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Subject: Spring gear
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You're probably OK - the problem was identified very early, so
there might be even less than 10 of the first ones without the doublers.
If you have some reinforcing sheets for the front floor that look like
they have fingers on them, that was the improvement...

.....bobp

---------------------------------orig.---------------------------
At 10:41 PM 11/3/98 -0600, you wrote:

Hey Bob!

How early is 'EARLY'? I've got spring gear for number R280 and will be

working

on that part pretty soon.

Dan

Bob Patterson wrote:

.... I hate to say this, but "the EARLY" spring gear kits were a little
weak in the floor area. Newer ones have several doublers with 'fingers'
that are supposed to spread the loads much better, preventing the waves
in the floor. It might be possible to add doublers inside or out, even
now. It would depend where the problem is. I'm sure the factory could
help.... .....bobp

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Hello,
Regarding the spring gear outboard bolt problem. I riveted a 1/4"
aluminum plate on the top of the tubes and was hoping that the lower
reinforcing plates would provide enough support for the lower tube.
Would it be a bad idea to rivet the upper spring saddle into the
carrythru tubes using a few c'sunk rivets(Stainless)? This might provide
some load sharing duty and relieve the tube edge from doing some of the
work. Maybe make thicker upper saddles and c'bore for some domed high
shear stainless rivets as I don't think they make a c'sunk 3/16 dia
rivet. Just a thought. Any comments?
I have another idea that I would like to share with builders. Many
of the archived messages contain messages with multiple topics. I set up
a folder in Microsoft Word under "REBEL" and then when I see an item of
interest in a message I highlight the area of interest and copy it over
into a Word document. My naming convention for topics is an
alphebetically based index for example, a topic about engine mounting
gets this name: E. engine mounting offset. This allows me to see many
topics without opening a lot of individual folders. I am also in the
process of compiling an ANNUAL INSPECTION check list. This will be a
very detailed series of papers defining the usual inspection issues,
Rebel specific issues, and my Rebel specific issues. As I work my way
through the archive messages I am sure to find many items to add to the
list so be sure to contribute if you can.
And Wayne O'Shea, thank you for the hints for installing the engine
as I am sure that will be very helpful to many rebel builders in the
future. Paul Poperezny of the EAA should honor guys like you for your
dedication and commitment to grass roots and spirit of experimental
aviation. Keep up the good work. You are a breath of fresh air for me
and this project. I'm sure other readers of this site feel the same.
Bob Patterson, thanks for your input and commitment to all the east
coast builders. I don't know if you remember me but I met with you at
Kingston, Ont in '94 and you gave me a demo flight in C-FOKM and the
flight convinced me to go with the Rebel. The other person that you were
gracious enough to give a flight to was my friend Ken Lance from
Watertown, NY. As it turns out it was to be his only flight in a Rebel.
He was battling cancer at the time I met him and he was about 90%
complete on his Rebel. Unfortunatly, he passed away a couple of years
ago and in my last correspondance with him he noted his fine flight with
you.
Bye for now,
Rick D.
Rebel S/N 446

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Richard, thanks for the kind words, but I don't think that I am doing
anything that spectacular by offering my 2 cents (cdn) that requires
honouring! I guess it was just the way I was brought up, to always lend a
hand. As a teen I was always over at someone's place, changing the motor in
their street rod in the middle of the night so their car would not be missed
on the street the next day! Funny thing is no one was ever around when I
needed to change the clutch in my '69 Super Bee once a month, and that
tranny is heavy when it's on your chest! (yes I still have the car with
56,000 original miles and I put 45,000 of those on it in 3 summers of
running the streets, before I got married in '82)

Sorry to hear about your pal Ken! That is the problem with life, it always
ends just when you are starting to have fun. My Dad died at 59 (cancer)
before he had a chance to retire, so when I turned 30 I decided that I was
going to enjoy my second 30 years, even if I went broke doing it! Then
everything after 60 would be grace (or poverty)! I started my original Rebel
on my 31st Birthday in '93 and then hired a G.M. to run our Plastic's Plant
when I turned 33 (after 12 years from scratch start up). I've been
"dabbling" in airplanes ever since and have no plans to change anything
now!!!! It sure beats putting up with arrogant S.O.B's at the big 3, T.R.W.
and Magna (among others). On the other hand, most pilots and builders I have
met are pretty decent and honest folks and they make smiling a whole lot
easier!!!!

Blue skies, Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCiero <rsdec1@star.net>
To: Rebel Builders <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:59 PM
Subject: Spring gear

