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fuel tank leak

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:08 pm
by brian amendala
Hey fellas, the right tank on my rebel just started leaking, I believe it is
in the back of the tank at the bottom, which is surprising considering the
amount of proseal we used to seal it. The problem we have is we didn't put
any access panels on the tops of our tanks. I'm wondering if anyone has
access panels in there rebels and where exactly they are. My concern is the
loss of strength that might occur from cutting these access panels. Well
any advice? Thanks, Brian


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fuel tank leak

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:08 pm
by LisaFly99
In a message dated 4/26/02 7:20:51 PM Central Daylight Time, n667ba@hotmail.com writes:

Hey fellas, the right tank on my rebel just started leaking, I believe it is
in the back of the tank at the bottom, which is surprising considering the
amount of proseal we used to seal it. The problem we have is we didn't put
any access panels on the tops of our tanks. I'm wondering if anyone has
access panels in there rebels and where exactly they are. My concern is the
loss of strength that might occur from cutting these access panels. Well
any advice? Thanks, Brian
Wray's Rebel Page ( Airplane that is)
BRIAN
Go to WRAY'S link above and I think he has a section on you're problem. If done right I personaly don't think there's a problem. I've got holes in the bottom of both my tanks and I'm sure I'm not alone on this one.
Phil&Lisa Smith
N414D

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fuel tank leak

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:08 pm
by scott.hibbs
Brian, take a look at the access panel drawing on my home page
(http://home.pacifier.com/~hibbs/). It is located in the center bay on both
wings.

Scott

-> Hey fellas, the right tank on my rebel just started leaking, I believe it
is
-> in the back of the tank at the bottom, which is surprising considering the
-> amount of proseal we used to seal it. The problem we have is we didn't put
-> any access panels on the tops of our tanks. I'm wondering if anyone has
-> access panels in there rebels and where exactly they are. My concern is
the
-> loss of strength that might occur from cutting these access panels. Well
-> any advice? Thanks, Brian




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fuel tank leak

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:08 pm
by LisaFly99
In a message dated 4/27/02 7:31:28 AM Central Daylight Time, scott.hibbs@dcsol.com writes:

Brian, take a look at the access panel drawing on my home page
(http://home.pacifier.com/~hibbs/). It is located in the center bay on both
wings.
SCOTT
Thanks for sending Brian in the right derection, I knew I'd seen it before and posted the wrong link.
Phil&Lisa Smith

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fuel tank leak

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:08 pm
by Legeorgen
Hi Brian,

I had a leak too. I cut three access holes in the bottom skin, two behind and one to the side of the tank. It worked out well for complete access to the side and back of the tank skins. MAM suggested cutting doublers for strength. I sealed the tanks from the outside.

Bruce G 357R

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Fuel Tank Leak

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:28 pm
by Jim Stevens Sr.
It has taken 3 months to fix, however what seemed impossible has been achieved.

I did not build my Rebel so I was at somewhat of a disadvantage.

The Rebel in question is a Canadian Advanced Ultralight and the leaky
wet wing only occupies 2 bays in the wing.

I tried sloshing initially and when that failed I made the decision to cut
access holes in the bottom of the tank.

Since I'm not a builder, I had a sheet metal man from the conventional
aircraft world cut 4 access holes in the bottom of the tank. I promised him
some dual time in the Rebel in exchange for his labour.

The access holes are the ones shown on the website of Scott Hibbs
http://home.pacifier.com/~hibbs

Once the holes were cut it was up to me to clean out the tank, what an
unenviable task, the builder had used 2 different kinds of sealant on the seams,
plus a sloshing compound of some sort and then there was the Sealpak slosh-
ing compound that I had used, what a mess.

I soon learned what MEK, a respirator, face shield, chemical
proof gloves, razor knife, scrapers and a dremel tool with a flexible drive shaft
and brass wire wheel brushes were for. A powerful light was also a must,
I used an auto handheld spot light and my aircraft battery to power it.

Of course when you clean the bottom portion of the tank a mirror is required
to see, my wife had to give up 2 of her cosmetic mirrors to the cause. I felt like
a dental student learning how to put my brain in reverse.

