The Murphy Builders Site

Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:47 pm**

We got the marine caps with Elite 61E. It seemed a nice touch as we did
opt for the float attach fittings. However, there is was a safety issue
with the ones we received. The cap would bottom the screw threads in the
neck before the "O" ring would seal. In other words , it was impossible to
get a fuel / air tight seal. If a pressure check of the tank was made by
sealing the opening without the cap this would siphon fuel in flight and/or
allow water in. Murphy was made aware of this by email but did not reply.
We are using the flush caps as used on the Van's aircraft, which are
available from Aircraft Spruce. These use a flip top cap which cams over
center and expands an "O" ring to seal.

If you elect to use the marine caps be sure they do, in fact, seal.

As a related issue, Don Smith at Seal Pak tells me the adhesion promoter is
not needed when painting the brushable Pro Seal over a new layer of the
standard Pro Seal.
Ralph Baker
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From: murphy-rebel-d Digest <murphy-rebel-d@dcsol.com>
To: murphy-rebel-d@dcsol.com
Subject: DIGEST - murphy-rebel-d
Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:58 PM

From: APAT@ISTAR.CA Subject RE: Wow - PS 890 A-2 is

the way to seal your tanks!

From: APAT@ISTAR.CA Subject Re: To Bob Patterson
From: APAT@ISTAR.CA Subject Re: Fw: wing tip wiring
From: APAT@ISTAR.CA Subject Re: Fuel tank
From: APAT@ISTAR.CA Subject Composite tailspring
From: LISAFLY99@AOL.COM Subject Re: Composite tailspring
From: WRAYT@SYMPATICO.CA Subject Re: Composite tailspring
From: APAT@ISTAR.CA Subject Re: Composite tailspring
From: APAT@ISTAR.CA Subject Re: Composite tailspring
From: LISAFLY99@AOL.COM Subject Re: Composite tailspring

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From: APAT@ISTAR.CA
To: MURPHY-REBEL
Subject: RE: Wow - PS 890 A-2 is the way to seal your tanks!
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:48:21 -0900

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From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: RE: Wow - PS 890 A-2 is the way to seal your tanks!

Hi Mike !

Ahhhh ! These ARE the same caps I have on Rebel #001 !! We
use a Twonie to open them ...

There should be a rubber "O" ring around the top of the caps -
and it does seal pretty well. I have had a problem with water getting
in only over the winter, and I do leave the caps a bit loose, because
the rubber ring tends to expand a bit, and dry out, so it can be a
real bear to open the caps. Perhaps there's a lube you could put on
the "O" ring to allow tightening completely.

As I mentioned, ours have had holes drilled beside the cap,
through the rubbery plastic support, into the tank. These are fitted
with inverted "J" tubes for venting (and these ARE very important !)
I guess you'd have to use maybe 1/4" or 5/16" tubing to be sure of
getting enough air flow. (ours are only 1/16" ID - enough for the
912 ...) The alternative would be to run inverted "J" tubes up
from the top of the sight guages, through the wing root fairings
on both sides - might be easier.

I wouldn't worry too much about the water leaking, as long
as the "O" rings are in good shape, AND - you ALWAYS check drain your
tanks before flying anyway ! (Also - fifteen minutes or so after
refuelling. I've had water pumped in from several airport tanks !)

I know of several different aircraft here with flush caps
where the owners put inverted plastic butter containers over the
fuel fillers, and secure them with small bungee cords or just
electrical tape, to keep water out. This can be a problem with
all flush caps, although I never had any water problems with the
flush caps on the Super Rebel. These are a higher quality metal
cap with a quarter-turn locking mechanism to seal against the
"O" ring.

.....bobp

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At 10:10 AM 2/24/01 -0900, you wrote:
My caps are made for boats (says "Marine" on the package they came in).
They screw in and once they are in they are flush with the recepticle

which

only sticks up about a 1/4 inch. The cap has no handle or tab.

Instead,

there is a slot which requires something like a quarter to open/close.

The

Renegade Spirit I used to own had a similar cap and I just cut a small

piece

of aluminum to fit in the slot, then drilled a hole in it so I could

hang it

on my key chain.

