap handle was a rooftop installation ... and
there
was some electrical wiring routed under the floor. During the tear down,
I
removed all the rooftop flap handle stuff. In the rebuild, the flap
handle
is going on the floor with the hyd hand pump (and handle) for the floats
right next to it. The ONLY thing planned to go under the floor is the
flap
control cable run from the flap handle aft to a pulley, then up behind the
aft cabin area bulkhead, and then forward to a steel tube that connects
both
flaps. Plan to route all wiring and float related hyd and elect lines on
the floor surface or sides. Currently thinking about running them along
(and on top of) the floor side wraps on the passenger side with a 0.020
sqr
tunnel cover screwed to the floor to cover them. Although I haven't given
it much thought (currently finishing up the bottom side wraps at the
firewall), think inspection holes (and covers) will need to go in the
floor
for inspecting both the flap cable and for corrosion. Was thinking the
same
size holes as the ones on the bottoms of the control surfaces for
inspecting
the flap control cable areas. Your little holes sound like a good
idea ...
a simple snap-in hole cap might answer the mail.

Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:04 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Inspection holes


Hi builders,
I plan on not hidding anything under the floor of my Elite. All
plumbing, wiring done on the surface. I need some way of inspecting the
floor area between the outer skin and inner floor. I was thinking of
drilling a say .5" hole in the outer floor skin between every bulkhead.
Then I can use my borescope for inspections as needed. I would need to
come up with some sort of way to plug the holes which I haven't come up
with yet. Any discusion on this idea is welcome?

I haven't seen any feed back on the flap handle mounting in the rooftop
I inquired on last week. Anyway, Nigel, it looks like the handle
assembly isn't going to come out too easily for service and drilling out
of a couple rivets is going to be the least of it. So I am opting for
only boring the round holes and not notching out as instructed.

Mike Betti
771E



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