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Digest of list: rebel-builders-d Total messages in digest: 2

1 Date : Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:49:16 +0000
From : lawsondj@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel plumbing for Andair valve

2 Date : Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:26:37 -0700
From : jessejenks@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel plumbing for Andair valve


---------- Digest Message #1 ----------
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:49:16 +0000
From: lawsondj@comcast.net
To: rebel-builders
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel plumbing for Andair valve

Jesse,
I have just finished installing an Andair fuel valve, without extension
shaft, in the floor between the front seats, forward of the flap handle.
I made a support web of 0.040" steel to position the valve just under a
short section of the 9" wide center floor panel. The support web allows
you to get under the valve to wrench on the valve connections. Since the
valve handle and escutcheon plate are mounted at floor level, I've added
a 4x4x2" hinged box over the handle to keep the shoes and coffee out of
the valve area. The box has a plexiglass lid to view the handle/valve
positions. I'll email you a couple of pics if you like.

Jack Joos, SR193

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>

Thanks Ron & Ken,
I have considered the extension, I just wanted to save the extra $100.

and I was hesitant to add more possible failure points to the valve.
It sounds like that might be the best option though if I do end up

using the Andair.

My reasons for wanting to use it are; A) putting the selector in front

of you where it will be in your scan. B) Having a fuel shutoff closer
to the firewall in case of engine fire. C) It looks cool.
Practicality may win out, but I haven't given up yet.
Jesse




Have you considered the extension rods Andair makes for their valve
selector switches? You could place the selector some distance from the

valve. See http://www.andair.co.uk/system/index.html

Ron
254R

From: Ken
Reply-To:
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel plumbing for Andair valve
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:32:15 -0400

One consideration might be that inpectors could want a water drain in

EVERY low point of the fuel line which you seem aware of. And not
just water from the fuel tank as they may even be concerned about
water separating out of the fuel in the line and freezing during
extended seasonal parking. Seems unlikely to me but I guess it could
cause a partial blockage. Another is that you should avoid any high
points for air or vapour to collect in and restrict liquid flow. An
upslope to the valve and a downslope to the gascolator could be a
problem. Gets more difficult if you are catering to tailwheel and
also floats. And of course every right angle fitting will reduce the

flow a bit.

The simple MAM design has its advantages.

Ken

Jesse Jenks wrote:

I am trying to figure out a preliminary plumbing plan for the
between-the-seats area. I want to use an Andair valve. I will have
a

center

console between the seats to cover the controll cables. At this
point I

see

2 placement options. One would be horizontally mounted on top of
the console. This may be a tight fit with fuel lines and cables in
a 4" wide console. I will also have the hydraulic pump between the
seats aft of the console. Option 2 is to mount the fuel valve
vertically, below the instrument pannel, on a center pannel that
would connect the instrument pannel with the center console. This
would put the valve about 8" off the floor, come to think of it,
either option will raise the valve up from

floor

level. So my question is how is this going to effect fuel and water

flow

in

the lines? I assume with all the head pressure from the wing tanks,

the

fuel

will not have a problem flowing up hill a bit from the floor before

going forward to the firewall. I will have low point drains between

the tanks

and

the selector valve, so the vertical section of plumbing shouldn't
be a problem for water draining. Am I right to assume any water
forward of the selector valve will drain forward to the gascolator
and be taken care of there (assuming the line has a down slope as

it goes forward)?

Thanks
Jesse

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---------- Digest Message #2 ----------
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:26:37 -0700
From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel plumbing for Andair valve

Jack,
I would love to see some pics. Post them to the archives if you can.
The Rebel floor is only 2" deep. I think the SR has more room under the
floor, but I would like to see your installation anyway. I have sprouted

many ideas already from looking at Moose and SR construction pics.
Thanks.
Jesse

From: lawsondj@comcast.net
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel plumbing for Andair valve
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:49:16 +0000

Jesse,
I have just finished installing an Andair fuel valve, without extension

shaft, in the floor between the front seats, forward of the flap

handle. I

made a support web of 0.040" steel to position the valve just under a

short

section of the 9" wide center floor panel. The support web allows you

to

get under the valve to wrench on the valve connections. Since the valve

handle and escutcheon plate are mounted at floor level, I've added a

4x4x2"

hinged box over the handle to keep the shoes and coffee out of the

valve

area. The box has a plexiglass lid to view the handle/valve positions.

I'll

email you a couple of pics if you like.

Jack Joos, SR193

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>

Thanks Ron & Ken,
I have considered the extension, I just wanted to save the extra

$100.

and I

was hesitant to add more possible failure points to the valve. It

sounds

like that might be the best option though if I do end up using the

Andair.

My reasons for wanting to use it are; A) putting the selector in

front

of

you where it will be in your scan. B) Having a fuel shutoff closer

to

the

firewall in case of engine fire. C) It looks cool.
Practicality may win out, but I haven't given up yet.
Jesse




Have you considered the extension rods Andair makes for their valve
selector switches? You could place the selector some distance from

the

valve. See http://www.andair.co.uk/system/index.html

Ron
254R

From: Ken
Reply-To:
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel plumbing for Andair valve
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:32:15 -0400

One consideration might be that inpectors could want a water drain

in

EVERY low point of the fuel line which you seem aware of. And not

just

water from the fuel tank as they may even be concerned about water
separating out of the fuel in the line and freezing during extended
seasonal parking. Seems unlikely to me but I guess it could cause a
partial blockage. Another is that you should avoid any high points

for

air or vapour to collect in and restrict liquid flow. An upslope to

the

valve and a downslope to the gascolator could be a problem. Gets

more

difficult if you are catering to tailwheel and also floats. And of
course every right angle fitting will reduce the flow a bit.

The simple MAM design has its advantages.

Ken

Jesse Jenks wrote:

have a

center

point

I

see

the

4"

wide

aft of

the

the

instrument

off

the

from

floor

water

flow

in

tanks,

the

fuel

before

going

tanks

and

be

a

forward of

the

care

of

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