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Rebel

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:51 pm
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Hello Rebel builders.
Just started getting your groups e-mails. I have a flying Rebel,O-235
powered, on the bungee gear. I have had to do some repairs on the gear but
it
was a problem I have to blame on my construction and not on the gear. The
problem had to do with the spacing of the rear attach points bulkheads which
for some reason on the right side was wider than called for. My error. I
noticed some wrinkling of the skin to the rear of the aft bulkhead.
Removing
the inside corner rounds showed where I went wrong and now all is fixed.
The
aircraft has about 90 hrs. to date, flys at 95-100mph @2450rpm,pretty much
hands off after trimming. It has old style cowl, larger 8.00x6" tires.
{real
airplane tires} I think this size tire inflated to around 20#'s helps in
taking a lot of the stress away from the gear. The field where I keep it is
grass and fairly rough, so the gear has held up well. I don't have any
complaints. I have installed VG's and they seem to help in landing. I no
longer have to worry about a high sink situation, that was common with my
aircraft, on slow approaches. The VG"s have not had any noticeable effect
on
cruise speeds. Got to run before I get too long winded.

Dan Stewart{WA state]



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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:51 pm
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Dan Stewart,

Welcome aboard.

No apologies necessary, anything you can share about your flying Rebel will
be read over and over by those of us still deburring and pulling rivets.

I've been thinking about VG's also. Could you share your experiences with
them? What size, shape, material, number, location on the wing? Now that we
have a site to place photos, if you have any pics of the installation...

Dave & Bert Klimas
Rebel #472
Ramona, CA
EAA Chapter 14
Hello Rebel builders.
Just started getting your groups e-mails. I have a flying Rebel,O-235
powered, on the bungee gear. I have had to do some repairs on the gear but
it
was a problem I have to blame on my construction and not on the gear. The
problem had to do with the spacing of the rear attach points bulkheads
which
for some reason on the right side was wider than called for. My error. I
noticed some wrinkling of the skin to the rear of the aft bulkhead.
Removing
the inside corner rounds showed where I went wrong and now all is fixed.
The
aircraft has about 90 hrs. to date, flys at 95-100mph @2450rpm,pretty much
hands off after trimming. It has old style cowl, larger 8.00x6" tires.
{real
airplane tires} I think this size tire inflated to around 20#'s helps in
taking a lot of the stress away from the gear. The field where I keep it
is
grass and fairly rough, so the gear has held up well. I don't have any
complaints. I have installed VG's and they seem to help in landing. I no
longer have to worry about a high sink situation, that was common with my
aircraft, on slow approaches. The VG"s have not had any noticeable effect
on
cruise speeds. Got to run before I get too long winded.

Dan Stewart{WA state]

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:26 pm
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That has to be THE MOST GLOWING REVIEW of the Rebel, ever !!! Thanks !!!

That seat belt attach fitting is why I suggest ordering seat cushions
thick enough to sit ABOVE it !! (about 8 " )
(Keeps my voice down in the normal range when I hop out ! ;-) )

Roland's Rebel is based just east of Orleans (Ottawa suburb). There is
at least one other Rebel there, too. Maybe we should have a Rebel Fly-Out
to Ottawa in October ??? Anybody else want to come along ?? Rolly knows an
excellent Turkish restaurant, and we could visit the National Aviation
Museum,
too....

Hope your paperwork is back in time to go to the MERFI fly-in in Ohio,
the second weekend in September. Should be easier to get permission to
fly to US by then ... (new web-based approval process !!)

....bobp

ps
I'm planning to fly up to visit "Tiverton Tom" soon - maybe we can
go together ....

--------------------------orig.----------------------------------------
At 10:17 PM 8/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
Thanks again Bob.

As everyone kept saying, keep building, it is worth it! Your sort of get
tired of hearing that when you have 2000 details to attend to in order to
get it in the air, but, everyone that said it was right!