Hello,
Regarding the spring gear outboard bolt problem. I riveted a 1/4"
aluminum plate on the top of the tubes and was hoping that the lower
reinforcing plates would provide enough support for the lower tube.
Would it be a bad idea to rivet the upper spring saddle into the
carrythru tubes using a few c'sunk rivets(Stainless)? This might provide
some load sharing duty and relieve the tube edge from doing some of the
work. Maybe make thicker upper saddles and c'bore for some domed high
shear stainless rivets as I don't think they make a c'sunk 3/16 dia
rivet. Just a thought. Any comments?
I have another idea that I would like to share with builders. Many
of the archived messages contain messages with multiple topics. I set up
a folder in Microsoft Word under "REBEL" and then when I see an item of
interest in a message I highlight the area of interest and copy it over
into a Word document. My naming convention for topics is an
alphebetically based index for example, a topic about engine mounting
gets this name: E. engine mounting offset. This allows me to see many
topics without opening a lot of individual folders. I am also in the
process of compiling an ANNUAL INSPECTION check list. This will be a
very detailed series of papers defining the usual inspection issues,
Rebel specific issues, and my Rebel specific issues. As I work my way
through the archive messages I am sure to find many items to add to the
list so be sure to contribute if you can.
And Wayne O'Shea, thank you for the hints for installing the engine
as I am sure that will be very helpful to many rebel builders in the
future. Paul Poperezny of the EAA should honor guys like you for your
dedication and commitment to grass roots and spirit of experimental
aviation. Keep up the good work. You are a breath of fresh air for me
and this project. I'm sure other readers of this site feel the same.
Bob Patterson, thanks for your input and commitment to all the east
coast builders. I don't know if you remember me but I met with you at
Kingston, Ont in '94 and you gave me a demo flight in C-FOKM and the
flight convinced me to go with the Rebel. The other person that you were
gracious enough to give a flight to was my friend Ken Lance from
Watertown, NY. As it turns out it was to be his only flight in a Rebel.
He was battling cancer at the time I met him and he was about 90%
complete on his Rebel. Unfortunatly, he passed away a couple of years
ago and in my last correspondance with him he noted his fine flight with
you.
Bye for now,
Rick D.
Rebel S/N 446

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Rick, your 100% on the money when you refer to the invaluable advice
provided on this site by people like Wayne O. and Bob P. and so many others.
I'm not a builder , but when you own one of these you have to maintain it
and acquiring many of the building skills is a necessity.

Regarding the check list you're developping, I'd really be interested in
receiving a copy as I'm sure I would have over-looked some items of
importance. Even if the list is not completed at this time, maybe you could
send what you've got and update it later. It might be something other
builders would like and I'm sure many would provide imput from their
experience.

Thanks,

Aurele Lavigne
Hearst, On
Rebel 063

Richard DeCiero wrote:

Hello,
Regarding the spring gear outboard bolt problem. I riveted a 1/4"
aluminum plate on the top of the tubes and was hoping that the lower
reinforcing plates would provide enough support for the lower tube.
Would it be a bad idea to rivet the upper spring saddle into the
carrythru tubes using a few c'sunk rivets(Stainless)? This might provide
some load sharing duty and relieve the tube edge from doing some of the
work. Maybe make thicker upper saddles and c'bore for some domed high
shear stainless rivets as I don't think they make a c'sunk 3/16 dia
rivet. Just a thought. Any comments?
I have another idea that I would like to share with builders. Many
of the archived messages contain messages with multiple topics. I set up
a folder in Microsoft Word under "REBEL" and then when I see an item of
interest in a message I highlight the area of interest and copy it over
into a Word document. My naming convention for topics is an
alphebetically based index for example, a topic about engine mounting
gets this name: E. engine mounting offset. This allows me to see many
topics without opening a lot of individual folders. I am also in the
process of compiling an ANNUAL INSPECTION check list. This will be a
very detailed series of papers defining the usual inspection issues,
Rebel specific issues, and my Rebel specific issues. As I work my way
through the archive messages I am sure to find many items to add to the
list so be sure to contribute if you can.
And Wayne O'Shea, thank you for the hints for installing the engine
as I am sure that will be very helpful to many rebel builders in the
future. Paul Poperezny of the EAA should honor guys like you for your
dedication and commitment to grass roots and spirit of experimental
aviation. Keep up the good work. You are a breath of fresh air for me
and this project. I'm sure other readers of this site feel the same.
Bob Patterson, thanks for your input and commitment to all the east
coast builders. I don't know if you remember me but I met with you at
Kingston, Ont in '94 and you gave me a demo flight in C-FOKM and the
flight convinced me to go with the Rebel. The other person that you were
gracious enough to give a flight to was my friend Ken Lance from
Watertown, NY. As it turns out it was to be his only flight in a Rebel.
He was battling cancer at the time I met him and he was about 90%
complete on his Rebel. Unfortunatly, he passed away a couple of years
ago and in my last correspondance with him he noted his fine flight with
you.
Bye for now,
Rick D.
Rebel S/N 446

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Hi Rick !

Glad you found your way to this list ! I remember our flight - sorry
to hear about your friend. Thanks for the kind words - we all do what
we can to help other Rebel builders....

There haven't been ANY problems develop near here with the spring
gear, factory stock, so anything you do will be helpful. Of course, there
aren't too many Rebels with spring gear in Ontario ;-)
(mostly because I really couldn't recommend it to builders when it was
first introduced - there have been many improvements since then...)
Have to admit, I STILL prefer the bungee gear - it's
28 lb. lighter, stronger, and less expensive - and can be cleaned up
quite nicely with decent fairings (made of 1/32" Lexan).