My hands are still healing from all of the cuts I sustained during the cleaning
process.

When the tank was as clean as I could get it after going through 2-1/2 gals.
of MEK at $20/gal., it came time to PRC and rivet the doubler rings in place using
RR6403 tank rivets and test for leaks before applying PRC to the seams. My thinking
here was to identify leaky areas of the tank before applying PRC to the seams and
gussets.

I must have bought 3 pints of PRC at $97Cdn per pint along with a couple of
Sem Kits at $40 Cdn per kit. Ridiculous!

I was ignorant and inexperienced, I should have expermented with mixing small
quantities using the 10:1 ratio by weight that is suggested. Also it wasn't until near the
end of the project that someone wrote that you could quick freeze PRC that has been
mixed for future use as long as you don't put it in a frost-free freezer.

In order to determine where the leaks were I was advised to use a vacuum cleaner
to suck air out of the tank with soapy water on the seams and look for bubbles. I made
4 access covers out of lexan and I cut a hole in one of them slightly larger than my
vacuum cleaner nozzle. No need to fasten them in place because the decreased pressure
in the tank sucks them down against the doubler rings, it doesn't matter if they leak a little,
a small pressure decrease in the tank is quite sufficient.

Use soapy water on the seams, put the lexan covers in place, shine the spotlight on the
soaped up seam, apply vacuum and look for bubbles.

This system of leak detection worked like a charm, but there is a technique when testing
the bottom seams using a mirror which limits your viewing area to the width of the mirror.

Only soap small portions of a seam at a time, no more than a mirror width, here's why:
If you soap a seam in its entirety and there is a leak along that seam out of your view,
you may void that leak of soapy water real quick and by the time you slide your mirror along
to view this spot, you may not see any bubbles. This happened to me and caused me no
end of grief and lost time.

When I finally repaired the last leak, I tested the tank before re-installing it on the plane,
first with water and then with fuel.

I hope the expense and the effort is going to be worth it, so far so good, the wing has been
back on the plane for 8 or so hours of flying and no leaks. I'll keep my fingers crossed!

Fuel Tank Leak

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:26 am
by Roger Cole
I have been chasing leaks in my first fuel tank. The leakage rate
requires about 24 hours to leak from about 1 psi to 0.02 psi as
measured by a water manometer. I have checked all of the joints that I
can get at with soapy water and have not found the leak. The problem
is that I haven't figured out how to check for leaks in the leading
edge D section. Does anyone have a suggestion?

If I find a leak in the D section, how can I fix it?

I am not eager to cut holes in the tank to seal it from the inside if I
don't know where the leak is or whether it really is a leak. HELP!
---
Roger Cole
Elite 709E




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fuel tank leak

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:26 am
by Ralph Baker
We tested our tanks using a plumbers rubber hole plug in the filler neck. These have a thumbscrew to expand them to seal. Then what ever you choose can be used to seal the other 3 outlets and provide for a pressure / vacuum indication and small pump. We used a syringe used to pressurize motorcycle air forks. BIG caution - do not use over a pound or two and monitor if temperature changes. If your guage is not that sensitive use the condom method which is risk free (at least for tank testing). As Wayne says, either pressure of vacuum is fine, zero pressure indicates leakage but do consider that zero may be while transitioning from pressure to vacuum.

A stethoscope with a long tube through the inspection holes was used to find a leak in the front spar area. Pressurize the tank and listen for escaping air which is easy to hear when you reach the location. The "whoosh" means surgery and constructing a flush patch plate after resealing.
Ralph Baker



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Fuel tank leak

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:50 pm
by David R. Greaton
Hi All,

I just pressure tested my wing tanks. This is one of the wings built in the Phillipines that leaked awfull. After much sealing I have one leak left and I would appreciate any and all advice. The leak is in the top of the wing in the area where the strut attaches. It is a small hole maby the size of a pencile lead in the very top and in a corner. I can easily acess it from inside the strut area without opening up my wing again (which I would prefer not to do). My question is will tho pro-seal hold in this area if applied over the zincchromate or do I mave to try to remove the chromate, and will a patch from the outside be OK?

Thanks,
Dave Greaton
SR/MOOSE 189



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