This is indeed the nicest airplane I have flown. I really enjoyed the
Super Cub with 150 HP, but, I would never trade the Rebel for the Super
Cub. It flies much faster, significantly slower, climbs better, far easier
to get in & out of, (despite the location of the seat belt attach at the
door), lands better and take offs are easier now that I found the sweet
spot on the take off nose attitude, (sorry for the rambling sentences, my
English teacher would be ashamed).

Hope to see more Rebels at the September meeting. BTW, where is Roland
Acorn? Would love to see his machine as well.

Best Regards

Brian #328R


At 10:55 PM 16/08/99 -0400, you wrote:
Thanks ! I'm still a' peeling - from the sunburn :-) But the flight
home was GREAT !!

It would be great if you could make it up for the September meeting -
it's Sunday, september 19th, at 1 pm, as usual. The meeting is moved back
a week, because several of us want to fly down to Marion, OHIO, for the
MERFI fly-in on the second weekend in Sept. .... Maybe we'll see you
there,
too ?

All of you new Rebel builders are more than welcome to come to the
Rebel Builders of Ontario meetings, at the RAA clubhouse at the north end
of Brampton Airport (NC3 - or is it now CNC3 or CYNC3 ????) just
north-west
of Toronto. Fly in or drive in & share the experience of other builders.

Speaking of experience - Brian Cross has almost finished flying off
the
test time on his new Rebel, and is now often seen walking across the
airport
about a foot up in the air, wearing a BIG smile !!! Congratulations again
on completing a very nice Rebel.
.....bobp

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At 09:22 PM 8/16/99 EDT, you wrote:
Hi Bob,
Sure hope you're feeling better. Looked like the fun really got
taken
out of OSH for you. First time I've ever seen you when you're side of
the
conversation was only one sentence! Really though, glad the heat didn't
effect your ride home. I'll try to make the Sept. meeting with Dave, but
I
haven't had a chance to even talk to him but once since OSH.
Nice to see a new bunch of names on the site, I guess someone
should
let them know that the archives are a great resource, but it's also fun
for
them to let us give our opinions again. See you soon,
Curt N97MR
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Rebel

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm
by Charles Dixon
I have been reading the Rebel e-mail for about a year now.I knew this
was the plane I wanted but with the present job here in the Gulf of
Mexico I did not have time to build one,so I bought one that was already
flying(Al Colburn's).Did three touch and go's(squirrelly on the ground
with the small MAM tailwheel(,then flew it 9 hrs from Minn. to
Mississippi with one stop.After reading the e-mail on gear failures,tail
post problems,windshield ect, I got in touch with Wayne O'Shea on doing
some
work on it for me.He agreed and did the following work for me after my
11 hrs of flying to his place(what a great cross country plane)
Stuff done was: Firewall reinforcing plates (upper only as conical
engine mount), double rivet row up the main door posts, fuel tank leak
repairs(this was a nightmare so take special care in sealing your
tanks), tail post doubler Service Bulletin (created by Wayne) C/W and
.032 doubler from tail post to tail spring attach bulkhead
fabricated/installed. Also steel tail spring (to replace old aluminum
one), torque tube hanger channel replaced with a heavier one (as
original was buckled), lexan windshield removed and replaced with MAM's
(L & P Aero's) moulded windshield(Everybody should put this windshield
in). O'Shea's Irish Field Aviation's compression spring gear struts
installed to replace bungees."Alaskan" style safety cables installed on
struts, MAM wheels replaced with McCauley's wheels and brakes to allow
installation of Gar Aero Adapter rings for 28x11x10 Tundra tires, Gordon
Mhor's gear pivots installed, removed gill battery,he fabricated a new
tray(I could not get the battery out w/o removing the battery tray with
the battery in it) and installed Oddessy Personal Watercraft battery (PC
625)on firewall(only about 10 lbs). H.D. elevator cable covers installed
so the Alaskan moose meat doesn't squash them and a cover installed over
the mixer arm and bellcranks so moose horns don't get stuck in there!,
window vents, etc.and a bunch of other little things!.I was VERY pleased
with the quality of work and he did all of this under 90 hrs of labor.If
any of you are anywhere near his place(like me @ 1000 miles) and one
long day of flying)and need any expert advise on what and how to do
something to your REBEL give him a call.His family's hospitality is
great (His wife loves almonds)
I will be flying my Rebel off Alaskan Artic gravel bars.I have a
Sensenich 74" prop now on my 115HP Lyc.I plan on using the new ground
adjustable Ivo Prop 4.5 Magnum at 76" (when available).I will update the
site on how the Rebel performs and holds up to North country bush!!Feel
free to e-mail me with any questions.
C Dixon
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm
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Charles, THANKS for the "plug", great to hear that you are happy with the
work we performed on your Rebel! (Honest everyone, he didn't get any
discount for the story!!!!) Just remember Charles, the Rebel will outperform
the Super Cub but the landing gear isn't quite as robust! Watch out that
those "gravel bars" from 500 feet up are not really boulders from 5 feet
up!!!!!