You mentioned earlier that you were thinking of lowering your seat.
Unless you've grown to over 6'6", that isn't necessary. When I had my
seat cushions made, I specifically asked for the foam to be about 8"
thick. I wanted the seat to be high enough so that I could slide in and
out of the Rebel without raising my voice a couple of octaves on the
seat belt attach fitting ! :-)

A few builders here have had the foam sculptured to be 6" or more
out in front of the seat pan, to provide extra support under the thighs.
This is easy to do, and does help. The fellow who did the seats uses
2 different densities of foam, harder on the bottom, then softer, then
an inch or so of Confor foam (or equivalent) on top. This makes for a
very comfortable seat ! (One builder even had an ObusForm back support
built right into the seat back !)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 07:12 PM 1/12/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hello,
Regarding the spring gear outboard bolt problem. I riveted a 1/4"
aluminum plate on the top of the tubes and was hoping that the lower
reinforcing plates would provide enough support for the lower tube.
Would it be a bad idea to rivet the upper spring saddle into the
carrythru tubes using a few c'sunk rivets(Stainless)? This might provide
some load sharing duty and relieve the tube edge from doing some of the
work. Maybe make thicker upper saddles and c'bore for some domed high
shear stainless rivets as I don't think they make a c'sunk 3/16 dia
rivet. Just a thought. Any comments?
I have another idea that I would like to share with builders. Many
of the archived messages contain messages with multiple topics. I set up
a folder in Microsoft Word under "REBEL" and then when I see an item of
interest in a message I highlight the area of interest and copy it over
into a Word document. My naming convention for topics is an
alphebetically based index for example, a topic about engine mounting
gets this name: E. engine mounting offset. This allows me to see many
topics without opening a lot of individual folders. I am also in the
process of compiling an ANNUAL INSPECTION check list. This will be a
very detailed series of papers defining the usual inspection issues,
Rebel specific issues, and my Rebel specific issues. As I work my way
through the archive messages I am sure to find many items to add to the
list so be sure to contribute if you can.
And Wayne O'Shea, thank you for the hints for installing the engine
as I am sure that will be very helpful to many rebel builders in the
future. Paul Poperezny of the EAA should honor guys like you for your
dedication and commitment to grass roots and spirit of experimental
aviation. Keep up the good work. You are a breath of fresh air for me
and this project. I'm sure other readers of this site feel the same.
Bob Patterson, thanks for your input and commitment to all the east
coast builders. I don't know if you remember me but I met with you at
Kingston, Ont in '94 and you gave me a demo flight in C-FOKM and the
flight convinced me to go with the Rebel. The other person that you were
gracious enough to give a flight to was my friend Ken Lance from
Watertown, NY. As it turns out it was to be his only flight in a Rebel.
He was battling cancer at the time I met him and he was about 90%
complete on his Rebel. Unfortunatly, he passed away a couple of years
ago and in my last correspondance with him he noted his fine flight with
you.
Bye for now,
Rick D.
Rebel S/N 446

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Hi Spring gear fans-
I also have been searching for a way to make the spring gear outboard bolt
area stronger. I feel that as long as the bolts are passing through a hollow
tube they will work lose, thus creating a problem down the road. I like the
idea of attaching the upper saddle to the .063 finger plates, but I would
use structural counter sunk screws (they have a unthreaded area like a bolt
has, i.e. the threads cover part of the shank of the screw) . I also think
you would have to make a thicker saddle as the counter sinking might cause a
weak area in the saddle.
In my search for a solution to what I feel is a weak area of the Spring Gear
and for how I plan on using the Rebel (without using the full "Off Road New
Zealand Version"), I came up with the following plan.
I made up four 2024 alum bars 3/4 by 1 3/4 about 3 inch long (ordered from
aircraft spruce for about $10). I ground them so the blocks didn't touch in
the area of radius. These blocks then fit inside the carrythur tube tightly
and are placed near the end of the tube so the outboard gear bolt passes thru
solid aluminum when the gear bolt is installed. The block is also bolted to
the tube to help distribute the load down the tube. The two AN3 bolts on each
side must be increased in length, AN3-60 so they can pass thru both carry
thru tubes. I plan on removing the tubes and drilling in a drill press, then
drilling the final size when all the plates are in place.
I hope this will strengthen the gear without moving the failure point
somewhere that would require a major repair if that unhappy landing did
happen to me.
Looking back at my Spring Gear decision, I picked the Spring Gear because I
thought it looked cool and I thought it would be stronger. After all Cessna
used it a lot. But that was before I started to read what bobp was saying
about it. If I had it to do over again I would stick to the stock gear.
After all, bungee gear worked fine on my Super Cub and I used it in Alaska...
"off road" of course.
Jim LePard , Rebel s/n 254
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Hi Jim !

You're right that Cessna used spring gear a lot - but many older
Cessnas have big-time problems with the gear box mounting - just one of
those many extra maintenance costs you don't hear about on certified
aircraft !

Many of the "improvements" on the Rebel came about because of
customer demand - "Cessna did it so it MUST be good !" ;-(
- like the spring gear, tricycle gear, split flaps and ailerons,
the high topped instrument panel ..... all those things I love ! ;-)
And we had several requests for a yoke (wheel) instead of the stick !

