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Oil cooler

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Rick DeCiero
Hello,
Bob P., thanks for the reminder about the baffle for the lower firewall
lip. I had forgotten to do that but I can add it very easily now.
Wayne O., Thanks for the tip about the screen over the oil cooler inlet.
I have mounted my oil cooler as you had posted on your web site.
INVALUABLE INFO! Abou the only thing I can add here is that if you can
look at a Cessna 172 you will see that there is an adaptor that is about
5" long and transitions the 3" scat hose out to the rectangular opening
of the oil cooler. I got this part at a swap meet for $5.00 and it looks
like it will provide a smooth transition to the cooler. I have
contemplated fabricating one for use on the bottom of the oil cooler so
that I can direct the hot air out the bottom away from the gascolator.
Any comments on this guys.
My Sensenich prop has been delivered and it looks beautiful. A point that
others may want to ponder when deciding on the prop is that now with a
certified engine/prop combo the required flyoff hours is reduced by 15
hours depending on your FSDO. This equates to many dollars of your
personal time saved and A/C maintenance dollars. If you figure $ 50.00
/hr for both, you gain $ 625.00.
Other items, Van's has a nice 2 1/4" tachometer. Very inexpensive even
with the tach generator and extension cable. Check it out at their web
site.
To set up the wings I am going to use one of those water level's where
you use a garden hose in between two clear tubes. Hopefully in a couple
of weeks that will happen.

I'm gettin' closer,,
Bye,
Rick D.





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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Bob Patterson
Hi Bruce !

I've flown all those positions - <I> think Wayne's is the best.
It definitely gives the best airflow. Mounting on the back left baffle
puts a lot of weight where it will cause cracks in the baffles and
maybe even the cooler - and it's hard to get a large enough opening.
Also, the exit air flow is not good, and the cooler isn't as effective.
Like the cowling, the most important factor is getting the air
OUT.
I think the manual position was suggested to avoid the
gascolator. A LOT OF THOUGHT needs to be put into positioning
the gascolator - this is an often neglected consideration !
Those who haven't done that yet might want to spend a bit of
time sketching different possibilities ....

.....bobp

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What location do is preferred to locate the oil cooler on the 0320? The
engine install from MAM shows it remotely located on the lower left firewall
with a 3" scat tube feeding it air from the top left rear baffle. I have
seen pictures of the oil cooler attached directly to the top right rear
baffle with no scat tube. This seems to be a better location because it is
not only in the positive air but has no scat tube to clutter the engine
compartment. Any suggestions?

Bruce G

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Bob, Good point to watch where you put the gascolator while you are building
new, with the oil cooler, gascolator etc. Unfortunately mine was already in
place when I added the oil cooler and the O-320. If you look at the pictures
that I posted to the rebel builders site, you will see that my gascolator is
DIRECTLY in the outflow of the oil cooler. Even on a 100 degree day, with
240 oil temps, flying very low power (ie low fuel flow), while counting
trumpeter swans for the Wye Marsh for 4 hours, it never hiccuped once! (I
sure hope it stays that way!!!!)

Wayne

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Hi Bruce !

I've flown all those positions - <I> think Wayne's is the best.
It definitely gives the best airflow. Mounting on the back left baffle
puts a lot of weight where it will cause cracks in the baffles and
maybe even the cooler - and it's hard to get a large enough opening.
Also, the exit air flow is not good, and the cooler isn't as effective.
Like the cowling, the most important factor is getting the air
OUT.
I think the manual position was suggested to avoid the
gascolator. A LOT OF THOUGHT needs to be put into positioning
the gascolator - this is an often neglected consideration !
Those who haven't done that yet might want to spend a bit of
time sketching different possibilities ....

.....bobp

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Wayne, Bob, Brian and all you Rebel rousers,

What location do is preferred to locate the oil cooler on the 0320? The
engine install from MAM shows it remotely located on the lower left
firewall
with a 3" scat tube feeding it air from the top left rear baffle. I have
seen pictures of the oil cooler attached directly to the top right rear
baffle with no scat tube. This seems to be a better location because it
is
not only in the positive air but has no scat tube to clutter the engine
compartment. Any suggestions?