After reading Wayne's comments on this topic, I am dismayed. He is

quite

right. If the cap leaks air going out around the threads, it will also

leak

water going in. What am I to do? Is it possible to retrofit a better

cap

in the wing I have already finished without having to open up the tank?

If

not, I guess I'll build a little house over the cap to keep the water

out.

Maybe set up a little garden, white picket fence,... Anything but open

up

that fuel tank! Perhaps I can figure out some way to add an o-ring

seal.

Mike Kimball

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
APAT@ISTAR.CA
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 3:29 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Wow - PS 890 A-2 is the way to seal your tanks!

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: RE: Wow - PS 890 A-2 is the way to seal your tanks!

Hi Mike !

Not sure about the caps you have - ours are just a spin-on cap
like a car gas cap - tabs on the bottom to grab onto slots on the top of
the filler neck, which sticks up about an inch above the wing. Are yours
different ?

A tee off the top of the guages is a "Good Thing"(tm) - it
might be easier to have it poke up through the wing root fairing on
each side. Just to make it easier to get at, and to avoid fuel dribbling
down into the cockpit ...

I was just wondering if ANYONE can tell us what the latest
Super Rebel manuals say about venting.... ????

....bobp

---------------------------------orig.---------------------------------

At 11:56 AM 2/23/01 -0900, you wrote:
I'll have to look at the caps again. I don't remember seeing vent

holes in

the cap. I also don't remember finding a leak in the cap itself (i.e.,
where a vent hole would be if there was one). The leak I found was

around

the cap threads. I guess that's a form of venting. I haven't run

across

mention of venting the tanks in the manual anywhere, but I haven't read

the

whole manual yet. I was sort of planning on venting the tanks with a

tee

at
the top of the sight tube, vented cap or no vented cap.

Mike

-------------------------------orig.------------------------------------
To: <MURPHY-REBEL@dcsol.com>
From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: RE: Wow - PS 890 A-2 is the way to seal your tanks!

Hi Mike !

I'm not sure I'd want to trust Pro-Seal that had been thinned
with MEK - might change the flex properties over the long term ....

If your caps are the same as the standard ones for the Rebel,
they're SUPPOSED to be vented. I've always run a 1/16" drill through
the vent holes anyway, just to be sure. Is there another vent on
the Super somewhere ??

....bobp

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At 06:05 PM 2/22/01 -0900, you wrote:

local

that

they

tank

in

a

the

rivet

and
supplied

My

the

looked
tank
brushing

in

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From: APAT@ISTAR.CA
To: MURPHY-REBEL
Subject: Re: To Bob Patterson
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:54:06 -0900

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: Re: To Bob Patterson

Hi Rick !

Sorry - my ISP has REALLY screwed up my email !! The old address
has been erratic for over 3 weeks, and they keep telling me it'll be OK
in a couple of days !!

In the mean time, they've given me a couple of new ones to use,
and one seems to be OK - for now, you can reach me at:

apat@istar.ca

.....bobp

----------------------------------orig.----------------------------
At 08:07 AM 2/27/01 +1100, you wrote:
Bob !

I tried to send you an e-mail last night ...and it came back as
"undeliverable" !?!?
Do you have a new e-mail address ?

Rick & Wendy Harper

Rick & Wendy Harper
16 Tor rd, Dee Why,
N.S.W. 2099
Australia
rjwh@ozemail.com.au
rjwh56@hotmail.com
Ph : 02 9971 7889
Mbl : 0416 041 007
O'seas Ph : 612 9971 7889

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<DIV><FONT size=2><EM>Bob !</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><EM>I tried to send you an e-mail last night ...and it

came

back as "undeliverable" !?!?</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><EM>Do you have a new e-mail address

?</EM></FONT></DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><EM>Rick & Wendy Harper</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT size=2>Rick & Wendy Harper<BR>16 Tor rd, Dee Why,
<BR>N.S.W.
2099<BR>Australia<BR><A
href="mailto:rjwh@ozemail.com.au">rjwh@ozemail.com.au</A><BR><A
href="mailto:rjwh56@hotmail.com">rjwh56@hotmail.com</A><BR>Ph : 02 9971

7889

<BR>Mbl : 0416 041 007<BR>O'seas Ph : 612 9971
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From: APAT@ISTAR.CA
To: MURPHY-REBEL
Subject: Re: Fw: wing tip wiring
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:02:57 -0900

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: Re: Fw: wing tip wiring

Hi Rebel 505 !