.....bobp

------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 08:34 PM 1/13/00 EST, you wrote:

Hi Spring gear fans-
I also have been searching for a way to make the spring gear outboard bolt
area stronger. I feel that as long as the bolts are passing through a hollow
tube they will work lose, thus creating a problem down the road. I like the
idea of attaching the upper saddle to the .063 finger plates, but I would
use structural counter sunk screws (they have a unthreaded area like a bolt
has, i.e. the threads cover part of the shank of the screw) . I also think
you would have to make a thicker saddle as the counter sinking might cause a
weak area in the saddle.
In my search for a solution to what I feel is a weak area of the Spring Gear
and for how I plan on using the Rebel (without using the full "Off Road New
Zealand Version"), I came up with the following plan.
I made up four 2024 alum bars 3/4 by 1 3/4 about 3 inch long (ordered from
aircraft spruce for about $10). I ground them so the blocks didn't touch in
the area of radius. These blocks then fit inside the carrythur tube tightly
and are placed near the end of the tube so the outboard gear bolt passes thru
solid aluminum when the gear bolt is installed. The block is also bolted to
the tube to help distribute the load down the tube. The two AN3 bolts on each
side must be increased in length, AN3-60 so they can pass thru both carry
thru tubes. I plan on removing the tubes and drilling in a drill press, then
drilling the final size when all the plates are in place.
I hope this will strengthen the gear without moving the failure point
somewhere that would require a major repair if that unhappy landing did
happen to me.
Looking back at my Spring Gear decision, I picked the Spring Gear because I
thought it looked cool and I thought it would be stronger. After all Cessna
used it a lot. But that was before I started to read what bobp was saying
about it. If I had it to do over again I would stick to the stock gear.
After all, bungee gear worked fine on my Super Cub and I used it in Alaska...
"off road" of course.
Jim LePard , Rebel s/n 254
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Hey Bob, isn't a yoke some part of an EGG???? I don't like eggs. Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Spring gear

Hi Jim !

You're right that Cessna used spring gear a lot - but many older
Cessnas have big-time problems with the gear box mounting - just one of
those many extra maintenance costs you don't hear about on certified
aircraft !

Many of the "improvements" on the Rebel came about because of
customer demand - "Cessna did it so it MUST be good !"

- like the spring gear, tricycle gear, split flaps and ailerons,
the high topped instrument panel ..... all those things I love ! ;-)
And we had several requests for a yoke (wheel) instead of the stick !

.....bobp

------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 08:34 PM 1/13/00 EST, you wrote:

Hi Spring gear fans-
I also have been searching for a way to make the spring gear outboard bolt
area stronger. I feel that as long as the bolts are passing through a

hollow

tube they will work lose, thus creating a problem down the road. I like

the

idea of attaching the upper saddle to the .063 finger plates, but I would
use structural counter sunk screws (they have a unthreaded area like a

bolt

has, i.e. the threads cover part of the shank of the screw) . I also think
you would have to make a thicker saddle as the counter sinking might cause

a

weak area in the saddle.
In my search for a solution to what I feel is a weak area of the Spring

Gear

and for how I plan on using the Rebel (without using the full "Off Road

New

Zealand Version"), I came up with the following plan.
I made up four 2024 alum bars 3/4 by 1 3/4 about 3 inch long (ordered

from

aircraft spruce for about $10). I ground them so the blocks didn't touch

in

the area of radius. These blocks then fit inside the carrythur tube

tightly

and are placed near the end of the tube so the outboard gear bolt passes

thru

solid aluminum when the gear bolt is installed. The block is also bolted

to

the tube to help distribute the load down the tube. The two AN3 bolts on

each

side must be increased in length, AN3-60 so they can pass thru both carry
thru tubes. I plan on removing the tubes and drilling in a drill press,

then

drilling the final size when all the plates are in place.
I hope this will strengthen the gear without moving the failure point
somewhere that would require a major repair if that unhappy landing did
happen to me.
Looking back at my Spring Gear decision, I picked the Spring Gear because

I

thought it looked cool and I thought it would be stronger. After all

Cessna

used it a lot. But that was before I started to read what bobp was saying
about it. If I had it to do over again I would stick to the stock gear.
After all, bungee gear worked fine on my Super Cub and I used it in

Alaska...

"off road" of course.
Jim LePard , Rebel s/n 254
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EGGzactly !! (just yoke-ing ! :-) )

You can beat those with a STICK, anytime ! ;-)

.....bobp

-----------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 10:44 PM 1/13/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hey Bob, isn't a yoke some part of an EGG???? I don't like eggs. Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Spring gear

Hi Jim !

You're right that Cessna used spring gear a lot - but many older
Cessnas have big-time problems with the gear box mounting - just one of
those many extra maintenance costs you don't hear about on certified
aircraft !

Many of the "improvements" on the Rebel came about because of
customer demand - "Cessna did it so it MUST be good !"

- like the spring gear, tricycle gear, split flaps and ailerons,
the high topped instrument panel ..... all those things I love ! ;-)
And we had several requests for a yoke (wheel) instead of the stick !

