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At the request of one of our list members, I have set up a new mailing list
for owners of flying Rebels.

Our builders list is becoming fairly active now, we currently have 109
members, and while I hope many of those who have completed their Rebel
project already will continue to share their experience with those still
working, I agree that there needs to be a place to discuss life after the
garage.

As always, everyone is invited to participate in the new mailing list, but
let's remember, the primary purpose for the new list is discussion for
completed Rebel owners, not initial construction topics.

To join, send an e-mail to:

list-server@dcsol.com

subject may be left blank
on first line of message starting all the way to the left, enter:

join flying-rebels
or
digest flying-rebels

Digest just sends you one message a day, with all messages posted that day
in it. That's it. To leave the list, you would again send a message to:
list-server@dcsol.com but in the message put:

leave flying-rebels

I'm looking into the possibility of constructing the lists as follows:

building-rebels < for initial construction discussion
flying-rebels < for completed project discussion
murphy-rebels < as a "Super-List" that would contain all posts to both
"building-rebels" and "flying-rebels"

As I said, I'm looking into this, I'm not sure how (if) this would work yet.
For instance, if you subscribe to the "Super-List" and post a message about
construction, where does it go. As I get more specifics about the
possibilities, I'll let everyone know.

For now... If you've got a completed Rebel, join our new discussion group:
flying-rebels@dcsol.com

Mike




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Mike I'm a little concerned with this append in that it may syphon off some
of
the experienced Rebel builders that we rely on to give us (still
building'rs)
guidance. There's nothing like the bin there done it to help those still
struggling, especially at a time when the list finally seems to be taking
off.
I don't have problem with those that are complete chatting about there
experiences on this forum (not sure how others feel ...but my delete key
still
works fine) and it won't bother me. I'm also sure that anything re mods or
upgrades those completed are thinking of will be of interest to those
building
as they may be able to incorporate them at an earlier stage. Fact is i can't
think of anything that the completeds' might talk about that I wouldn't be
interested in. (we all still have that old delete key if needed as I'm sure
the
completed guys must also have)
Would like to hear the arguments for the new list ...may whole heartedly
agree. But in the mean time I'm signed concerned ...Wray 306R

Mike Davis wrote:

At the request of one of our list members, I have set up a new mailing

list

for owners of flying Rebels.

Our builders list is becoming fairly active now, we currently have 109
members, and while I hope many of those who have completed their Rebel
project already will continue to share their experience with those still
working, I agree that there needs to be a place to discuss life after the
garage.

As always, everyone is invited to participate in the new mailing list, but
let's remember, the primary purpose for the new list is discussion for
completed Rebel owners, not initial construction topics.

To join, send an e-mail to:

list-server@dcsol.com

subject may be left blank
on first line of message starting all the way to the left, enter:

join flying-rebels
or
digest flying-rebels

Digest just sends you one message a day, with all messages posted that day
in it. That's it. To leave the list, you would again send a message to:
list-server@dcsol.com but in the message put:

leave flying-rebels

I'm looking into the possibility of constructing the lists as follows:

building-rebels < for initial construction discussion
flying-rebels < for completed project discussion
murphy-rebels < as a "Super-List" that would contain all posts to both
"building-rebels" and "flying-rebels"

As I said, I'm looking into this, I'm not sure how (if) this would work

yet.

For instance, if you subscribe to the "Super-List" and post a message

about

construction, where does it go. As I get more specifics about the
possibilities, I'll let everyone know.

For now... If you've got a completed Rebel, join our new discussion group:
flying-rebels@dcsol.com

Mike

--
Wray Thompson ...Rebel 306 ...home page http://www.globalserve.net/~cobbg/





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Mike, I share the same concern as Wray, the 5 or 6 emails a day that I
receive are not a problem to me, more data is goodness. Al Paxhia SR026

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From: Wray Thompson <wrayt@ibm.net>
To: (Murphy Rebel) <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: New list for flying Rebels
Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 6:16 PM

Mike I'm a little concerned with this append in that it may syphon off

some of

the experienced Rebel builders that we rely on to give us (still

building'rs)

guidance. There's nothing like the bin there done it to help those still
struggling, especially at a time when the list finally seems to be taking

off.

