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Subject: New Guy questions!
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Thanks Bob,

I guess I should just confess to the list that my other 2 choices were the
Kitfox and the Avid (everyone stop laughing). Although from what I am
hearing about the financial status of Avid, I don't think they are on my
"short list" anymore. I like the Fox because of the sheer number of kits
out there, and the great factory and builder support that they have. Also
folding wings were once high on my list, but I would eventually build a
full sized hangar on my farm because I would get tired of folding and
unfolding anyway. And finally, from what I understand from talking to
other Fox builders, the kit is very well put together, although the manuals
do need a little updating, but that is where the support comes in.

I dislike the "rag" construction. 99% of my ground operations are going to
be from dirt and gravel roads, wheat stubble fields, and grass strips
(rough grass at that). My main objective is low and slow, IFR (I Fly
Roads), admire my growing crops or "LOOK AT ALL THOSE WEEDS", let's sneak
up on the neighbors tractor and wake him up sort of flying I fell in love
with the Rebel the first time I saw it at the Arlington Air Fair about 6 or
7 years ago. Until that time I was all hyped up about Denny Aircraft now
Skystar. Well it is now 6 or 7 years later and I am realizing that 35 will
turn into 45 and then 55 and then hopefully still alive, so it is time to
get serious or forget it.

I guess my main concern is with support rather than the aircraft itself. I
am interested in builder and factory support, (that's why I subscribed to
this list). I am concerned about company stability. I'm sure many of you
on the list will be able to help me out with these concerns.

What other forms of support are there out here on the web? I already know
of 2 Rebels relatively close to me that I didn't know about prior to this
list subscription. What can I expect from factory support? How well
thought out is the kit? How complete is the kit? What are the manuals
like? How much longer do I have to wait before my Cougars make it to
another Rose Bowl (I can't wait 67 years again). Too many questions. I
will just sit back and watch the list do its' thing. E-mail is the perfect
tool for just this sort of thing.

Again, thanks in advance for all the great info.
Tim
At 12:13 PM 10/27/98 -0500, you wrote:

Welcome to the group, Tim !!

We all think the Rebel is the best choice (big grin), but we're happy
to help. What kind of flying do you want to do, and what are the other 2
choices ?? Certainly, the Rebel will never be a 300 mph cruiser, BUT, if
you want to fly out of small grass fields, or carry a ton of camping gear,
or go into those backwoods lakes on floats, you can't beat the Rebel !

There have been several similar questions - if you want, I'll try
to email you copies of recent correspondence ....

....bobp

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Tim, my last posting was also for you and anyone else that is sorting out
what kit to purchase. Al Paxhia SR026




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The Rebel sounds ideal for your needs ! We too fly IFR - I Follow
Roads, Rivers, Railroads, and even Busses in a pinch !! Have been over
a LOT of North America in the Rebel, from Florida to Newfoundland to B.C.
to Kuujuaq (near Hudson Strait), up to 16,000 ft, and down to ....
well, fairly low, in fog ... ;-)

This list is a great resource for support. Murphy also has the
factory web site, with separate tech areas for builders only, and a Tech
Support department that can be reached by email, toll-free fax, or
telephone, if you need them. The manuals are constantly being improved,
and are pretty good - you can buy a set if you're not sure, and the
cost will be deducted when you order a kit. Several have done that.

Murphy have been building quality aircraft kits for over 14 years
now, and are by far the largest kit manufaturer in Canada, and one of
the most automated in North America. We use CNC lathes, mills, and
turret punches to produce a kit with fully formed ribs, bulkheads,
and skins that are cut to size, formed, and pre-punched, so NO jigs
are needed for construction. We even make our OWN wheels & brakes !
There are Murphy aircraft flying all over the world - France, England,
Italy, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, and even Cyprus, and Russia !!

The manuals do a section at a time - rudder, elevators, wing,
etc. Each section starts with a list of the parts you will need, the
tools required, and an exploded CAD drawing of the assembly. The text
then goes step-by-step through the assembly. It REALLY pays to read
ahead several sections, and think ahead....