.....bobp

------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 08:34 PM 1/13/00 EST, you wrote:

Hi Spring gear fans-
I also have been searching for a way to make the spring gear outboard bolt
area stronger. I feel that as long as the bolts are passing through a

hollow

tube they will work lose, thus creating a problem down the road. I like

the

idea of attaching the upper saddle to the .063 finger plates, but I would
use structural counter sunk screws (they have a unthreaded area like a

bolt

has, i.e. the threads cover part of the shank of the screw) . I also think
you would have to make a thicker saddle as the counter sinking might cause

a

weak area in the saddle.
In my search for a solution to what I feel is a weak area of the Spring

Gear

and for how I plan on using the Rebel (without using the full "Off Road

New

Zealand Version"), I came up with the following plan.
I made up four 2024 alum bars 3/4 by 1 3/4 about 3 inch long (ordered

from

aircraft spruce for about $10). I ground them so the blocks didn't touch

in

the area of radius. These blocks then fit inside the carrythur tube

tightly

and are placed near the end of the tube so the outboard gear bolt passes

thru

solid aluminum when the gear bolt is installed. The block is also bolted

to

the tube to help distribute the load down the tube. The two AN3 bolts on

each

side must be increased in length, AN3-60 so they can pass thru both carry
thru tubes. I plan on removing the tubes and drilling in a drill press,

then

drilling the final size when all the plates are in place.
I hope this will strengthen the gear without moving the failure point
somewhere that would require a major repair if that unhappy landing did
happen to me.
Looking back at my Spring Gear decision, I picked the Spring Gear because

I

thought it looked cool and I thought it would be stronger. After all

Cessna

used it a lot. But that was before I started to read what bobp was saying
about it. If I had it to do over again I would stick to the stock gear.
After all, bungee gear worked fine on my Super Cub and I used it in

Alaska...

"off road" of course.
Jim LePard , Rebel s/n 254
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Hi Bob

Just a minor correction. According to Daryl M., the spring gear is 18-22
lb. heavier than the bungee gear.

Have not had any issues with the spring gear re: failures etc. Most of my
landings have been reasonably soft although a couple of times I have very
ungracefully slithered off to the side of the runway and you could hear the
tires etc. voicing their strong disapproval of my lack of crosswind
technique!



Regards


Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 6:00 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Re: Spring gear



Hi Rick !

Glad you found your way to this list ! I remember our flight - sorry
to hear about your friend. Thanks for the kind words - we all do what
we can to help other Rebel builders....

There haven't been ANY problems develop near here with the spring
gear, factory stock, so anything you do will be helpful. Of course, there
aren't too many Rebels with spring gear in Ontario ;-)
(mostly because I really couldn't recommend it to builders when it was
first introduced - there have been many improvements since then...)
Have to admit, I STILL prefer the bungee gear - it's
28 lb. lighter, stronger, and less expensive - and can be cleaned up
quite nicely with decent fairings (made of 1/32" Lexan).

You mentioned earlier that you were thinking of lowering your seat.
Unless you've grown to over 6'6", that isn't necessary. When I had my
seat cushions made, I specifically asked for the foam to be about 8"
thick. I wanted the seat to be high enough so that I could slide in and
out of the Rebel without raising my voice a couple of octaves on the
seat belt attach fitting ! :-)

A few builders here have had the foam sculptured to be 6" or more
out in front of the seat pan, to provide extra support under the thighs.
This is easy to do, and does help. The fellow who did the seats uses
2 different densities of foam, harder on the bottom, then softer, then
an inch or so of Confor foam (or equivalent) on top. This makes for a
very comfortable seat ! (One builder even had an ObusForm back support
built right into the seat back !)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 07:12 PM 1/12/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hello,
Regarding the spring gear outboard bolt problem. I riveted a 1/4"
aluminum plate on the top of the tubes and was hoping that the lower
reinforcing plates would provide enough support for the lower tube.
Would it be a bad idea to rivet the upper spring saddle into the
carrythru tubes using a few c'sunk rivets(Stainless)? This might provide
some load sharing duty and relieve the tube edge from doing some of the
work. Maybe make thicker upper saddles and c'bore for some domed high
shear stainless rivets as I don't think they make a c'sunk 3/16 dia
rivet. Just a thought. Any comments?
I have another idea that I would like to share with builders. Many
of the archived messages contain messages with multiple topics. I set up
a folder in Microsoft Word under "REBEL" and then when I see an item of
interest in a message I highlight the area of interest and copy it over
into a Word document. My naming convention for topics is an
alphebetically based index for example, a topic about engine mounting
gets this name: E. engine mounting offset. This allows me to see many
topics without opening a lot of individual folders. I am also in the
process of compiling an ANNUAL INSPECTION check list. This will be a
very detailed series of papers defining the usual inspection issues,
Rebel specific issues, and my Rebel specific issues. As I work my way
through the archive messages I am sure to find many items to add to the
list so be sure to contribute if you can.
And Wayne O'Shea, thank you for the hints for installing the engine
as I am sure that will be very helpful to many rebel builders in the
future. Paul Poperezny of the EAA should honor guys like you for your
dedication and commitment to grass roots and spirit of experimental
aviation. Keep up the good work. You are a breath of fresh air for me
and this project. I'm sure other readers of this site feel the same.
Bob Patterson, thanks for your input and commitment to all the east
coast builders. I don't know if you remember me but I met with you at
Kingston, Ont in '94 and you gave me a demo flight in C-FOKM and the
flight convinced me to go with the Rebel. The other person that you were
gracious enough to give a flight to was my friend Ken Lance from
Watertown, NY. As it turns out it was to be his only flight in a Rebel.
He was battling cancer at the time I met him and he was about 90%
complete on his Rebel. Unfortunatly, he passed away a couple of years
ago and in my last correspondance with him he noted his fine flight with
you.
Bye for now,
Rick D.
Rebel S/N 446

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Oooops ! Sorry, not always right on numbers - knew it was over 20 lb.....