Many builders now run tubes through the wing, so that the wires
can be easily replaced if they should deteriorate years later. It also
makes it easy to add new wires later, if you add strobes, etc. Many
production aircraft use grommets & tie-wraps, forcing the owner to
have the wing opened just to replace wires ! Some early builders
used rigid PVC tube, but lately, many have found the clear flex
tubing much easier to install. The plastic is considered safer
than aluminum, because the wires are less likely to rub through
and short out on it.

You are absolutely going the right way, by running your wires
down inside the strut, along with the pitot tubing. This makes everything
MUCH easier and tidier to connect to the panel !

Just suggestions ........ ;-)
.....bobp

--------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------
At , you wrote:
At 10:05 PM 2/26/01 -0700, you wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: carol51
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com.Sales.Department
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:01 PM
Subject: wing tip wirring

Hello from Calgary

I drilled holes in the tip ribs and installed rubber grommets to pull

my

wires for wing tip lights through. Is this looking for trouble. Should I

run

aluminum tube or plastic hose to feed my wire through. The wire will run
down the strut, not straight through to the fuselodge.
All comments will be appreciated,

REBEL 505
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:carol51@attcanada.ca"

title=carol51@attcanada.ca>carol51</A>

</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A

href="mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com.Sales.Department"

title=murphy-rebel@dcsol.com.Sales.Department>murphy-rebel@dcsol.com.Sales

.Department</A>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 26, 2001 10:01 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> wing tip wirring</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Hello from Calgary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I drilled holes in the tip ribs and installed rubber
grommets
to pull my wires for wing tip lights through. Is this looking for

trouble.

Should I run aluminum tube or plastic hose to feed my wire through. The

wire

will run down the strut, not straight through to the

fuselodge.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>All comments will be appreciated,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>REBEL 505</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From: APAT@ISTAR.CA
To: MURPHY-REBEL
Subject: Re: Fuel tank
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:13:59 -0900

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: Re: Fuel tank

Well - - I'm still having problems with my stupid ISP, and
CAN'T connect with LINUX <AT ALL> !!! So I've fallen back to
an old box with WinDoze 3.11, and Netscape 3.0 - works well on
many sites (at least, the thoughtful ones).

I can get onto the new dcsol site, and read archives, etc.,
but I DO get scattered .jpg icons over the text in places, and other
little anomalies. Part of this is because I run with Java and JavaScript
turned OFF - I really don't need flash & dazzle, OR viruses !!

Just a real old stick in the mud, I guess - still like plain
text interfaces. (Still do lots of work in FoxPro (NOT <visual>) !!)

Sorry - still haven't completely chilled ! Get tired of
fighting the M$ machine - but their days are numbered .... I think
even Bill G. realizes it's all downhill from here !! Thank goodness !!

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.------------------------------------
At 11:01 PM 2/27/01 -0900, you wrote:
Gosh Bob... even Netscape on Linux will view these pages. That is if

you're

at least running a version that's newer than that Lycosaurus technology
you're flying behind!

Sorry, but figured you've had a few days to cool off, so it should be

safe

to pick on you a little.

By the way, I hope you noticed that the new archive site still supports
dinosaurs like you, while also offering truly usable features to those

who

are even close to keeping up with the times. :-)

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: <APAT@ISTAR.CA>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: Fuel tank

Thanks Roger, but THIS is one of those stupid, arrogant web sites

that

won't even let you see the pages unless you have the "latest &

greatest"

web browser !!

I don't understand people who want the public to visit their
sites, then make it impossible !! Usually, they are Micro$oft

victims,

who are so brainwashed they think M$ is the only O/S and browser mfg.
in the world !!

