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Hi

Can anybody tell us how much paint they used to paint a Rebel? There is
very little in the archives on quantity required. Ballpark numbers would
be fine and I'd be interested in your answer no matter what type of
paint you used.

thanks
Ken




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Hi Ken !

Just rough ballpark, about a couple of gallons. Apparently,
if done right, weight increase should be only about 28 - 35 lb. ....

Can give you a much better number by October - hope to have
mine painted by then ! :-)

.....bobp

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At 09:32 PM 8/19/02 -0400, you wrote:

Hi

Can anybody tell us how much paint they used to paint a Rebel? There is
very little in the archives on quantity required. Ballpark numbers would
be fine and I'd be interested in your answer no matter what type of
paint you used.

thanks
Ken


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Ken,

I just painted my Rebel a few months ago and used Three gallons of color and two gallons of primer, and I painted on two coats of the color. I thought it best to buy four gallons of color because you don't want to run short. Now I have extra for touch up. Good luck and have fun. I really enjoyed the painting.

Bruce Georgen 367R

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Ken and all. I painted Rebel "652" using the following: (1) gallon zinc type
epoxy primer(very light yellow color-dries fast), (1) gallon gray primer,
also epoxy type and dries very quick, and (2) gallons of silver gray finish
coat. All of this paint is an acrythane 2 part epoxy type from "Seco". I was
very pleased with the coverage and durability. I even used the finish coat
on the fabric covered flaperons after testing on a sample prepared the
normal poly fiber method. This stuff does not crack when flexing the fabric
or when bending a painted piece of aluminum. when dry it is almost
impossible to scratch. I would recommend this paint to anyone. Best of
all-it is not very expensive.-Total cost for above with the necessary
thinners and hardeners was $560.00. It cost me $440.91 for the Stits
supplies just to do the flaperons.( 1 gal poly spray, 1 gal poly brush, 1
qt. poly tack, 1 gal reducer, but also including a qt. of the EP420 green
epox primer used on the airframe.-Hope this helps.-Go see your local Seco
dealer-The color choices are unlimited. Bob Rebel "652"-Flying Flying
(approaching 90 hrs)




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Bruce
Thanks for the info. What type of paint was that?
Ken

Legeorgen@cs.com wrote:

Ken,

I just painted my Rebel a few months ago and used Three gallons of
color and two gallons of primer, and I painted on two coats of the
color. I thought it best to buy four gallons of color because you
don't want to run short. Now I have extra for touch up. Good luck and
have fun. I really enjoyed the painting.

Bruce Georgen 367R

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Bob

Thanks. These numbers are much more encouraging than the 8 gallons that
Polyfiber seems to suggest purchasing at cdn$270. per gallon for two
coats of colour, or the 4 gallons that Randolph suggests at $170. per
gallon for only one coat of colour. The local suppliers want a month or
more lead time to deliver those and yes the colors available would be a
compromise for us.

I'm still undecided on paint type. My research so far suggests that the
automobile paint has a high probability of cracking after 5 to 10 years
when used on fabric. It seems that they gradually lose their
plasticisors and become less flexible over that time period. OTOH it
sounds like automobile paint is easier to spray, may provide much better
coverage per gallon, and the solid colors are reputed to be extremely
durable when used on aluminum. I don't mind spending more if it makes
the flaperons last longer but there is a limit.

Ken

Robert Johnson wrote:

Ken and all. I painted Rebel "652" using the following: (1) gallon zinc type
epoxy primer(very light yellow color-dries fast), (1) gallon gray primer,
also epoxy type and dries very quick, and (2) gallons of silver gray finish
coat. All of this paint is an acrythane 2 part epoxy type from "Seco". I was
very pleased with the coverage and durability. I even used the finish coat
on the fabric covered flaperons after testing on a sample prepared the
normal poly fiber method. This stuff does not crack when flexing the fabric
or when bending a painted piece of aluminum. when dry it is almost
impossible to scratch. I would recommend this paint to anyone. Best of
all-it is not very expensive.-Total cost for above with the necessary
thinners and hardeners was $560.00. It cost me $440.91 for the Stits
supplies just to do the flaperons.( 1 gal poly spray, 1 gal poly brush, 1
qt. poly tack, 1 gal reducer, but also including a qt. of the EP420 green
epox primer used on the airframe.-Hope this helps.-Go see your local Seco
dealer-The color choices are unlimited. Bob Rebel "652"-Flying Flying
(approaching 90 hrs)

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Hey Ken,

WOW on the paint prices. It's not much better, but have you asked
about 2-part marine paints for plastic and aluminum boats? Imron
comes to mind. Not cheap, but people paint a whole boat buying in
quart quantities. Not one quart maybe, but better than gallons! And
it withstands much "rougher" treatment and weather than an airplane I
would think.

Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Windsor, Ontario.
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:45:19 -0400, you wrote:

Bob

Thanks. These numbers are much more encouraging than the 8 gallons that
Polyfiber seems to suggest purchasing at cdn$270. per gallon for two
coats of colour, or the 4 gallons that Randolph suggests at $170. per
gallon for only one coat of colour. The local suppliers want a month or
more lead time to deliver those and yes the colors available would be a
compromise for us.

I'm still undecided on paint type. My research so far suggests that the
automobile paint has a high probability of cracking after 5 to 10 years
when used on fabric. It seems that they gradually lose their
plasticisors and become less flexible over that time period. OTOH it
sounds like automobile paint is easier to spray, may provide much better
coverage per gallon, and the solid colors are reputed to be extremely
durable when used on aluminum. I don't mind spending more if it makes
the flaperons last longer but there is a limit.

Ken

Robert Johnson wrote:

Ken and all. I painted Rebel "652" using the following: (1) gallon zinc type
epoxy primer(very light yellow color-dries fast), (1) gallon gray primer,
also epoxy type and dries very quick, and (2) gallons of silver gray finish
coat. All of this paint is an acrythane 2 part epoxy type from "Seco". I was
very pleased with the coverage and durability. I even used the finish coat
on the fabric covered flaperons after testing on a sample prepared the
normal poly fiber method. This stuff does not crack when flexing the fabric
or when bending a painted piece of aluminum. when dry it is almost
impossible to scratch. I would recommend this paint to anyone. Best of
all-it is not very expensive.-Total cost for above with the necessary
thinners and hardeners was $560.00. It cost me $440.91 for the Stits
supplies just to do the flaperons.( 1 gal poly spray, 1 gal poly brush, 1
qt. poly tack, 1 gal reducer, but also including a qt. of the EP420 green
epox primer used on the airframe.-Hope this helps.-Go see your local Seco
dealer-The color choices are unlimited. Bob Rebel "652"-Flying Flying
(approaching 90 hrs)

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Hi Ken,

Delta DGHS 4.4 VOC polyurethane is the paint I used. It is a very good paint. Difficult to spray and keep from running but I was very happy with the results. Practice on some card board and don't forget to wear a fresh air respirator!

Bruce G 357R

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Hi Ken
I used about 3/4 of a gallon painting the fabric, fiberglass and a
stripe down the side of my polished rebel. The cracking problems with
automotive paint is mostly with the old acrylic enamel paints. The
polyurathane paints are much better. There is also a flex agent that you
can add to the paint when you mix it. I used limco 1-2-3 brand paint and
it's worked very well except near the windows where it has peeled off
probably because of silicon contamination of the bare metal. Go to your
local automotive paint store tell them what you want to do and ask for
their advice. Most of these guys are used to dealing with amateurs like us
and are very helpful if you ask nicely. :)
Drew Dalgleish

At 01:45 AM 8/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Bob

Thanks. These numbers are much more encouraging than the 8 gallons that
Polyfiber seems to suggest purchasing at cdn$270. per gallon for two
coats of colour, or the 4 gallons that Randolph suggests at $170. per
gallon for only one coat of colour. The local suppliers want a month or
more lead time to deliver those and yes the colors available would be a
compromise for us.

I'm still undecided on paint type. My research so far suggests that the
automobile paint has a high probability of cracking after 5 to 10 years
when used on fabric. It seems that they gradually lose their
plasticisors and become less flexible over that time period. OTOH it
sounds like automobile paint is easier to spray, may provide much better
coverage per gallon, and the solid colors are reputed to be extremely
durable when used on aluminum. I don't mind spending more if it makes
the flaperons last longer but there is a limit.

Ken

Robert Johnson wrote:

Ken and all. I painted Rebel "652" using the following: (1) gallon zinc

type

epoxy primer(very light yellow color-dries fast), (1) gallon gray primer,
also epoxy type and dries very quick, and (2) gallons of silver gray finish
coat. All of this paint is an acrythane 2 part epoxy type from "Seco". I

was

very pleased with the coverage and durability. I even used the finish coat
on the fabric covered flaperons after testing on a sample prepared the
normal poly fiber method. This stuff does not crack when flexing the fabric
or when bending a painted piece of aluminum. when dry it is almost
impossible to scratch. I would recommend this paint to anyone. Best of
all-it is not very expensive.-Total cost for above with the necessary
thinners and hardeners was $560.00. It cost me $440.91 for the Stits
supplies just to do the flaperons.( 1 gal poly spray, 1 gal poly brush, 1
qt. poly tack, 1 gal reducer, but also including a qt. of the EP420 green
epox primer used on the airframe.-Hope this helps.-Go see your local Seco
dealer-The color choices are unlimited. Bob Rebel "652"-Flying Flying
(approaching 90 hrs)

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