You're too modest ! Sure looks like you're doing a great job flying
the Rebel. And enjoying it a LOT !!! :-)

....bobp

Coming Rambling ?????? ;-)

---------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------
At 05:01 PM 1/15/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Bob

Just a minor correction. According to Daryl M., the spring gear is 18-22
lb. heavier than the bungee gear.

Have not had any issues with the spring gear re: failures etc. Most of my
landings have been reasonably soft although a couple of times I have very
ungracefully slithered off to the side of the runway and you could hear the
tires etc. voicing their strong disapproval of my lack of crosswind
technique!



Regards


Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 6:00 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Re: Spring gear



Hi Rick !

Glad you found your way to this list ! I remember our flight - sorry
to hear about your friend. Thanks for the kind words - we all do what
we can to help other Rebel builders....

There haven't been ANY problems develop near here with the spring
gear, factory stock, so anything you do will be helpful. Of course, there
aren't too many Rebels with spring gear in Ontario ;-)
(mostly because I really couldn't recommend it to builders when it was
first introduced - there have been many improvements since then...)
Have to admit, I STILL prefer the bungee gear - it's
28 lb. lighter, stronger, and less expensive - and can be cleaned up
quite nicely with decent fairings (made of 1/32" Lexan).

You mentioned earlier that you were thinking of lowering your seat.
Unless you've grown to over 6'6", that isn't necessary. When I had my
seat cushions made, I specifically asked for the foam to be about 8"
thick. I wanted the seat to be high enough so that I could slide in and
out of the Rebel without raising my voice a couple of octaves on the
seat belt attach fitting ! :-)

A few builders here have had the foam sculptured to be 6" or more
out in front of the seat pan, to provide extra support under the thighs.
This is easy to do, and does help. The fellow who did the seats uses
2 different densities of foam, harder on the bottom, then softer, then
an inch or so of Confor foam (or equivalent) on top. This makes for a
very comfortable seat ! (One builder even had an ObusForm back support
built right into the seat back !)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 07:12 PM 1/12/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hello,
Regarding the spring gear outboard bolt problem. I riveted a 1/4"
aluminum plate on the top of the tubes and was hoping that the lower
reinforcing plates would provide enough support for the lower tube.
Would it be a bad idea to rivet the upper spring saddle into the
carrythru tubes using a few c'sunk rivets(Stainless)? This might provide
some load sharing duty and relieve the tube edge from doing some of the
work. Maybe make thicker upper saddles and c'bore for some domed high
shear stainless rivets as I don't think they make a c'sunk 3/16 dia
rivet. Just a thought. Any comments?
I have another idea that I would like to share with builders. Many
of the archived messages contain messages with multiple topics. I set up
a folder in Microsoft Word under "REBEL" and then when I see an item of
interest in a message I highlight the area of interest and copy it over
into a Word document. My naming convention for topics is an
alphebetically based index for example, a topic about engine mounting
gets this name: E. engine mounting offset. This allows me to see many
topics without opening a lot of individual folders. I am also in the
process of compiling an ANNUAL INSPECTION check list. This will be a
very detailed series of papers defining the usual inspection issues,
Rebel specific issues, and my Rebel specific issues. As I work my way
through the archive messages I am sure to find many items to add to the
list so be sure to contribute if you can.
And Wayne O'Shea, thank you for the hints for installing the engine
as I am sure that will be very helpful to many rebel builders in the
future. Paul Poperezny of the EAA should honor guys like you for your
dedication and commitment to grass roots and spirit of experimental
aviation. Keep up the good work. You are a breath of fresh air for me
and this project. I'm sure other readers of this site feel the same.
Bob Patterson, thanks for your input and commitment to all the east
coast builders. I don't know if you remember me but I met with you at
Kingston, Ont in '94 and you gave me a demo flight in C-FOKM and the
flight convinced me to go with the Rebel. The other person that you were
gracious enough to give a flight to was my friend Ken Lance from
Watertown, NY. As it turns out it was to be his only flight in a Rebel.
He was battling cancer at the time I met him and he was about 90%
complete on his Rebel. Unfortunatly, he passed away a couple of years
ago and in my last correspondance with him he noted his fine flight with
you.
Bye for now,
Rick D.
Rebel S/N 446

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Hi Again Bob

Just ordered the charts to go to Sun 'N Fun with David. Really looking
forward to that.

As far as the Rebel Ramble goes, I am working on the largest project of my
life. Start up is scheduled for mid-July. If I can move it up a few days,
I would really like to join you for a portion of the flight depending on
timing etc. I owe my brother a great flight for all the grunt work - he is
not a techie at all but was a fantastic help in the early days when you did
more building that thinking if you follow me. He would like to fly to
Oshkosh. Can we follow you there?

Best Regards to you all builders - The Rebel is one great machine. I implore
you to keep building. It just feels great watching the Cessna drivers
trying to match the Rebel's performance in any phase of flight. I don't
think this is an exaggeration.



Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 12:42 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: RE: Spring gear



Oooops ! Sorry, not always right on numbers - knew it was over 20
lb.....