Keep it shinny side up! (and it was my daughters that ate the 2 gallons of
almonds you brought up here!)

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Dixon <charlesd@crookedhole.com>
To: Murphy- Rebel <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:49 PM
Subject: Rebel

I have been reading the Rebel e-mail for about a year now.I knew this
was the plane I wanted but with the present job here in the Gulf of
Mexico I did not have time to build one,so I bought one that was already
flying(Al Colburn's).Did three touch and go's(squirrelly on the ground
with the small MAM tailwheel(,then flew it 9 hrs from Minn. to
Mississippi with one stop.After reading the e-mail on gear failures,tail
post problems,windshield ect, I got in touch with Wayne O'Shea on doing
some
work on it for me.He agreed and did the following work for me after my
11 hrs of flying to his place(what a great cross country plane)
Stuff done was: Firewall reinforcing plates (upper only as conical
engine mount), double rivet row up the main door posts, fuel tank leak
repairs(this was a nightmare so take special care in sealing your
tanks), tail post doubler Service Bulletin (created by Wayne) C/W and
.032 doubler from tail post to tail spring attach bulkhead
fabricated/installed. Also steel tail spring (to replace old aluminum
one), torque tube hanger channel replaced with a heavier one (as
original was buckled), lexan windshield removed and replaced with MAM's
(L & P Aero's) moulded windshield(Everybody should put this windshield
in). O'Shea's Irish Field Aviation's compression spring gear struts
installed to replace bungees."Alaskan" style safety cables installed on
struts, MAM wheels replaced with McCauley's wheels and brakes to allow
installation of Gar Aero Adapter rings for 28x11x10 Tundra tires, Gordon
Mhor's gear pivots installed, removed gill battery,he fabricated a new
tray(I could not get the battery out w/o removing the battery tray with
the battery in it) and installed Oddessy Personal Watercraft battery (PC
625)on firewall(only about 10 lbs). H.D. elevator cable covers installed
so the Alaskan moose meat doesn't squash them and a cover installed over
the mixer arm and bellcranks so moose horns don't get stuck in there!,
window vents, etc.and a bunch of other little things!.I was VERY pleased
with the quality of work and he did all of this under 90 hrs of labor.If
any of you are anywhere near his place(like me @ 1000 miles) and one
long day of flying)and need any expert advise on what and how to do
something to your REBEL give him a call.His family's hospitality is
great (His wife loves almonds)
I will be flying my Rebel off Alaskan Artic gravel bars.I have a
Sensenich 74" prop now on my 115HP Lyc.I plan on using the new ground
adjustable Ivo Prop 4.5 Magnum at 76" (when available).I will update the
site on how the Rebel performs and holds up to North country bush!!Feel
free to e-mail me with any questions.
C Dixon
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:27 pm
by travis underwood
Got the rebel pictures today...Thanks. Just a couple
of questions

Which Subaru mod vendor does the engine come from?

Are there any fuel tank leaks?

When are you moving to Arizona and where in Arizona?
Just curious, if you will be bringing the plane down
here so I could see it in person.

Thanks,

Travis Underwood

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:39 pm
by Mike Davis
I know this is in Alaska, and that might pose a problem, but still, seems
like a pretty good deal.