Bruce G
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Bruce and all,

To avoid descriptive details I have uploaded 2 pictures, to the "Rebel -
Engines" section of Mikes site, of the oil cooler installation on my Rebel
when I was upgrading it to the O-320. As I think Bob meant, it is just
<ABOVE> the lower witches hat and parallel to it. This points the outbound
air towards the exiting cowling air flow and not into a dead corner like
MAM's straight up and down installation does. It also allows the 3" scat
hose to run freely without any hard bends and kinks, that happen when
mounted in the MAM position. This slight turning of the cooler makes around
25 degrees (F) difference in oil temperature alone! It works so well, as Bob
has mentioned, that you may want to add a flapper valve to the scat hose
inlet so you can shut it off in the winter and cooler months. To give you an
idea, the newly overhauled engine in the amphib only made it up to 195
degrees running pretty much flat out (2500 rpm and above) for 1hr and 45
minutes (on a 18*C day) and then when the rings seated it dropped to 185 for
the remainder of the flight, with an oil cooler installed in the same
fashion!

Oh yah, don't forget to put some screen in between the engine baffle and the
scat tubes aluminum duct flange while you are riveting it together, so you
don't have mice using that nice orange slide to get down and nest on top of
the oil cooler.

You may find it pretty tight to try and mount the oil cooler to the back of
the baffles and if you can get it to fit you will be fixing cracked baffles
much more frequently!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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What location do is preferred to locate the oil cooler on the 0320? The
engine install from MAM shows it remotely located on the lower left
firewall
with a 3" scat tube feeding it air from the top left rear baffle. I have
seen pictures of the oil cooler attached directly to the top right rear
baffle with no scat tube. This seems to be a better location because it is
not only in the positive air but has no scat tube to clutter the engine
compartment. Any suggestions?

Bruce G

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Legeorgen
Wayne, Bob, Brian and all you Rebel rousers,

What location do is preferred to locate the oil cooler on the 0320? The
engine install from MAM shows it remotely located on the lower left firewall
with a 3" scat tube feeding it air from the top left rear baffle. I have
seen pictures of the oil cooler attached directly to the top right rear
baffle with no scat tube. This seems to be a better location because it is
not only in the positive air but has no scat tube to clutter the engine
compartment. Any suggestions?

Bruce G




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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Legeorgen
Wayne,

Thanks for the pics. Do you have a problem with the oil cooler's exiting air
blowing on your gasilator?

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Legeorgen
Bob,

That was my only concern was the near location of the cooler to the
gascolator. Wayne's cooler was all at a better angle for exiting air but it
did exhaust heated air more directly at the gascolator. But if he has no
problems with it, then I guess I shouldn't either.

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Bruce G.

I guess I should stick a digital probe in there, before I open my mouth, but
I figure seeing there are 400 *F cylinders and 1400*F glowing red exhaust
pipes in that cowling already. There is a good chance the air around the
gascolator is probably already well over the 240* F air that is coming out
of the oil cooler. Might even be doing it a favour having it in the
immediate oil cooler airflow!!!

More food for thought!!!!

Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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Thanks for the pics. Do you have a problem with the oil cooler's exiting
air
blowing on your gasilator?

Bruce G 357R

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by A G Yeoman
Hi Wayne,
I made up an aluminium shroud around the gascolater and
ducted cold air through a 1in duct tube to it, better safe than sorry! I saw
that on a Cherokee 140 once--I liked the idea.

Cheers

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Bruce G.

I guess I should stick a digital probe in there, before I open my mouth,
but
I figure seeing there are 400 *F cylinders and 1400*F glowing red exhaust
pipes in that cowling already. There is a good chance the air around the
gascolator is probably already well over the 240* F air that is coming out
of the oil cooler. Might even be doing it a favour having it in the
immediate oil cooler airflow!!!

More food for thought!!!!

Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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Wayne,

Thanks for the pics. Do you have a problem with the oil cooler's exiting
air
blowing on your gasilator?

Bruce G 357R

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Great idea Allister!

Here's more food for thought! Seeing that the gascolator is <usually> on the
left side to match the carb inlet, there's no reason you couldn't mount the
oil cooler on the right side and feed it from the back of the right engine
baffle, unless of course you are already using the baffle over there for a
fresh air feed to the cabin! That way the hot air wouldn't be dumping on the
fuel lines or the gascolator.

Regards,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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Hi Wayne,
I made up an aluminium shroud around the gascolater and
ducted cold air through a 1in duct tube to it, better safe than sorry! I
saw
that on a Cherokee 140 once--I liked the idea.

Cheers

Alister


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Bruce G.

I guess I should stick a digital probe in there, before I open my mouth,
but
I figure seeing there are 400 *F cylinders and 1400*F glowing red
exhaust
pipes in that cowling already. There is a good chance the air around the
gascolator is probably already well over the 240* F air that is coming
out
of the oil cooler. Might even be doing it a favour having it in the
immediate oil cooler airflow!!!

More food for thought!!!!

Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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Thanks for the pics. Do you have a problem with the oil cooler's
exiting
air
blowing on your gasilator?

Bruce G 357R

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Rebflyer
Funny you should mention that Wayne,
That's the side we put the oil cooler on (right) and that has never been a
problem. In fact I have had to put tape over the opening for cold weather
ops. I do plan on making a pivoting door to change the opening size.
Curt N97MR

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by A G Yeoman
But wait! there's more!!

Brake reservoir and electric's seem to be the major players on the right
hand side but I guess there would still be room. That face level fresh air
feed to the cabin is really needed, I will be putting one in shortly fed
from that right hand side baffel. The NACA type vent down low don't feed
enough fresh air to the face area. (especially when a passenger starts to
feel a little green!)

If you are concerned with warm air feeding on to fuel system (as you should
well be concerned!) it can be covered quite easily by ducting cold air onto
the system. Firstly by shrouding and ducting air onto the gascolator as I
have already described and then by running a standoff aluminium shroud over,
and clamped to, the fuel line to the carb. It is very easy to T off cold
air from the gascolator shroud and just direct it over the fuel line shroud,
it weighs nothing and gives great piece of mind.

Having adequate sized fuel lines, proper venting, draining and temperature
control of the fuel system
will take care of a very large percentage of potential engine problems, and
I am all in favour of minimising those sorts of problems!!

Cheers

Alister



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Great idea Allister!

Here's more food for thought! Seeing that the gascolator is <usually> on
the
left side to match the carb inlet, there's no reason you couldn't mount
the
oil cooler on the right side and feed it from the back of the right engine
baffle, unless of course you are already using the baffle over there for a
fresh air feed to the cabin! That way the hot air wouldn't be dumping on
the
fuel lines or the gascolator.

Regards,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
I pull my fresh air in from the lower wing to fuselage fairings (similar to
a Cessna) and with 2" SCAT hose feed fresh air eyeballs mounted through the
FUS-27's that can be pointed directly at your, or your passengers, face etc.
They work great!

Winter must be getting close down there Allister! Got those skies done yet?

Regards,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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But wait! there's more!!

Brake reservoir and electric's seem to be the major players on the right
hand side but I guess there would still be room. That face level fresh air
feed to the cabin is really needed, I will be putting one in shortly fed
from that right hand side baffel. The NACA type vent down low don't feed
enough fresh air to the face area. (especially when a passenger starts to
feel a little green!)

If you are concerned with warm air feeding on to fuel system (as you
should
well be concerned!) it can be covered quite easily by ducting cold air
onto
the system. Firstly by shrouding and ducting air onto the gascolator as I
have already described and then by running a standoff aluminium shroud
over,
and clamped to, the fuel line to the carb. It is very easy to T off cold
air from the gascolator shroud and just direct it over the fuel line
shroud,
it weighs nothing and gives great piece of mind.

Having adequate sized fuel lines, proper venting, draining and temperature
control of the fuel system
will take care of a very large percentage of potential engine problems,
and
I am all in favour of minimising those sorts of problems!!

Cheers

Alister



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Great idea Allister!

Here's more food for thought! Seeing that the gascolator is <usually> on
the
left side to match the carb inlet, there's no reason you couldn't mount
the
oil cooler on the right side and feed it from the back of the right
engine
baffle, unless of course you are already using the baffle over there for
a
fresh air feed to the cabin! That way the hot air wouldn't be dumping on
the
fuel lines or the gascolator.

Regards,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Walter Klatt
Likewise with mine. It is attached directly to the right baffle and I also have to put tape over part of it to keep it from running too cool. I still have low hours on mine, but it is well supported and no signs of any baffle cracking.
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Funny you should mention that Wayne,
That's the side we put the oil cooler on (right) and that has never been a
problem. In fact I have had to put tape over the opening for cold weather
ops. I do plan on making a pivoting door to change the opening size.
Curt N97MR

Oil cooler

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
FLYING AGAIN WALTER????

Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Klatt (Walter.Klatt@home.com)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:31 PM
Subject: RE: Oil cooler


Likewise with mine. It is attached directly to the right baffle and I also have to put tape over part of it to keep it from running too cool. I still have low hours on mine, but it is well supported and no signs of any baffle cracking.
-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com) [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Rebflyer@aol.com
Sent: May 30, 2001 2:03 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Oil cooler


Funny you should mention that Wayne,
That's the side we put the oil cooler on (right) and that has never been a
problem. In fact I have had to put tape over the opening for cold weather
ops. I do plan on making a pivoting door to change the opening size.
Curt N97MR