I don't have problem with those that are complete chatting about there
experiences on this forum (not sure how others feel ...but my delete key

still

works fine) and it won't bother me. I'm also sure that anything re mods

or

upgrades those completed are thinking of will be of interest to those

building

as they may be able to incorporate them at an earlier stage. Fact is i

can't

think of anything that the completeds' might talk about that I wouldn't

be

interested in. (we all still have that old delete key if needed as I'm

sure the

completed guys must also have)
Would like to hear the arguments for the new list ...may whole

heartedly

agree. But in the mean time I'm signed concerned ...Wray 306R

Mike Davis wrote:

At the request of one of our list members, I have set up a new mailing

list

for owners of flying Rebels.

Our builders list is becoming fairly active now, we currently have 109
members, and while I hope many of those who have completed their Rebel
project already will continue to share their experience with those

still

working, I agree that there needs to be a place to discuss life after

the

garage.

As always, everyone is invited to participate in the new mailing list,

but

let's remember, the primary purpose for the new list is discussion for
completed Rebel owners, not initial construction topics.

To join, send an e-mail to:

list-server@dcsol.com

subject may be left blank
on first line of message starting all the way to the left, enter:

join flying-rebels
or
digest flying-rebels

Digest just sends you one message a day, with all messages posted that

day

in it. That's it. To leave the list, you would again send a message

to:

list-server@dcsol.com but in the message put:

leave flying-rebels

I'm looking into the possibility of constructing the lists as follows:

building-rebels < for initial construction discussion
flying-rebels < for completed project discussion
murphy-rebels < as a "Super-List" that would contain all posts to

both

"building-rebels" and "flying-rebels"

As I said, I'm looking into this, I'm not sure how (if) this would work

yet.

For instance, if you subscribe to the "Super-List" and post a message

about

construction, where does it go. As I get more specifics about the
possibilities, I'll let everyone know.

For now... If you've got a completed Rebel, join our new discussion

group:

flying-rebels@dcsol.com

Mike

--
Wray Thompson ...Rebel 306 ...home page

http://www.globalserve.net/~cobbg/



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Greetings to all
I was the person that asked Mike to start a new list for flying Rebels.
My reasoning is:
As publisher of the Rebel Rouser I am concerned that it is slowly dying.
I feel the reason for this is that most builders are tired of seeing the
same questions appear over and over. This is not a criticism of you,
just new builders same questions.
Concerns about experienced builders leaving this list are valid. I
wonder how may of us there really are? I suspect not too many for the
same reasons. Bob Patterson seems to be the only one answering questions
who has completed a Rebel. But then I do not know each of you. May be
all you experienced builders should "log in" so we will know for sure.
As for all of us using the same list...too much email.

We currently do not have a way to communicate with owners of flying
Rebels. Basically "no fellowship"
The Rouser could be used for this but with it's 3 month lag time it is
not current.

There are bound to be growing pains as we try so serve everybody's needs
so lets all try to work together to solve the problems.

I would like to be the first to give "SEASONS GREETINGS" and a big thank
you to Mike for his time and resources.
Rich Bartman



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Wray,
I'm inclined to agree !! At this time, anyway....

I really don't NEED 2 lists to sort through (I already average
over 100 emails a day !!), and I can't think of anything I wouldn't be
interested in on either side.

Present builders are often adding nice features I might want
to retro-fit to my flying Rebel ....

....bobp

----------------------------orig.---------------------------------------
At 09:16 PM 12/10/98 -0500, you wrote:

Mike I'm a little concerned with this append in that it may syphon off some

of

the experienced Rebel builders that we rely on to give us (still

building'rs)

guidance. There's nothing like the bin there done it to help those still
struggling, especially at a time when the list finally seems to be taking

off.

I don't have problem with those that are complete chatting about there
experiences on this forum (not sure how others feel ...but my delete key

still

works fine) and it won't bother me. I'm also sure that anything re mods or
upgrades those completed are thinking of will be of interest to those

building

as they may be able to incorporate them at an earlier stage. Fact is i

can't

think of anything that the completeds' might talk about that I wouldn't be
interested in. (we all still have that old delete key if needed as I'm sure

the

completed guys must also have)
Would like to hear the arguments for the new list ...may whole heartedly
agree. But in the mean time I'm signed concerned ...Wray 306R

Mike Davis wrote:

At the request of one of our list members, I have set up a new mailing

list

for owners of flying Rebels.

Our builders list is becoming fairly active now, we currently have 109
members, and while I hope many of those who have completed their Rebel
project already will continue to share their experience with those still
working, I agree that there needs to be a place to discuss life after the
garage.

As always, everyone is invited to participate in the new mailing list,

but

let's remember, the primary purpose for the new list is discussion for
completed Rebel owners, not initial construction topics.

To join, send an e-mail to:

list-server@dcsol.com

subject may be left blank
on first line of message starting all the way to the left, enter:

join flying-rebels
or
digest flying-rebels

Digest just sends you one message a day, with all messages posted that

day

in it. That's it. To leave the list, you would again send a message to:
list-server@dcsol.com but in the message put:

leave flying-rebels

I'm looking into the possibility of constructing the lists as follows:

building-rebels < for initial construction discussion
flying-rebels < for completed project discussion
murphy-rebels < as a "Super-List" that would contain all posts to both
"building-rebels" and "flying-rebels"

As I said, I'm looking into this, I'm not sure how (if) this would work

yet.

For instance, if you subscribe to the "Super-List" and post a message

about

construction, where does it go. As I get more specifics about the
possibilities, I'll let everyone know.

For now... If you've got a completed Rebel, join our new discussion

group:

flying-rebels@dcsol.com

Mike

--
Wray Thompson ...Rebel 306 ...home page http://www.globalserve.net/~cobbg/

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Rich,

Thanks for the compliment, but there are SEVERAL other builders
who are flying who add VALUABLE info to this list - Dave Bangle and
Alister Yeoman come to mind immediately !

I always enjoy their input, whether it be flying stories,
flying techniques (fast/slow approach, etc.), or building tips - Dave's
'been there, done that' info is very useful to all ! We don't always
agree, but that's what homebuilding, and flying, is all about - gather
ideas and suggestions from all, then make up your OWN mind ...

We all enjoy the Rouser - it gives us photos & info that is
useful (not everyone HAS email !!). Subscribing to the Rouser is a
big PITA for us Canadians - we have to send CASH through the mail,
'cause you can't cash our cheques, or even bank drafts or mail money
orders. (I know, banks are a pain HERE, too ! :-( ) I will be
renewing shortly, as I don't want the Rouser to die. Perhaps you
should post the snail mail address & fee here once a month, or so,
as there may be subscribers who haven't seen the Rebel Rouser.

It could be that the Rouser could benefit from more FLYING
Rebel news, as well ...

For now, <I> would be just as happy to have ONE mail list.
It WOULD be nice to know who is flying - perhaps Mike would be kind
enough to keep a list of completed Rebels, if we all signed in.
For that matter, it'd be nice to know ALL of the list members, and
what they're building, percent completed, etc. This info could/should
only be available to list members....

.....bobp

--------------------------------orig.-----------------------------
At 07:13 PM 12/10/98 -0800, you wrote:

Greetings to all
I was the person that asked Mike to start a new list for flying Rebels.
My reasoning is:
As publisher of the Rebel Rouser I am concerned that it is slowly dying.
I feel the reason for this is that most builders are tired of seeing the
same questions appear over and over. This is not a criticism of you,
just new builders same questions.
Concerns about experienced builders leaving this list are valid. I
wonder how may of us there really are? I suspect not too many for the
same reasons. Bob Patterson seems to be the only one answering questions
who has completed a Rebel. But then I do not know each of you. May be
all you experienced builders should "log in" so we will know for sure.
As for all of us using the same list...too much email.

We currently do not have a way to communicate with owners of flying
Rebels. Basically "no fellowship"
The Rouser could be used for this but with it's 3 month lag time it is
not current.

There are bound to be growing pains as we try so serve everybody's needs
so lets all try to work together to solve the problems.

I would like to be the first to give "SEASONS GREETINGS" and a big thank
you to Mike for his time and resources.
Rich Bartman

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Subject: Re: New list for flying Rebels

Mike,

In reading over some of the replies, it would seem that what this group
needs is a searchable archive so that each one of us can ask (search) for
the answers to our questions and somewhat avoid having the same questions
come up over and again.

I realize that this is an e-mail based forum and that to many this may be
their only means of "cyber-communications". This e-mail forum has
definately become a part of my personal "Rebel building experience" and
perhaps many others.

