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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:36 pm**

Hi Ted !

Changed the header...

Sorry, I don't have a parts list - there never was a run of upgrade
kits -- not enough orders ! :-(

Everybody just wanted to buy "some" of the parts ....
some thought the complete upgrade was "too expensive", even though
it was less than the difference between old SR-2500 Super Rebel kits
and new SR-3500 Moose kits ....
Now there are a bunch of SR-2750 or SR-2900's out there,
advertised as "Moose" ... :-(

It's a good time to order parts,though, as we are close to
starting a Moose run .... ONLY orders that are actually IN HAND
HERE, at PAS, <BEFORE the start> will go in the run !

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.PattersonAeroSales.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On Wednesday 04 January 2012 22:02:20 Ted Waltman wrote:

Hello Bruce,

I don't know anyone personally who purchased the upgrade kits SR-to-Moose
that were sold. Bob Patterson might have a specific list that he could
email you?

I created a home-made list, so to speak, by reading thru the SR-to-Moose
upgrade manual sections. Can't remember where I put that list though on
the computer--I'd likely have better luck recreating it rather than trying
to find it. Or I could email you the upgrade chapters for you to scan
through if you don't already have them?

Bob--you're on the list...do you have a factory-approved/generated
SR-to-Moose parts inventory list?

Thank you,

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Rose
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:37 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] #5 Hinge Rear spar for wing Super Rebel/Moose
Upgrade

Ted: Where can I get a copy of a parts list of differences between a super
rebel and a moose. Do you know of anyone that has purchased a Super Rebel
to Moose upgrade kit?
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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:36 pm**

Ted,

If one has purchased an SR2500, it is a SR2500.

If one has purchased an SR2500 and then purchased the conversion kit
upgrade designed/engineered by MAM (fuselage, wings, control surfaces and
windshield - approximately 60 + parts to change) then one has a SR3500
(Moose) and you can therefore register the a/c as a SR3500 (Moose) since
you have the paperwork from MAM noting the conversion from SR2500 to SR3500.

Some buyers bought the "Moose" upgrade when it was offered to them, after
there original purchase of the "Super Rebel". Incorporated the changes into
their build as they built.

For one to take a flying SR2500 and incorporate the MAM conversion kit (all
parts) would not be cost effective.

For one to take a flying SR2500 and incorporate MAM's Service Bulletins or
part upgrades as listed on the website does NOT turn your SR2500 into a
SR3500. All you have is a slightly beefier SR2500.

One can call their A/C whatever they like and register the gross weight at
whatever they like. Remember when you want to change from being the
builder, to being manufacturer....... you better be prepared to stand
behind your product on resale and take all responsibilities for design.
Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen if the new owner ever has a
accident or worse.

There are built to spec Moose out there sporting a registered gross weight
of 4000 to 4500 lbs.

I've also seen SR2500's out there for sale...... advertised as Moose
because they did the mods listed on the MAM website.

Buyers be very aware of what you are buying, it might not be what they say
it is.

Cheers,
Have a great weekend.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Ted Waltman <ted@vafm.org> wrote:

Jeff,

Do I understand you correctly? I assume what you're saying that if one has
an SR kit--and has not yet licensed/had it inspected--then if one does the
SR-to-Moose upgrade one has to license it as an SR since that is what is
shown on the Murphy bill-of-sale to the original builder. Yet one can then
license it at the factory Moose recommended gross weight of 3,500 lbs.
Hence your point is calling it a "Super Rebel" rather than a "Moose."

Of course, one can call it whatever one wants to since the builder is the
manufacturer--that is the key point, or at least that's the way I
understand
the FAA regs.

If the above is not what your below comment refers to, then please
elaborate...

Thank you,

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Micheal
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:54 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] #5 Hinge Rear spar for wing Super Rebel/Moose
Upgrade

Bruce,

MAM was going to put some conversion kits together, but not sure if they
had
enough interested parties. There's about 30 parts in the Fuselage and about
the same amount for the wing, plus the upgraded windscreen.

Remember doing the SR3500 (Moose) mods and upgrades listed on the MAM site
http://www.pattersonaerosales.com/Aircr ... chSpt.html doesn't
turn your SR2500 (Super Rebel) into a Moose.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Bruce Rose
<brucerose@personainternet.com>wrote:

Ted: Where can I get a copy of a parts list of differences between a
super rebel and a moose. Do you know of anyone that has purchased a
Super Rebel to Moose upgrade kit?
Bruce Rose

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:36 pm**

Good points Jeff. Thanks!

Ted

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Micheal
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:38 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Super Rebel/Moose Upgrade

Ted,

If one has purchased an SR2500, it is a SR2500.

If one has purchased an SR2500 and then purchased the conversion kit upgrade
designed/engineered by MAM (fuselage, wings, control surfaces and windshield
- approximately 60 + parts to change) then one has a SR3500
(Moose) and you can therefore register the a/c as a SR3500 (Moose) since you
have the paperwork from MAM noting the conversion from SR2500 to SR3500.

