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Hi,

We are still in the process of building our Rebel and enjoying every
post to this list.

We have a question for those of you that have been flying, (Bob,
Wayne and/or anyone else). We are in the process of looking for some
ground to retire to in the next couple of years and would like to
know how much room should be planned for landing and takeoff and any
other words of wisdom from the list.


Thank You

Dave and Bert Klimas
Ramona, CA



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In a message dated 10/1/01 1:13:34 PM Central Daylight Time, rebel472@home.com writes:

We are in the process of looking for some
ground to retire to in the next couple of years and would like to
know how much room should be planned for landing and takeoff and any
other words of wisdom from the list.

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In a message dated 10/1/01 1:13:34 PM Central Daylight Time, rebel472@home.com writes:

We are in the process of looking for some
ground to retire to in the next couple of years and would like to
know how much room should be planned for landing and takeoff and any
other words of wisdom from the list.

DAVE&BERT
I fly off a grass strip 1500' X 45' and usually have 200' to 400' left over after landing.
That's without flaps just slipping it like a cub, not the most efficient way to land.
I'm sure Bob P. or Wayne can be a lot more efficient than that. But 1500' is plenty comfortable.
Phil&Lisa Smith #460R N414D

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Dave and Bert

With no obstacles to clear, or fences to give the right of way too, 1000
feet will do you just fine. If you want the ability to have any visitors
come to admire your airplane you'd better have a minimum of 1500 feet
without obstacles. I find 2000 feet, with obstacles, very comfortable and
rarely even use the first 1000 feet to land/roll out etc and I have
obstacles at both ends (one end 95 foot high trees AT the very end of the
strip!). Wheels rarely touch the ground before the first 500 feet have gone
by, so really only using about 500 feet to land. Don't need that much to
take off most of the time. Wet snow on skis sometimes takes about 1000 feet,
but in good snow conditions it usually takes less than the distance required
on wheels (guess that's not a concern for you!).

Wayne

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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: Landing Requirements, Rebel


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Hi,

We are still in the process of building our Rebel and enjoying every
post to this list.

We have a question for those of you that have been flying, (Bob,
Wayne and/or anyone else). We are in the process of looking for some
ground to retire to in the next couple of years and would like to
know how much room should be planned for landing and takeoff and any
other words of wisdom from the list.


Thank You

Dave and Bert Klimas
Ramona, CA

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Dave and Bert,

On the length of a landing strip. Well, That's a tough question to answer.
Depending on clearances at the ends of your strip, like trees, hills or even
neighbors homes, and depending on your pilot skills and your comfort level,
and how many of your friends you would like to fly their birds in to see you.

If it was me I would want a 1000 feet minimum and 1500 would be better. I fly
into a friends place that only has 700 feet, but It makes my palms me sweaty.
It's on a slope, on the side of a mountain, with one way in and one way out.
Once you commit that's it! Steve doesn't get many visitors.

I can land in a lot shorter distance than I can get out of, with my Kitfox.
The Rebel may be very similar. Brian, Wayne, Bob?

Bruce G




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Bruce, the exact opposite of that is a great thing about the Rebel, when the
weight to power ratio is less than about 12.5lb to 1hp. It will take off in
LESS distance than you can land it in! You won't ever get caught in areas
like some Super Cub drivers do, where they land somewhere and can't take
back off! Heard a great tale from a (180 H.P) Rebel driver on straight EDO
2000 floats this summer. He was fishing a small lake when a Super Cub
thought it would come down and join him on this normally off limit (due to
size) lake. After a couple attempts to get back off the lake the Super Cub
pilot gave up and moored his SC to a beach and then climbed in with the
Rebel pilot. They departed the lake in the Rebel together. The Rebel pilot
apparently brought the Super Cub pilot back a couple days later when the
wind was blowing fairly hard and he was finally able to get it off the lake!

Take care,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

I can land in a lot shorter distance than I can get out of, with my

Kitfox.