I have seen several web based systems that make posting, reading and
searching quite easy. Check this one out as an example:
http://bbs.gwrra.org/gwboard/motorcycle/index.html

I'm not sure how many of our group have web access nor if this is something
that anyone else thinks is an idea worth pursuing.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Dave Klimas
Rebel #472
Ramona, CA
EAA Chapter 14





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My first thought was that having two lists might siphon off experienced
builders as well, but the more I thought about it, the more a beneficial
flip side became apparent. First, I think that most would probably
subscribe to both lists. Focussing conversation on flying might help draw
out neat experiences and stories that would help inspire those of us who are
still building. There are also a host of topics associated with operating
and maintaining an in-service Rebel that might get a more thorough
discussion. I also think that potential new builders investigating a future
Rebel purchase might find discussions on where someone went, or what new
improvement made a fantastic plane better, would be a more interesting
conversation than how FUS XX was riveted to FUS YY. A separate site would
also help attract the flying Rebel crowd and encourage discussion among them
that advanced comraderie. I think that many with flying Rebels would
continue to read and support the builder site, both because that's just the
kind of helpful people Rebel builders/flyers are, and also because some
pretty good new ideas come out of the new Rebels under construction that
they might want to use. I don't think that having 2 sites is any worse than
the many variations of newsgroup that exist under the alt.aviation.xxx, for
example. I, for one, would love to "lurk" during a conversation addressing
float flying techniques or some fun, back-country experience, especially
those that blew away the spancans! Or even just a quick note dashed off
that re-lived a routine trip that might have gone unmentioned on a site
focussed on building. I might even sneak in a question or two that, on the
surface, addressed flying performance, but beneath the surface said "Tell me
again and again how fun it's going to be to have a Rebel".

- Chuck Skorupa -
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From: Wray Thompson <wrayt@ibm.net>
To: (Murphy Rebel) <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: New list for flying Rebels

Mike I'm a little concerned with this append in that it may syphon off some

of

the experienced Rebel builders that we rely on to give us (still

building'rs)

guidance. There's nothing like the bin there done it to help those still
struggling, especially at a time when the list finally seems to be taking

off.

I don't have problem with those that are complete chatting about there
experiences on this forum (not sure how others feel ...but my delete key

still

works fine) and it won't bother me. I'm also sure that anything re mods or
upgrades those completed are thinking of will be of interest to those

building

as they may be able to incorporate them at an earlier stage. Fact is i

can't

think of anything that the completeds' might talk about that I wouldn't be
interested in. (we all still have that old delete key if needed as I'm sure

the

completed guys must also have)
Would like to hear the arguments for the new list ...may whole heartedly
agree. But in the mean time I'm signed concerned ...Wray 306R

Mike Davis wrote:

At the request of one of our list members, I have set up a new mailing

list

for owners of flying Rebels.

Our builders list is becoming fairly active now, we currently have 109
members, and while I hope many of those who have completed their Rebel
project already will continue to share their experience with those still
working, I agree that there needs to be a place to discuss life after the
garage.

As always, everyone is invited to participate in the new mailing list,

but

let's remember, the primary purpose for the new list is discussion for
completed Rebel owners, not initial construction topics.

To join, send an e-mail to:

list-server@dcsol.com

subject may be left blank
on first line of message starting all the way to the left, enter:

join flying-rebels
or
digest flying-rebels

Digest just sends you one message a day, with all messages posted that

day

in it. That's it. To leave the list, you would again send a message to:
list-server@dcsol.com but in the message put:

leave flying-rebels

I'm looking into the possibility of constructing the lists as follows:

building-rebels < for initial construction discussion
flying-rebels < for completed project discussion
murphy-rebels < as a "Super-List" that would contain all posts to both
"building-rebels" and "flying-rebels"

As I said, I'm looking into this, I'm not sure how (if) this would work

yet.

For instance, if you subscribe to the "Super-List" and post a message

about

construction, where does it go. As I get more specifics about the
possibilities, I'll let everyone know.

For now... If you've got a completed Rebel, join our new discussion

group:

flying-rebels@dcsol.com

Mike

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My vote is for one list and a digest (one mailing a day of the activity

for

the day) for those who want the slow the flow...

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I would like to add my voice to the "keep it to one list " movement.

Respecting Richards opinion about the completed owners interests, I have to
say
that their conversations would be most interesting to me as a builder for
the
reasons others have mentioned such as fixes that are revealed as necessary
by
flying the thing and just good interesting flying stories. The flying
stories
(like Rebel get togethers!!) give just that much more incentive to get at it
and
finish the job so you can get out and have some of that flying fun too.