Some buyers bought the "Moose" upgrade when it was offered to them, after
there original purchase of the "Super Rebel". Incorporated the changes into
their build as they built.

For one to take a flying SR2500 and incorporate the MAM conversion kit (all
parts) would not be cost effective.

For one to take a flying SR2500 and incorporate MAM's Service Bulletins or
part upgrades as listed on the website does NOT turn your SR2500 into a
SR3500. All you have is a slightly beefier SR2500.

One can call their A/C whatever they like and register the gross weight at
whatever they like. Remember when you want to change from being the builder,
to being manufacturer....... you better be prepared to stand behind your
product on resale and take all responsibilities for design.
Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen if the new owner ever has a accident
or worse.

There are built to spec Moose out there sporting a registered gross weight
of 4000 to 4500 lbs.

I've also seen SR2500's out there for sale...... advertised as Moose because
they did the mods listed on the MAM website.

Buyers be very aware of what you are buying, it might not be what they say
it is.

Cheers,
Have a great weekend.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Ted Waltman <ted@vafm.org> wrote:

Jeff,

Do I understand you correctly? I assume what you're saying that if
one has an SR kit--and has not yet licensed/had it inspected--then if
one does the SR-to-Moose upgrade one has to license it as an SR since
that is what is shown on the Murphy bill-of-sale to the original
builder. Yet one can then license it at the factory Moose recommended

gross weight of 3,500 lbs.

Hence your point is calling it a "Super Rebel" rather than a "Moose."

Of course, one can call it whatever one wants to since the builder is
the manufacturer--that is the key point, or at least that's the way I
understand the FAA regs.

If the above is not what your below comment refers to, then please
elaborate...

Thank you,

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Jeff Micheal
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:54 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] #5 Hinge Rear spar for wing Super
Rebel/Moose Upgrade

Bruce,

MAM was going to put some conversion kits together, but not sure if
they had enough interested parties. There's about 30 parts in the
Fuselage and about the same amount for the wing, plus the upgraded
windscreen.

Remember doing the SR3500 (Moose) mods and upgrades listed on the MAM
site
http://www.pattersonaerosales.com/Aircr ... chSpt.html doesn't

turn your SR2500 (Super Rebel) into a Moose.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Bruce Rose
<brucerose@personainternet.com>wrote:

Ted: Where can I get a copy of a parts list of differences between a
super rebel and a moose. Do you know of anyone that has purchased a
Super Rebel to Moose upgrade kit?
Bruce Rose

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:36 pm**

Jeff: I emailed shipping@murphyair.com. I want to purchase an upgrade kit if
I can get one. I have not received a response yet. I would like to know what
I will be getting along with all of the other necessary particulars. This
project is not started yet. I want to incorporate the conversion into the
build. If PAS is going to sell the upgrade kit, I would like to know what I
will be getting and what is the cost. I do not need another set of wheels to
hang from the wall of my hanger. I build the aircraft as a float plane
because there are not many runways on the Rock. I am hoping to get some
paperwork from MAM soon so I can move forward.
Bruce Rose

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Waltman
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 11:33 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Super Rebel/Moose Upgrade

Good points Jeff. Thanks!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Micheal
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:38 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Super Rebel/Moose Upgrade

Ted,

If one has purchased an SR2500, it is a SR2500.

If one has purchased an SR2500 and then purchased the conversion kit upgrade
designed/engineered by MAM (fuselage, wings, control surfaces and windshield
- approximately 60 + parts to change) then one has a SR3500
(Moose) and you can therefore register the a/c as a SR3500 (Moose) since you
have the paperwork from MAM noting the conversion from SR2500 to SR3500.

Some buyers bought the "Moose" upgrade when it was offered to them, after
there original purchase of the "Super Rebel". Incorporated the changes into
their build as they built.

For one to take a flying SR2500 and incorporate the MAM conversion kit (all
parts) would not be cost effective.

For one to take a flying SR2500 and incorporate MAM's Service Bulletins or
part upgrades as listed on the website does NOT turn your SR2500 into a
SR3500. All you have is a slightly beefier SR2500.

One can call their A/C whatever they like and register the gross weight at
whatever they like. Remember when you want to change from being the builder,
to being manufacturer....... you better be prepared to stand behind your
product on resale and take all responsibilities for design.
Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen if the new owner ever has a accident
or worse.

There are built to spec Moose out there sporting a registered gross weight
of 4000 to 4500 lbs.

I've also seen SR2500's out there for sale...... advertised as Moose because
they did the mods listed on the MAM website.

Buyers be very aware of what you are buying, it might not be what they say
it is.

Cheers,
Have a great weekend.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Ted Waltman <ted@vafm.org> wrote:

Jeff,

Do I understand you correctly? I assume what you're saying that if
one has an SR kit--and has not yet licensed/had it inspected--then if
one does the SR-to-Moose upgrade one has to license it as an SR since
that is what is shown on the Murphy bill-of-sale to the original
builder. Yet one can then license it at the factory Moose recommended

gross weight of 3,500 lbs.