Sorry for the tirade - I've just had a day full of these idiots

!

......bobp

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At 02:41 AM 2/24/01 GMT, you wrote:
clips

following

link

http://beta.content.communities.msn.com ... show_photo&

I

D_Community=N

(EST)

cutouts

and
past the

fit

by

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From: APAT@ISTAR.CA
To: MURPHY-REBEL
Subject: Composite tailspring
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:25:59 -0900

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To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: Composite tailspring

Help !!

Is there anyone in Southern Ontario who has a composite
tailspring who'd like to trade me for a metal one ??? We had a
really heavy wind storm here last week, and the composite spring
on my Rebel was sheared off right behind the tail strut supports.

This was one of the middle batch of springs, and was VERY
poor quality - mostly epoxy, with little glass, 'way too thick
in the middle, etc., but I made it fit. I'd still prefer to use
a composite spring on this Rebel, as it's a very light 912-powered
version, and the metal spring just wouldn't bend AT ALL on it !!

Hope someone has one of these composite springs, so I can
get the Rebel up out of the grass quickly !

Thanks !!

.....bobp

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From: LISAFLY99@AOL.COM
To: MURPHY-REBEL
Subject: Re: Composite tailspring
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:32:42 -0900

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In a message dated 2/28/01 12:26:51 PM Central Standard Time,

APAT@ISTAR.CA

writes:

Hope someone has one of these composite springs, so I can
get the Rebel up out of the grass quickly !

Thanks !!

.....bobp

BOB
I have a composit spring I was going to replace with a metal one. I'd

have to

pull it off of N414D and work out shipping I live in the states. Got to

run

to the dentist but will check E-mail as soon as I get back for response.
Phil&Lisa Smith #460 N414D

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 2/28/01

12:26:51 PM Central Standard Time, APAT@ISTAR.CA

<BR>writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid;

MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">

<BR>
<BR>        Hope someone has one of

these composite springs, so I can

<BR>get the Rebel up out of the grass quickly !
<BR>
<BR>

            &nbs
p;            &n
bsp;            
    &n

bsp;    Thanks !!
<BR>
<BR>

            &nbs
p;            &n
bsp;            
    &n
bsp;            
....bobp

<BR>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>BOB
<BR>I have a composit spring I was going to replace with a metal one. I'd

have to

<BR>pull it off of N414D and work out shipping I live in the states. Got

to run

<BR>to the dentist but will check E-mail as soon as I get back for

response.

<BR>Phil&Lisa Smith #460  N414D</FONT></HTML>

--part1_29.111996b4.27ce9e4a_boundary--

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From: WRAYT@SYMPATICO.CA
To: MURPHY-REBEL
Subject: Re: Composite tailspring
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:47:05 -0900

Bob give me a call. I think I have what you want. Willing to horse trade.

...Wray

APAT@ISTAR.CA wrote:

To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: Composite tailspring

Help !!

Is there anyone in Southern Ontario who has a composite
tailspring who'd like to trade me for a metal one ??? We had a
really heavy wind storm here last week, and the composite spring
on my Rebel was sheared off right behind the tail strut supports.

This was one of the middle batch of springs, and was VERY
poor quality - mostly epoxy, with little glass, 'way too thick
in the middle, etc., but I made it fit. I'd still prefer to use
a composite spring on this Rebel, as it's a very light 912-powered
version, and the metal spring just wouldn't bend AT ALL on it !!

Hope someone has one of these composite springs, so I can
get the Rebel up out of the grass quickly !

Thanks !!

.....bobp
--
Wray Thompson ...Rebel 306 ...home page http://wrayt.tripod.com/
My ICQ number is 29764664

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From: APAT@ISTAR.CA
To: MURPHY-REBEL
Subject: Re: Composite tailspring
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:11:36 -0900

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: Re: Composite tailspring

Thanks Phil ! It looks like there are a few nearby, so we
don't have to wrestle with customs, etc..... Appreciate the offer,
though !