BTW Richard, keep up the good work on the Rouser (we just re-upped a month
or 2
ago). It is a good compliment to this group and a good forum for the E-Mail
challenged. I think particularly, it is a good way to cover the non-time
critical
issues of building such as building ideas (customization) and accessories
and to
cover flying Rebel stories. We are keeping an eye on color schemes of the
featured
planes for when we get to that point also.

I have to say that I have been wondering why we haven't heard from more
flying
Rebels. How many are there out there that are just lurkng? Are you having
too
much fun flying to sit down in front of the computer? We builders can
always learn
something from their experience and it doesn't have to be just on building.

As for volume of mail, I subscribe to two lists and the quantity from both
is not
excesive so I would not be worried about the builders joining in. In fact
at about
100 members, this list is just reaching a critical mass where the feedback
is being
provided in sufficient variety of opinion to cover the topic well. I would
be
concerned about losing the most experienced members.

Wray Thompson wrote:

Mike I'm a little concerned with this append in that it may syphon off

some of

the experienced Rebel builders that we rely on to give us (still

building'rs)

guidance. There's nothing like the bin there done it to help those still
struggling, especially at a time when the list finally seems to be taking

off.

I don't have problem with those that are complete chatting about there
experiences on this forum (not sure how others feel ...but my delete key

still

works fine) and it won't bother me. I'm also sure that anything re mods or
upgrades those completed are thinking of will be of interest to those

building

as they may be able to incorporate them at an earlier stage. Fact is i

can't

think of anything that the completeds' might talk about that I wouldn't be
interested in.

Well said Wray!

(we all still have that old delete key if needed as I'm sure the
completed guys must also have)
Would like to hear the arguments for the new list ...may whole heartedly
agree. But in the mean time I'm signed concerned ...Wray 306R

OK, that is my $.02, comments?

Dave Ricker

Elite 583
Nova Scotia
Canada

Mike Davis wrote:

At the request of one of our list members, I have set up a new mailing

list

for owners of flying Rebels.

Our builders list is becoming fairly active now, we currently have 109
members, and while I hope many of those who have completed their Rebel
project already will continue to share their experience with those still
working, I agree that there needs to be a place to discuss life after

the

garage.

As always, everyone is invited to participate in the new mailing list,

but

let's remember, the primary purpose for the new list is discussion for
completed Rebel owners, not initial construction topics.

To join, send an e-mail to:

list-server@dcsol.com

subject may be left blank
on first line of message starting all the way to the left, enter:

join flying-rebels
or
digest flying-rebels

Digest just sends you one message a day, with all messages posted that

day

in it. That's it. To leave the list, you would again send a message

to:

list-server@dcsol.com but in the message put:

leave flying-rebels

I'm looking into the possibility of constructing the lists as follows:

building-rebels < for initial construction discussion
flying-rebels < for completed project discussion
murphy-rebels < as a "Super-List" that would contain all posts to

both

"building-rebels" and "flying-rebels"

As I said, I'm looking into this, I'm not sure how (if) this would work

yet.

For instance, if you subscribe to the "Super-List" and post a message

about

construction, where does it go. As I get more specifics about the
possibilities, I'll let everyone know.

For now... If you've got a completed Rebel, join our new discussion

group:

flying-rebels@dcsol.com

Mike

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Richard did you ever get my renewal letter and were you able to cash the
bank draft? Was it enough?

On the other subject before we kick off a new forum maybe a survey
amongst the completeds as to their wants and needs and if enough of them
feel they need it then go for it. Maybe we just need to encourage their
participation here a bit more ...as someone suggested all sign in and be
known ...BTW if you have photos of your completed air plane I would love a
copy to add to my web site.
Are there any ways we can encourage them to participate? I like the idea
of a list of people who have completed ...I'd be willing to add it to my
site and maintain it.
Richard if you feel the completeds don't want to have to read the rehashing
of building in the Rouser maybe split it into 2 section ...one for ongoing
construction and the other general chatting about the planes, trips,
experiences etc., then they could skip the rehash. Just some thoughts
....Wray


RICHARD BARTMAN wrote:

Greetings to all
I was the person that asked Mike to start a new list for flying Rebels.
My reasoning is:
As publisher of the Rebel Rouser I am concerned that it is slowly dying.
I feel the reason for this is that most builders are tired of seeing the
same questions appear over and over. This is not a criticism of you,
just new builders same questions.
Concerns about experienced builders leaving this list are valid. I
wonder how may of us there really are?............