Mike

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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:41 PM
Subject: rebel

Mike
Do you know anyone interested in a Rebel project? built by a retired AK.
airlines lead mech. IA. (deceased) It is about 85-90% completed , comes w/
rebuilt 0290 D2 135 hp Lyc. and rebel amphib. floats ( in the box) exclnt
workmanship, son is asking $35K for everthing located in seldovia I
already
have a project.
Butch
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:39 pm
by Drew and Jan
I don't think you can import a partially built plane into canada but isn't
that right in mike driscols neighborhood?
Drew

At 10:43 PM 1/16/01 -0900, you wrote:
I know this is in Alaska, and that might pose a problem, but still, seems
like a pretty good deal.

Mike

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Subject: rebel

Mike
Do you know anyone interested in a Rebel project? built by a retired AK.
airlines lead mech. IA. (deceased) It is about 85-90% completed , comes w/
rebuilt 0290 D2 135 hp Lyc. and rebel amphib. floats ( in the box) exclnt
workmanship, son is asking $35K for everthing located in seldovia I
already
have a project.
Butch
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:17 pm
by scott.hibbs
Congratulations! I get excited just hearing your story.

Scott Hibbs
hibbs@pacifier.com


On 10/14/2001 5:40 AM, OB.JOHNSON@SYMPATICO.CA wrote to MURPHY-REBEL-D:

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:59 pm
by Mike Davis
Figured the list would have a better go at this than me alone...

Mike

----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Cady (JeffreyCady@hotmail.com)
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Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 11:26 AM
Subject: Rebel



I have found an early Rebel kit partially constructed. Other than the workmanship, are there items I need to be concerned with? Are there kit mods? Are later kits more desirable?
Also, I'm planning to use amphib. floats. Other than Murphy, what floats have been used, and your preference.

Thank You, Jeff
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Rebel

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:59 pm
by klehman
What number?

Upgrades since Rebel 119 include thicker tail wrap and easier to install
tail spring bulkhead, a formed windshield, a stainless firewall, thicker
corner wraps to the firewall, upgraded 1650# landing gear, upgraded
wheels and brakes, 1650# wing root upgrade, 1650# wing spar cap upgrade,
new control horns, strengthened higher seat backs, wet wings, tailwheel
mods, plus all of MAM's tech bulletins, and I'm sure other things that
don't come immediately to mind. These things should be included in a
newer kit. They may require a lot of work on an old kit and the 1650#
wing upgrade may not be feasible if it has a wet wing that is closed up.
A new kit also allows you to move the firewall back if you wish for the
heavier engines.

In addition there are the Ontario mods such as thicker door sill,
thicker fuselage panels below the doors, tailwrap reinforcement etc.
Those won't come with a new kit but they may be more difficult to do
depending on how far along the construction is.

Anyway that's a few things that come to mind.

Ken
I have found an early Rebel kit partially constructed. Other than the >workmanship, are there items I
need to be concerned with? Are there kit mods? Are later kits more desirable?
Also, I'm planning to use amphib. floats. Other than Murphy, what floats have >been used, and your
preference.
Thank You, Jeff
JeffreyCady@hotmail.com


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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:59 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Ken, I also sent him an e-mail direct, as he had sent me an e-mail direct
about floats and I also don't know if he is on the list!!

Not to be picky, but a few corrections to your GREAT info below. Serial
numbers past 243 still came with the old multi layer tail spring bulkhead
installation. IF you don't want to do it the old way just order FUS-49, 84
and 88 and while your in there a set of FUS-89 side panel extensions.

As for the 1650 wing upgrade, it can be done to a finished wing without a
lot of fuss. I did it to FOKM, prior to resale, by removing the leading edge
root ribs and installing the extra rib at 6" and the front wing attach
bracket/packer etc. One side can be drilled off completely as the rivets are
outside the tank on the protuding flange. The other side required the root
rib to be cut and then spliced back together after gaining access and
performing the upgrades (if anyone is in this boat I have pictures of the
"crime")

Take care,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Rebel

What number?