The Rebel may be very similar. Brian, Wayne, Bob?

Bruce G

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Wayne,
Great story about the Super Cub verse Rebel! The certified world has nothing
over use home builders... But when you try and tell them this, they just give
you that blank stare, like you full of yourself. They just don't get it. What
a great "I told you so" story. Thanks for sharing.
Bruce G




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Thank you all for the feedback on our question on takeoff and landing room.

Actually Wayne we are looking in the northeastern Washington and
Idaho area. From what we hear they do get snow. ;^)

Dave and Bert

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Dave and Bert

With no obstacles to clear, or fences to give the right of way too, 1000
feet will do you just fine. If you want the ability to have any visitors
come to admire your airplane you'd better have a minimum of 1500 feet
without obstacles. I find 2000 feet, with obstacles, very comfortable and
rarely even use the first 1000 feet to land/roll out etc and I have
obstacles at both ends (one end 95 foot high trees AT the very end of the
strip!). Wheels rarely touch the ground before the first 500 feet have gone
by, so really only using about 500 feet to land. Don't need that much to
take off most of the time. Wet snow on skis sometimes takes about 1000 feet,
but in good snow conditions it usually takes less than the distance required
on wheels (guess that's not a concern for you!).

Wayne

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From: "Dave Klimas" <rebel472@home.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: Landing Requirements, Rebel

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Hi,

We are still in the process of building our Rebel and enjoying every
post to this list.

We have a question for those of you that have been flying, (Bob,
Wayne and/or anyone else). We are in the process of looking for some
ground to retire to in the next couple of years and would like to
know how much room should be planned for landing and takeoff and any
other words of wisdom from the list.


Thank You

Dave and Bert Klimas
Ramona, CA

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Dave,
If you are considering eastern Washington or Idaho, you must pick up a book
Called "Fly Idaho". There are over 140 Airstrips maintained by the
Aeronautical society and the National Forest Service, in this book. Your
Rebel is a perfect Plane for this type of flying. Camping, Fishing along the
Salmon and Snake rivers, Hells Canyon, Lodging (for our more delicate
spouses) and some of the most beautiful country in North America.
Some of these air strips are not even accessible by cars or roads.
From Spokane Washington,
Bruce G



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While living in California I belonged to the Idaho Airman's Association and
received a nice book of Idaho Airports from them. Must be similar. Many
Idaho airstrips are not straight. Some have doglegs for the rollout. Many
are one way too. At least one strip that I saw had a warning about the
power line crossing the field at about midfield. Land before you get to it,
and wait until you pass it for rotation when taking off! Johnson Creek,
east of McCall is excellent. Drop down over the river downstream of the
airstrip where the canyon widens, then follow the river upstream until you
see the runway. Plop down on a beautiful, wide, long, well maintained grass
strip and park your plane on the edge of the runway. Walk a few feet to
clean camp sites with wood and an axe provided at each site. Or stay in the
bunkhouse if you don't have a tent. Then walk over to the nearby building
and say hello to the folks that maintain the field year round for the mail
delivery to nearby Yellow Pine. They will offer you the use of a neat old
car to drive into town and get a bite to eat. They'll ask you to put a
couple of gallons in the tank. Take your fly rod for the river. Sit near
your plane in the evenings and watch the dear cavorting and playing on the
strip.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

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Dave,
If you are considering eastern Washington or Idaho, you must pick up a book
Called "Fly Idaho". There are over 140 Airstrips maintained by the
Aeronautical society and the National Forest Service, in this book. Your
Rebel is a perfect Plane for this type of flying. Camping, Fishing along the
Salmon and Snake rivers, Hells Canyon, Lodging (for our more delicate
spouses) and some of the most beautiful country in North America.
Some of these air strips are not even accessible by cars or roads.
From Spokane Washington,
Bruce G
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Mike, Your description of Idaho was right on. I didn't want any one to think
I was making it all up. Thanks.
Bruce G




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