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I will agree with Dave that this is a great idea, I have made use of the RV
archive a few times and found th search capability useful. One comment
though,
when the database gets as large as the RV version, break it up into
reasonable
size pieces to speed the search/read process and give an X + Y search
capability to zero in on the expression of interest.

Mike, is this an easy thing to do or would it require a lot of time on your
part? We don't want to ask you to let this get out of hand and interfere
with
your business.

It is worth repeating here that since Mike is doing this all on his own tab
we
are greatful for what he is doing,

Thanks Mike!

Dave R.
Elite 583

Dave Klimas wrote:

Mike,

In reading over some of the replies, it would seem that what this group
needs is a searchable archive so that each one of us can ask (search) for
the answers to our questions and somewhat avoid having the same questions
come up over and again.

I realize that this is an e-mail based forum and that to many this may be
their only means of "cyber-communications". This e-mail forum has
definately become a part of my personal "Rebel building experience" and
perhaps many others.

I have seen several web based systems that make posting, reading and
searching quite easy. Check this one out as an example:
http://bbs.gwrra.org/gwboard/motorcycle/index.html

I'm not sure how many of our group have web access nor if this is

something

that anyone else thinks is an idea worth pursuing.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Dave Klimas
Rebel #472
Ramona, CA
EAA Chapter 14

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Mike Davis Wrote:

SNIP

As for having or not having a separate list for completed projects, here's
how I think this can work for everybody...

If you are a member of "murphy-rebels" and you want to
post a message about building, you would post to "building-rebels". And
like-wise, if the message was in regards to flying, you'd post to
"flying-rebels". "murphy-rebels" would be a distribution list only, all
posts would go to either "flying" or "building" depending on their

content.

OK so does this mean that when you get a posted message from "building"
(re-directed from the combined "super" list) and hit reply, it goes back to
just
"building" where it originated or it goes to the super list or does it mean
that
you have to re-type the correct "to" address?

Thanks

Dave R.

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Since I've just received the software today, I really can't tell you that
much about it. However, if you'd like to see an example of what the archive
would look like, here is a list archive using the same software that I will
be using... http://www.iea-software.com/lists/ntisp/index.htm

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: David Ricker <ricker@dbis.ns.ca>
To: (Murphy Rebel) <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: New list for flying Rebels

I will agree with Dave that this is a great idea, I have made use of the RV
archive a few times and found th search capability useful. One comment

though,

when the database gets as large as the RV version, break it up into

reasonable

size pieces to speed the search/read process and give an X + Y search
capability to zero in on the expression of interest.

Mike, is this an easy thing to do or would it require a lot of time on your
part? We don't want to ask you to let this get out of hand and interfere

with

your business.

It is worth repeating here that since Mike is doing this all on his own tab

we

are greatful for what he is doing,

Thanks Mike!

Dave R.
Elite 583

Dave Klimas wrote:

Mike,

In reading over some of the replies, it would seem that what this group
needs is a searchable archive so that each one of us can ask (search) for
the answers to our questions and somewhat avoid having the same questions
come up over and again.

I realize that this is an e-mail based forum and that to many this may be
their only means of "cyber-communications". This e-mail forum has
definately become a part of my personal "Rebel building experience" and
perhaps many others.

I have seen several web based systems that make posting, reading and
searching quite easy. Check this one out as an example:
http://bbs.gwrra.org/gwboard/motorcycle/index.html

I'm not sure how many of our group have web access nor if this is

something

that anyone else thinks is an idea worth pursuing.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Dave Klimas
Rebel #472
Ramona, CA
EAA Chapter 14

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Mike,

That looks terrific, with the ability to sort by date, subject and author,
finding answers and following threads should be considerably easier.

Some folks are more computer literate than others. Perhaps an FAQ already
exists somewhere that provides quidelines for posting, quoting/snipping,
and replying.

Thanks Mike for your time and effort in undertaking this group's list. My
wife (co-builder) and I enjoy this forum and all the contributors.

"Happy Holidays"

Dave & Bert Klimas
Rebel #472
Ramona, CA
EAA Chapter 14

Since I've just received the software today, I really can't tell you that
much about it. However, if you'd like to see an example of what the

archive

would look like, here is a list archive using the same software that I will
be using... http://www.iea-software.com/lists/ntisp/index.htm

Mike

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