Upgrades since Rebel 119 include thicker tail wrap and easier to install
tail spring bulkhead, a formed windshield, a stainless firewall, thicker
corner wraps to the firewall, upgraded 1650# landing gear, upgraded
wheels and brakes, 1650# wing root upgrade, 1650# wing spar cap upgrade,
new control horns, strengthened higher seat backs, wet wings, tailwheel
mods, plus all of MAM's tech bulletins, and I'm sure other things that
don't come immediately to mind. These things should be included in a
newer kit. They may require a lot of work on an old kit and the 1650#
wing upgrade may not be feasible if it has a wet wing that is closed up.
A new kit also allows you to move the firewall back if you wish for the
heavier engines.

In addition there are the Ontario mods such as thicker door sill,
thicker fuselage panels below the doors, tailwrap reinforcement etc.
Those won't come with a new kit but they may be more difficult to do
depending on how far along the construction is.

Anyway that's a few things that come to mind.

Ken
I have found an early Rebel kit partially constructed. Other than the
workmanship, are there items I
need to be concerned with? Are there kit mods? Are later kits more
desirable?
Also, I'm planning to use amphib. floats. Other than Murphy, what floats
have >been used, and your
preference.
Thank You, Jeff
JeffreyCady@hotmail.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:08 pm
by Ian Donaldson
G'day.

I have finally completed my Rebel and it passed the final inspection today.
Now that was a milestone!

I have done an hour of ground running and taxying. You just don't know how tempted I was to just give it a little more throttle and see if it would fly! It really seems to want to go.

All I need now it the official certificate and we are off flying! Maybe next weekend!

A problem I have is, that the tail wheel (standard Murphy ) does not seem to want to unlock and swivel freely.
What should I be looking for?
Is there something that I have overlooked?
Any clues on adjustment?


Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson

Rebel

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:08 pm
by Charles Bailey
G'day Ian,

My tail wheel also hard to unlock with the tail wheel chine too tight. I added another chine link and the wheel kicked-out Ok. But the chine seemed too loose. I then redrilled and shortened one end of the SS link (Dog bone) to take out some of the sag.
My Rebel has 100 Hrs and no tail wheel or tail skin problems.

First flights are fun, just like the ones that follow.

Chuck Bailey
Rebel 176
N225PC
----- Original Message -----

From: Ian Donaldson (allsure@iprimus.com.au)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 5:25 AM
Subject: Rebel


G'day.

I have finally completed my Rebel and it passed the final inspection today.
Now that was a milestone!

I have done an hour of ground running and taxying. You just don't know how tempted I was to just give it a little more throttle and see if it would fly! It really seems to want to go.

All I need now it the official certificate and we are off flying! Maybe next weekend!

A problem I have is, that the tail wheel (standard Murphy ) does not seem to want to unlock and swivel freely.
What should I be looking for?
Is there something that I have overlooked?
Any clues on adjustment?


Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson



Rebel

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:08 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
CONGRATULATIONS IAN !!!!

Don't get in too much of a rush and remember keep the speed up on final until you get used to the sink rate and characteristics of her. It ain't no Cessna, not even a bird dog! (and this is a good thing once you figure it all out!)!

As for the tail wheel I have seen a few MAM TW's that needed the chains right out on the ends of the rudder cable horn to get enough travel to make it too the unlock deflection, or could just need the chains a bit tighter. You don't want it coming out too easy and I personally like them (whether Scott/MAM or Maule) to need a GOOD tap on the brake to make them get the last bit of deflection to unlock.

Cheers,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca


----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Donaldson (allsure@iprimus.com.au)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 8:25 AM
Subject: Rebel


G'day.

I have finally completed my Rebel and it passed the final inspection today.
Now that was a milestone!

I have done an hour of ground running and taxying. You just don't know how tempted I was to just give it a little more throttle and see if it would fly! It really seems to want to go.

All I need now it the official certificate and we are off flying! Maybe next weekend!

A problem I have is, that the tail wheel (standard Murphy ) does not seem to want to unlock and swivel freely.
What should I be looking for?
Is there something that I have overlooked?
Any clues on adjustment?


Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson