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From: Bob Patterson <
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Subject: Re: Canadian Inspections
Hi Dave !
Good suggestions ! FWIW, we ALWAYS recommend that new
builders get a pre-cover as soon as the CONTROLS are ready to close.
There <IS> a less-expensive 'sub-assembly' inspection available
specifically for this ...
Based on feedback from the inspectors, they REALLY prefer
to get involved early in the project. This gives them a chance to
advise & suggest sources and techniques - like better ways to
deburr, preferences in rounding ALL corners, etc. (They HAVE
found builders who DIDN'T want to BOTHER with deburring, believing
it was only cosmetic !!!!)
It's well worth the small extra cost to be sure you are
doing things that will satisfy <your> inspector - before you go and
build the whole aircraft using some incorrect technique !
As I mentioned, each inspector has some of his own ideas
and prejudices, and can INSIST, regardless of what advice you might
have received from other people ! We have some inspectors here
whose requirements are such that <Cessnas> would NOT pass THEIR
inspections - and they freely tell builders this !! Usually,
these are things like insisting on doors that can be opened from
outside by popping out the hinges - and placards to tell rescuers
how to do this ... (So much for preventing theft of your radios ! )
Generally, though, they only have your safety, and the longevity
of your airplane at heart, so it pays to get their input EARLY,
and FOLLOW IT !!
The inspectors are interested in more than just the
workmanship - they want to know what kind of person you are, and
your attitudes. A clean shop and proper documents and resource
manuals help a lot. (you are ALL supposed to have <ready access>
(at least) to the proper government publications ...) If they get
the feeling you are sloppy or trying to 'get by', they'll note
your file to be extra careful and check EVERYTHING !!
If you impress the inspector with a good safe attitude,
they have some leeway to let you go ahead and close up some parts
without them being there, as long as they can check them later
with a mirror & light .... Or they might even accept emailed
photos before closing something like the fuse floor .....
This can gain you some time.
These are only suggestions, and inspectors might well be
completely different elsewhere in the country .....
(and Your Mileage May Differ ;-) )
.....bobp
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Dave
Good question, is there a specific criteria on the point at which the
inspector must
look at things before the Fus is "completed"? I was thinking that for the
most part
that the Fus could be essentially complete before inspection.
Bob has raised an interesting concern here about "early" inspections but
there is a
way to reduce your risk on it and that is take advantage of the expertese
of the tech
counsellor of your local EAA/RAA chapter. If your inspector is close by
then they
can drop by when they are close to your shop otherwise you can arrange a
convenient
time for a visit.
In the case where your inspector comes from a distance then treat them to
supper and
make it a social visit as well. The tech counsellors come as part of the
benefit of
being a chapter member and as such do not charge for their services. In
fact they
must maintain currency (that is do inspections) to retain their status so I
have
found ours to be quite happy to come and have a look. It is a great way to
have
someone else experienced give you feedback on your workmanship.
In our case our offically designated (AIR/ABA/DABY) inspector is also a chapter
member so he is there for advice when necessary as well. I am sure
discussing areas
of concern with him before hand will keep the inspection problems to a minimum.
Well, so much for my $.02
Dave R
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From: Bob Patterson <
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Subject: Re: Canadian Inspections
Hi Dave !
Gulp !! Most of the guys here have a pre-cover done early,
as soon as the tail parts are done. This way, you get to meet your
inspector & find how HE wants things done !! If you've got the
whole airplane done, and he doesn't like the way you de-burred,
or wants all the inside corners filed to a radius, or ......
well - you've got to take it apart & re-do it all !!!! :-(
Some inspectors have their own ideas !! Maybe that's not
right, but it IS reality !!
Better to spend the extra money and find out early if he's
happy. The consolation is that he may let you go much further
with completion IF he's satisfied with your work AND your attitude !
(Yes - attitude DEFINITELY counts on their ratings !! - if you try
to slip something by them, they'll REALLY go over EVERYTHING !!)
Best bet would be to request an inspection ASAP, and talk to
the inspector as to what he wants to see ..... Some will let
you finish everything in the fuse, except the floor, while
others have even let the floor go in.
Originally, the idea was to have a pre-cover on EACH section,
as it was completed - to correct any bad practices that might exist.
(of course, if things get really bad, you can request another
inspector ..... probably won't win you many points, though !)
Hope you can get one arranged soon - some areas have a
six - eight week lead time ! Hope things are a bit easier for
you out west than they are in some areas ...
.....bobp
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When is a good time to have the pre-close inspection
done?
I have all my control surfaces, wings, tail, etc.
finished except for one skin. I'm confident that they
are ready to inspect.
But, how far along should the fuselage be? Will the
inspector want the fuel/brake lines, electrical wires
installed at that time? At the moment the structure
is complete, and the control cables are all
installed..
What I would like to do is get the fuselage out of the
shop, and bring the wings back in for closeup. Then
worry about the fuel lines etc once the wings are
attached.. I'd like to be able to do the inspection
all in one go to save money..
Dave Qualley
#057SR
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