Hence your point is calling it a "Super Rebel" rather than a "Moose."

Of course, one can call it whatever one wants to since the builder is
the manufacturer--that is the key point, or at least that's the way I
understand the FAA regs.

If the above is not what your below comment refers to, then please
elaborate...

Thank you,

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Jeff Micheal
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:54 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] #5 Hinge Rear spar for wing Super
Rebel/Moose Upgrade

Bruce,

MAM was going to put some conversion kits together, but not sure if
they had enough interested parties. There's about 30 parts in the
Fuselage and about the same amount for the wing, plus the upgraded
windscreen.

Remember doing the SR3500 (Moose) mods and upgrades listed on the MAM
site
http://www.pattersonaerosales.com/Aircr ... chSpt.html doesn't

turn your SR2500 (Super Rebel) into a Moose.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Bruce Rose
<brucerose@personainternet.com>wrote:

Ted: Where can I get a copy of a parts list of differences between a
super rebel and a moose. Do you know of anyone that has purchased a
Super Rebel to Moose upgrade kit?
Bruce Rose

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:36 pm**

Bruce, as BobP has said.... not enough interest from SR2500 builders to
produce the conn ersion kit. To do a one off kit would be too expensive.
Contact BobP or MAM for details.
On 2012-01-08 12:19 PM, "Bruce Rose" <brucerose@personainternet.com> wrote:

Jeff: I emailed shipping@murphyair.com. I want to purchase an upgrade kit
if
I can get one. I have not received a response yet. I would like to know
what
I will be getting along with all of the other necessary particulars. This
project is not started yet. I want to incorporate the conversion into the
build. If PAS is going to sell the upgrade kit, I would like to know what I
will be getting and what is the cost. I do not need another set of wheels
to
hang from the wall of my hanger. I build the aircraft as a float plane
because there are not many runways on the Rock. I am hoping to get some
paperwork from MAM soon so I can move forward.
Bruce Rose

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Waltman
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 11:33 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Super Rebel/Moose Upgrade

Good points Jeff. Thanks!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Micheal
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:38 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Super Rebel/Moose Upgrade

Ted,

If one has purchased an SR2500, it is a SR2500.

If one has purchased an SR2500 and then purchased the conversion kit
upgrade
designed/engineered by MAM (fuselage, wings, control surfaces and
windshield
- approximately 60 + parts to change) then one has a SR3500
(Moose) and you can therefore register the a/c as a SR3500 (Moose) since
you
have the paperwork from MAM noting the conversion from SR2500 to SR3500.

Some buyers bought the "Moose" upgrade when it was offered to them, after
there original purchase of the "Super Rebel". Incorporated the changes into
their build as they built.

For one to take a flying SR2500 and incorporate the MAM conversion kit (all
parts) would not be cost effective.

For one to take a flying SR2500 and incorporate MAM's Service Bulletins or
part upgrades as listed on the website does NOT turn your SR2500 into a
SR3500. All you have is a slightly beefier SR2500.

One can call their A/C whatever they like and register the gross weight at
whatever they like. Remember when you want to change from being the
builder,
to being manufacturer....... you better be prepared to stand behind your
product on resale and take all responsibilities for design.
Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen if the new owner ever has a
accident
or worse.

There are built to spec Moose out there sporting a registered gross weight
of 4000 to 4500 lbs.

I've also seen SR2500's out there for sale...... advertised as Moose
because
they did the mods listed on the MAM website.

Buyers be very aware of what you are buying, it might not be what they say
it is.

Cheers,
Have a great weekend.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Ted Waltman <ted@vafm.org> wrote:

Jeff,

Do I understand you correctly? I assume what you're saying that if
one has an SR kit--and has not yet licensed/had it inspected--then if
one does the SR-to-Moose upgrade one has to license it as an SR since
that is what is shown on the Murphy bill-of-sale to the original
builder. Yet one can then license it at the factory Moose recommended
gross weight of 3,500 lbs.
Hence your point is calling it a "Super Rebel" rather than a "Moose."

Of course, one can call it whatever one wants to since the builder is
the manufacturer--that is the key point, or at least that's the way I
understand the FAA regs.

If the above is not what your below comment refers to, then please
elaborate...

Thank you,

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Jeff Micheal
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:54 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] #5 Hinge Rear spar for wing Super
Rebel/Moose Upgrade

Bruce,

MAM was going to put some conversion kits together, but not sure if
they had enough interested parties. There's about 30 parts in the
Fuselage and about the same amount for the wing, plus the upgraded
windscreen.

Remember doing the SR3500 (Moose) mods and upgrades listed on the MAM
site
http://www.pattersonaerosales.com/Aircr ... tmldoesn't
turn your SR2500 (Super Rebel) into a Moose.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Bruce Rose
<brucerose@personainternet.com>wrote:

Ted: Where can I get a copy of a parts list of differences between a
super rebel and a moose. Do you know of anyone that has purchased a
Super Rebel to Moose upgrade kit?
Bruce Rose

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