Darryl Murphy & Dick Hiscock designed the Rebel together - Dick
also helped design the DeHavilland Beaver and Otter, during his many
years at D-H (V-P Engineering). The Rebel had a complete stress analysis
AND static testing to destruction in special stands, followed by a thorough
flight test program that included spins with a variable C of G arrangement
that took them to 3" AFT of the now-approved limit !! I don't think there
are any kits that have MORE safety built in !

The kit is VERY complete - wheels, tires, brakes, electric trim,
2 fuel tanks, fully formed Plexiglass windshield, ... even the epoxy zinc
chromate corrosion proofing is included. About the only option you might
(should) add is the float fittings, for $105 !

You don't have to worry so much about the elements with the metal
Rebel - our #001 has been outside most of it's 8 years, including several
Canadian winters, and still looks good. The wings can be removed by two
people in about 45 minutes, for winter work.

One of the nice things about the Rebel is the full-span flapperons -
unlike the Kitfox, they form part of the wing. This allows the use of
negative flapperon to change the shape of the whole wing - reducing induced
drag, giving higher cruise speeds, and making the Rebel ride like a MUCH
larger aircraft on bumpy days !!
Gliders have been doing this for years, but I believe the Maule
is the only production airplane that has negative flaps, and they're only
part span.

Of course, if you moved a little closer, you could come to the
Rebel Builders of Ontario meetings every 2 months, and share tips &
tricks with some of the 100+ Rebel builders in Ontario ! :-)

Hope that covered some of your concerns !!

....bobp
-------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------
At 11:04 PM 10/27/98 -0800, you wrote:

Thanks Bob,

I guess I should just confess to the list that my other 2 choices were the
Kitfox and the Avid (everyone stop laughing). Although from what I am
hearing about the financial status of Avid, I don't think they are on my
"short list" anymore. I like the Fox because of the sheer number of kits
out there, and the great factory and builder support that they have. Also
folding wings were once high on my list, but I would eventually build a
full sized hangar on my farm because I would get tired of folding and
unfolding anyway. And finally, from what I understand from talking to
other Fox builders, the kit is very well put together, although the manuals
do need a little updating, but that is where the support comes in.

I dislike the "rag" construction. 99% of my ground operations are going to
be from dirt and gravel roads, wheat stubble fields, and grass strips
(rough grass at that). My main objective is low and slow, IFR (I Fly
Roads), admire my growing crops or "LOOK AT ALL THOSE WEEDS", let's sneak
up on the neighbors tractor and wake him up sort of flying I fell in love
with the Rebel the first time I saw it at the Arlington Air Fair about 6 or
7 years ago. Until that time I was all hyped up about Denny Aircraft now
Skystar. Well it is now 6 or 7 years later and I am realizing that 35 will
turn into 45 and then 55 and then hopefully still alive, so it is time to
get serious or forget it.

I guess my main concern is with support rather than the aircraft itself. I
am interested in builder and factory support, (that's why I subscribed to
this list). I am concerned about company stability. I'm sure many of you
on the list will be able to help me out with these concerns.

What other forms of support are there out here on the web? I already know
of 2 Rebels relatively close to me that I didn't know about prior to this
list subscription. What can I expect from factory support? How well
thought out is the kit? How complete is the kit? What are the manuals
like? How much longer do I have to wait before my Cougars make it to
another Rose Bowl (I can't wait 67 years again). Too many questions. I
will just sit back and watch the list do its' thing. E-mail is the perfect
tool for just this sort of thing.

Again, thanks in advance for all the great info.
Tim

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At 12:13 PM 10/27/98 -0500, you wrote:

Welcome to the group, Tim !!

We all think the Rebel is the best choice (big grin), but we're happy
to help. What kind of flying do you want to do, and what are the other 2
choices ?? Certainly, the Rebel will never be a 300 mph cruiser, BUT, if
you want to fly out of small grass fields, or carry a ton of camping gear,
or go into those backwoods lakes on floats, you can't beat the Rebel !

There have been several similar questions - if you want, I'll try
to email you copies of recent correspondence ....

....bobp

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