I really LIKE the composite springs, so, unless you're having
problems, I wouldn't rush to change it. They seem to be a bit kinder
to the tailsection ... ;-)

.....bobp

------------------------------orig.------------------------------------
At 01:32 PM 2/28/01 EST, you wrote:
In a message dated 2/28/01 12:26:51 PM Central Standard Time,

APAT@ISTAR.CA

writes:

Hope someone has one of these composite springs, so I can
get the Rebel up out of the grass quickly !

Thanks !!

.....bobp

BOB
I have a composit spring I was going to replace with a metal one. I'd

have to

pull it off of N414D and work out shipping I live in the states. Got to

run

to the dentist but will check E-mail as soon as I get back for response.
Phil&Lisa Smith #460 N414D
<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated

2/28/01

12:26:51 PM Central Standard Time, APAT@ISTAR.CA
<BR>writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<BR>
<BR>        Hope someone has one of
these composite springs, so I can
<BR>get the Rebel up out of the grass quickly !
<BR>
<BR>

            &nbs

p;            &n

bsp;            

    &n
bsp;    Thanks !!
<BR>
<BR>

            &nbs

p;            &n

bsp;            

    &n

bsp;           &nbsp

;.....bobp
<BR>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>BOB
<BR>I have a composit spring I was going to replace with a metal one.

I'd

have to
<BR>pull it off of N414D and work out shipping I live in the states. Got

to

run
<BR>to the dentist but will check E-mail as soon as I get back for

response.

<BR>Phil&Lisa Smith #460  N414D</FONT></HTML>

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From: APAT@ISTAR.CA
To: MURPHY-REBEL
Subject: Re: Composite tailspring
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:12:26 -0900

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: Re: Composite tailspring

Thanks Wray ! Will give you a call a bit later .....

.....bobp

----------------------------------orig.-----------------------------
At 01:47 PM 2/28/01 -0800, you wrote:
Bob give me a call. I think I have what you want. Willing to horse

trade.

...Wray
APAT@ISTAR.CA wrote:

To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: Composite tailspring

Help !!

Is there anyone in Southern Ontario who has a composite
tailspring who'd like to trade me for a metal one ??? We had a
really heavy wind storm here last week, and the composite spring
on my Rebel was sheared off right behind the tail strut supports.

This was one of the middle batch of springs, and was VERY
poor quality - mostly epoxy, with little glass, 'way too thick
in the middle, etc., but I made it fit. I'd still prefer to use
a composite spring on this Rebel, as it's a very light 912-powered
version, and the metal spring just wouldn't bend AT ALL on it !!

Hope someone has one of these composite springs, so I can
get the Rebel up out of the grass quickly !

Thanks !!

.....bobp
--
Wray Thompson ...Rebel 306 ...home page http://wrayt.tripod.com/
My ICQ number is 29764664

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From: LISAFLY99@AOL.COM
To: MURPHY-REBEL
Subject: Re: Composite tailspring
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:57:41 -0900

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In a message dated 2/28/01 1:13:01 PM Central Standard Time,

APAT@ISTAR.CA

writes:

I really LIKE the composite springs, so, unless you're having
problems, I wouldn't rush to change it. They seem to be a bit kinder
to the tailsection ... ;-)

.....bobp

BOB
Thats my thought also, thats the reason it's still on there. But I do

have a

metal spring on hand to do a change out. You were a good excuse to get it

done.
Phil&Lisa Smith #460 N414D

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 2/28/01

1:13:01 PM Central Standard Time, APAT@ISTAR.CA

<BR>writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid;

MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I really LIKE the
composite springs, so, unless you're having

<BR>problems, I wouldn't rush to change it. They seem to be a bit kinder
<BR>to the tailsection ...     ;-)
<BR>
<BR>

            &nbs
p;            &n
bsp;            
    &n

bsp;    .....bobp
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>BOB
<BR>Thats my thought also, thats the reason it's still on there. But I do

have a

<BR>metal spring on hand to do a change out. You were a good excuse to

get it

<BR>done.
<BR>Phil&Lisa Smith #460  N414D</FONT></HTML>

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