You're too modest ! Sure looks like you're doing a great job flying
the Rebel. And enjoying it a LOT !!! :-)

....bobp

Coming Rambling ?????? ;-)

---------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------
At 05:01 PM 1/15/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Bob

Just a minor correction. According to Daryl M., the spring gear is 18-22
lb. heavier than the bungee gear.

Have not had any issues with the spring gear re: failures etc. Most of my
landings have been reasonably soft although a couple of times I have very
ungracefully slithered off to the side of the runway and you could hear the
tires etc. voicing their strong disapproval of my lack of crosswind
technique!



Regards


Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 6:00 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Re: Spring gear



Hi Rick !

Glad you found your way to this list ! I remember our flight - sorry
to hear about your friend. Thanks for the kind words - we all do what
we can to help other Rebel builders....

There haven't been ANY problems develop near here with the spring
gear, factory stock, so anything you do will be helpful. Of course, there
aren't too many Rebels with spring gear in Ontario ;-)
(mostly because I really couldn't recommend it to builders when it was
first introduced - there have been many improvements since then...)
Have to admit, I STILL prefer the bungee gear - it's
28 lb. lighter, stronger, and less expensive - and can be cleaned up
quite nicely with decent fairings (made of 1/32" Lexan).

You mentioned earlier that you were thinking of lowering your seat.
Unless you've grown to over 6'6", that isn't necessary. When I had my
seat cushions made, I specifically asked for the foam to be about 8"
thick. I wanted the seat to be high enough so that I could slide in and
out of the Rebel without raising my voice a couple of octaves on the
seat belt attach fitting ! :-)

A few builders here have had the foam sculptured to be 6" or more
out in front of the seat pan, to provide extra support under the thighs.
This is easy to do, and does help. The fellow who did the seats uses
2 different densities of foam, harder on the bottom, then softer, then
an inch or so of Confor foam (or equivalent) on top. This makes for a
very comfortable seat ! (One builder even had an ObusForm back support
built right into the seat back !)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 07:12 PM 1/12/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hello,
Regarding the spring gear outboard bolt problem. I riveted a 1/4"
aluminum plate on the top of the tubes and was hoping that the lower
reinforcing plates would provide enough support for the lower tube.
Would it be a bad idea to rivet the upper spring saddle into the
carrythru tubes using a few c'sunk rivets(Stainless)? This might provide
some load sharing duty and relieve the tube edge from doing some of the
work. Maybe make thicker upper saddles and c'bore for some domed high
shear stainless rivets as I don't think they make a c'sunk 3/16 dia
rivet. Just a thought. Any comments?
I have another idea that I would like to share with builders. Many
of the archived messages contain messages with multiple topics. I set up
a folder in Microsoft Word under "REBEL" and then when I see an item of
interest in a message I highlight the area of interest and copy it over
into a Word document. My naming convention for topics is an
alphebetically based index for example, a topic about engine mounting
gets this name: E. engine mounting offset. This allows me to see many
topics without opening a lot of individual folders. I am also in the
process of compiling an ANNUAL INSPECTION check list. This will be a
very detailed series of papers defining the usual inspection issues,
Rebel specific issues, and my Rebel specific issues. As I work my way
through the archive messages I am sure to find many items to add to the
list so be sure to contribute if you can.
And Wayne O'Shea, thank you for the hints for installing the engine
as I am sure that will be very helpful to many rebel builders in the
future. Paul Poperezny of the EAA should honor guys like you for your
dedication and commitment to grass roots and spirit of experimental
aviation. Keep up the good work. You are a breath of fresh air for me
and this project. I'm sure other readers of this site feel the same.
Bob Patterson, thanks for your input and commitment to all the east
coast builders. I don't know if you remember me but I met with you at
Kingston, Ont in '94 and you gave me a demo flight in C-FOKM and the
flight convinced me to go with the Rebel. The other person that you were
gracious enough to give a flight to was my friend Ken Lance from
Watertown, NY. As it turns out it was to be his only flight in a Rebel.
He was battling cancer at the time I met him and he was about 90%
complete on his Rebel. Unfortunatly, he passed away a couple of years
ago and in my last correspondance with him he noted his fine flight with
you.
Bye for now,
Rick D.
Rebel S/N 446

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Sounds like there'll be quite a few from Brampton flying to Sun 'n Fun !!

Hope you can join us for part of the Ramble - anywhere, anyhow !! :-)

......bobp

---------------------------orig.------------------------------------------------
At 02:05 PM 1/17/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Again Bob

Just ordered the charts to go to Sun 'N Fun with David. Really looking
forward to that.

As far as the Rebel Ramble goes, I am working on the largest project of my
life. Start up is scheduled for mid-July. If I can move it up a few days,
I would really like to join you for a portion of the flight depending on
timing etc. I owe my brother a great flight for all the grunt work - he is
not a techie at all but was a fantastic help in the early days when you did
more building that thinking if you follow me. He would like to fly to
Oshkosh. Can we follow you there?

Best Regards to you all builders - The Rebel is one great machine. I implore
you to keep building. It just feels great watching the Cessna drivers
trying to match the Rebel's performance in any phase of flight. I don't
think this is an exaggeration.



Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 12:42 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: RE: Spring gear



Oooops ! Sorry, not always right on numbers - knew it was over 20
lb.....

