For builders of Murphy Aircraft Manufacturing kits - Bringing builders together
https://www.murphybuilders.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: Andreas Blech (blech@thegrid.net)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 8:26 PM
Subject: unsubscribe
unsubscribe
please unsubscribe me
-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Subscription services located at:
https://www.dcsol.com/public/code/html-subscribe.htm
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks Ron & Ken,
I have considered the extension, I just wanted to save the extra $100.
using the Andair.and I was hesitant to add more possible failure points to the valve.
It sounds like that might be the best option though if I do end up
My reasons for wanting to use it are; A) putting the selector in front
of you where it will be in your scan. B) Having a fuel shutoff closer
to the firewall in case of engine fire. C) It looks cool.
Practicality may win out, but I haven't given up yet.
Jesse
Have you considered the extension rods Andair makes for their valve
selector switches? You could place the selector some distance from the
valve. See http://www.andair.co.uk/system/index.html
Ron
254R
From: Ken
Reply-To:
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel plumbing for Andair valve
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:32:15 -0400
One consideration might be that inpectors could want a water drain in
flow a bit.EVERY low point of the fuel line which you seem aware of. And not
just water from the fuel tank as they may even be concerned about
water separating out of the fuel in the line and freezing during
extended seasonal parking. Seems unlikely to me but I guess it could
cause a partial blockage. Another is that you should avoid any high
points for air or vapour to collect in and restrict liquid flow. An
upslope to the valve and a downslope to the gascolator could be a
problem. Gets more difficult if you are catering to tailwheel and
also floats. And of course every right angle fitting will reduce the
The simple MAM design has its advantages.
Ken
Jesse Jenks wrote:
centerI am trying to figure out a preliminary plumbing plan for the
between-the-seats area. I want to use an Andair valve. I will have
aseeconsole between the seats to cover the controll cables. At this
point Ifloor2 placement options. One would be horizontally mounted on top of
the console. This may be a tight fit with fuel lines and cables in
a 4" wide console. I will also have the hydraulic pump between the
seats aft of the console. Option 2 is to mount the fuel valve
vertically, below the instrument pannel, on a center pannel that
would connect the instrument pannel with the center console. This
would put the valve about 8" off the floor, come to think of it,
either option will raise the valve up fromlevel. So my question is how is this going to effect fuel and water
inflowthe lines? I assume with all the head pressure from the wing tanks,
fuelthewill not have a problem flowing up hill a bit from the floor before
going forward to the firewall. I will have low point drains between
it goes forward)?andthe tanksthe selector valve, so the vertical section of plumbing shouldn't
be a problem for water draining. Am I right to assume any water
forward of the selector valve will drain forward to the gascolator
and be taken care of there (assuming the line has a down slope as
---------- Digest Message #2 ----------Thanks
Jesse
-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login username
"rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------
From: lawsondj@comcast.net
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel plumbing for Andair valve
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:49:16 +0000
Jesse,
I have just finished installing an Andair fuel valve, without extension
handle. Ishaft, in the floor between the front seats, forward of the flap
shortmade a support web of 0.040" steel to position the valve just under a
tosection of the 9" wide center floor panel. The support web allows you
get under the valve to wrench on the valve connections. Since the valve
4x4x2"handle and escutcheon plate are mounted at floor level, I've added a
valvehinged box over the handle to keep the shoes and coffee out of the
I'llarea. The box has a plexiglass lid to view the handle/valve positions.
$100.email you a couple of pics if you like.
Jack Joos, SR193
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
Thanks Ron & Ken,
I have considered the extension, I just wanted to save the extra
soundsand Iwas hesitant to add more possible failure points to the valve. It
frontAndair.like that might be the best option though if I do end up using theMy reasons for wanting to use it are; A) putting the selector in
toofyou where it will be in your scan. B) Having a fuel shutoff closer
thethefirewall in case of engine fire. C) It looks cool.
Practicality may win out, but I haven't given up yet.
Jesse
Have you considered the extension rods Andair makes for their valve
selector switches? You could place the selector some distance from
invalve. See http://www.andair.co.uk/system/index.html
Ron
254R
From: Ken
Reply-To:
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel plumbing for Andair valve
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:32:15 -0400
One consideration might be that inpectors could want a water drain
justEVERY low point of the fuel line which you seem aware of. And not
forwater from the fuel tank as they may even be concerned about water
separating out of the fuel in the line and freezing during extended
seasonal parking. Seems unlikely to me but I guess it could cause a
partial blockage. Another is that you should avoid any high points
theair or vapour to collect in and restrict liquid flow. An upslope to
morevalve and a downslope to the gascolator could be a problem. Gets
have adifficult if you are catering to tailwheel and also floats. And of
course every right angle fitting will reduce the flow a bit.
The simple MAM design has its advantages.
Ken
Jesse Jenks wrote:
pointcenter
theIsee
4"
aft ofwide
thethe
offinstrument
the
waterfromfloor
tanks,flowin
beforethefuel
going
betanksand
forward ofa
carethe
----------of
-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
List archives located at: https://www.dcsol.com/login
username "rebel" password "builder"
Unsubscribe: rebel-builders-unsubscribe@dcsol.com
List administrator: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------