You're too modest ! Sure looks like you're doing a great job flying
the Rebel. And enjoying it a LOT !!! :-)

....bobp

Coming Rambling ?????? ;-)

---------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------
At 05:01 PM 1/15/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Bob

Just a minor correction. According to Daryl M., the spring gear is 18-22
lb. heavier than the bungee gear.

Have not had any issues with the spring gear re: failures etc. Most of my
landings have been reasonably soft although a couple of times I have very
ungracefully slithered off to the side of the runway and you could hear the
tires etc. voicing their strong disapproval of my lack of crosswind
technique!



Regards


Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 6:00 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Re: Spring gear



Hi Rick !

Glad you found your way to this list ! I remember our flight - sorry
to hear about your friend. Thanks for the kind words - we all do what
we can to help other Rebel builders....

There haven't been ANY problems develop near here with the spring
gear, factory stock, so anything you do will be helpful. Of course, there
aren't too many Rebels with spring gear in Ontario ;-)
(mostly because I really couldn't recommend it to builders when it was
first introduced - there have been many improvements since then...)
Have to admit, I STILL prefer the bungee gear - it's
28 lb. lighter, stronger, and less expensive - and can be cleaned up
quite nicely with decent fairings (made of 1/32" Lexan).

You mentioned earlier that you were thinking of lowering your seat.
Unless you've grown to over 6'6", that isn't necessary. When I had my
seat cushions made, I specifically asked for the foam to be about 8"
thick. I wanted the seat to be high enough so that I could slide in and
out of the Rebel without raising my voice a couple of octaves on the
seat belt attach fitting ! :-)

A few builders here have had the foam sculptured to be 6" or more
out in front of the seat pan, to provide extra support under the thighs.
This is easy to do, and does help. The fellow who did the seats uses
2 different densities of foam, harder on the bottom, then softer, then
an inch or so of Confor foam (or equivalent) on top. This makes for a
very comfortable seat ! (One builder even had an ObusForm back support
built right into the seat back !)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 07:12 PM 1/12/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hello,
Regarding the spring gear outboard bolt problem. I riveted a 1/4"
aluminum plate on the top of the tubes and was hoping that the lower
reinforcing plates would provide enough support for the lower tube.
Would it be a bad idea to rivet the upper spring saddle into the
carrythru tubes using a few c'sunk rivets(Stainless)? This might provide
some load sharing duty and relieve the tube edge from doing some of the
work. Maybe make thicker upper saddles and c'bore for some domed high
shear stainless rivets as I don't think they make a c'sunk 3/16 dia
rivet. Just a thought. Any comments?
I have another idea that I would like to share with builders. Many
of the archived messages contain messages with multiple topics. I set up
a folder in Microsoft Word under "REBEL" and then when I see an item of
interest in a message I highlight the area of interest and copy it over
into a Word document. My naming convention for topics is an
alphebetically based index for example, a topic about engine mounting
gets this name: E. engine mounting offset. This allows me to see many
topics without opening a lot of individual folders. I am also in the
process of compiling an ANNUAL INSPECTION check list. This will be a
very detailed series of papers defining the usual inspection issues,
Rebel specific issues, and my Rebel specific issues. As I work my way
through the archive messages I am sure to find many items to add to the
list so be sure to contribute if you can.
And Wayne O'Shea, thank you for the hints for installing the engine
as I am sure that will be very helpful to many rebel builders in the
future. Paul Poperezny of the EAA should honor guys like you for your
dedication and commitment to grass roots and spirit of experimental
aviation. Keep up the good work. You are a breath of fresh air for me
and this project. I'm sure other readers of this site feel the same.
Bob Patterson, thanks for your input and commitment to all the east
coast builders. I don't know if you remember me but I met with you at
Kingston, Ont in '94 and you gave me a demo flight in C-FOKM and the
flight convinced me to go with the Rebel. The other person that you were
gracious enough to give a flight to was my friend Ken Lance from
Watertown, NY. As it turns out it was to be his only flight in a Rebel.
He was battling cancer at the time I met him and he was about 90%
complete on his Rebel. Unfortunatly, he passed away a couple of years
ago and in my last correspondance with him he noted his fine flight with
you.
Bye for now,
Rick D.
Rebel S/N 446

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Sorry, Alister ....

All I can give is a SWAG - nobody seems to have accurate numbers !
I know we just passed the 700 mark on Rebel kits this summer, and I
believe that there are about 400 flying ..... I suspect that, since
the spring gear was introduced, probably about 85 - 90 % of the kits went
with it - it has certainly been well promoted !

Not very scientific, I'm afraid, but that's my best guess ....


(I'm not sure, but I <might> have done that little 'tongue-in-
cheek' emoticon after the original comment .... :-`) ) ...

....bobp

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At 07:54 PM 9/13/00 +1200, you wrote:

Hi Bob,
You say hundreds of Rebels are flying with spring gear---- to

your knowledge how many Rebels are actually flying to date and of those, how
many would have spring gear?---roughly speaking.

Cheers

Alister


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Hi Bob,
You say hundreds of Rebels are flying with spring gear---- to your knowledge how many Rebels are actually flying to date and of those, how many would have spring gear?---roughly speaking.

Cheers

Alister