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Glad you are going to eat the bear, not vice-versa.

However you decide to cook it, cook it thoroughly.

In my ancient past I saw two cases of trichinosis, one from bear, and one

See:

http://www.epi.alaska.gov/bulletins/docs/b2000_18.htm

Good luck finding the "Big One"

John
C-FRGV

From: angus.mckenzie@sympatico.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] angus mckenzie
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 00:58:56 +0000



The bear came after me on a rock ridge, my fault, stumbled upon
2-100lb cubs + mom and instantly reversed but I couldn't run over the

The Rebel ended up being loaded and beyond so no room for a boat too.
Have a picture of the plane load of gear so will post it when I get
home. Living in a tent on Otter Lk., St.Ignace Island for another
week......Angus

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] angus mckenzie
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 20:01:24 -0400

Wrong colour Angus... open your friggin eye's boy before you pull
the bow back !!



Did ya take the ganoe??

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New guy here. I must admit recipes for bear might be of great interest to
you woodsy types, but the last bear in Virginia Beach was captured by the
local police earlier this year and taken back to the wilderness (Chesapeake)
for release.

However, as I am getting a "used kit " next week little items like cambered
leading edges get my attention. First, would someone describe what that is
and why it is important? Thanks

I must confess that I am a glass guy as I am finishing a Glasair but want to
learn Metal. If the questions sound like I don't know anything about
riveted aircraft, your right.

Mark Banus
Virginia Beach Va.
USA

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of karl
hipp
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:47 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Bear Recipes

Gee Whiz,

I sent Angus an email asking about price and availability on his cambered
leading edge.
Now, about 8 emails later, I still don't have a price, or availablity, or
performance specifications--and it looks like instead of me getting the info
I am looking for, we are getting ready to exchange recipes for cooking bear.

I thought this website was about building airplanes?

Karl Hipp







On 10/1/2011 8:00 AM, John R. Davidson wrote:

Glad you are going to eat the bear, not vice-versa.

However you decide to cook it, cook it thoroughly.

In my ancient past I saw two cases of trichinosis, one from bear, and one

from walrus.

See:

http://www.epi.alaska.gov/bulletins/docs/b2000_18.htm

Good luck finding the "Big One"

John
C-FRGV

From: angus.mckenzie@sympatico.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] angus mckenzie
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 00:58:56 +0000



The bear came after me on a rock ridge, my fault, stumbled upon
2-100lb cubs + mom and instantly reversed but I couldn't run over the

fireburned deadfall so had to decide weather to shoot an arrow at the upset
advancing bruin (at 25yds) or be laying on my back being mauled wishing I'd
shot the arrow. Bear is in the cooler Had a good bull (42"ish) at 15yds this
morning but decided he wasn't big enough for the effort of getting him out
of the bush alone, got him on video anyway.

The Rebel ended up being loaded and beyond so no room for a boat too.
Have a picture of the plane load of gear so will post it when I get
home. Living in a tent on Otter Lk., St.Ignace Island for another
week......Angus
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New guy here. I must admit recipes for bear might be of great
interest to you woodsy types, but the last bear in Virginia Beach was
captured by the local police earlier this year and taken back to the
wilderness (Chesapeake) for release.

However, as I am getting a "used kit " next week little items like
cambered leading edges get my attention. First, would someone
describe what that is and why it is important? Thanks

I must confess that I am a glass guy as I am finishing a Glasair but
want to learn Metal. If the questions sound like I don't know
anything about riveted aircraft, your right.

Mark Banus
Virginia Beach Va.
USA

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
karl hipp
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:47 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Bear Recipes

Gee Whiz,

I sent Angus an email asking about price and availability on his
cambered leading edge.
Now, about 8 emails later, I still don't have a price, or
availablity, or performance specifications--and it looks like instead
of me getting the info I am looking for, we are getting ready to exchange

I thought this website was about building airplanes?

Karl Hipp







On 10/1/2011 8:00 AM, John R. Davidson wrote:

Glad you are going to eat the bear, not vice-versa.

However you decide to cook it, cook it thoroughly.

In my ancient past I saw two cases of trichinosis, one from bear, and
one

from walrus.

See:

http://www.epi.alaska.gov/bulletins/docs/b2000_18.htm

Good luck finding the "Big One"

John
C-FRGV

From: angus.mckenzie@sympatico.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] angus mckenzie
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 00:58:56 +0000



The bear came after me on a rock ridge, my fault, stumbled upon
2-100lb cubs + mom and instantly reversed but I couldn't run over
the

fireburned deadfall so had to decide weather to shoot an arrow at the
upset advancing bruin (at 25yds) or be laying on my back being mauled
wishing I'd shot the arrow. Bear is in the cooler Had a good bull
(42"ish) at 15yds this morning but decided he wasn't big enough for
the effort of getting him out of the bush alone, got him on video anyway.

The Rebel ended up being loaded and beyond so no room for a boat too.
Have a picture of the plane load of gear so will post it when I get
home. Living in a tent on Otter Lk., St.Ignace Island for another
week......Angus
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Karl,

Thanks for the info. Would you have pictures of the cambered leading edge
mod?

Mark Bnaus

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hipp
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 6:31 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] cambered leading edge

cambered leading edges--such as in Robertson STOL kits and Horton leading
edge cuffs will lower the stall speed to varying degrees making for shorter
takeoff and landings.--STOL-- Usually top end speed suffers some.
I am intrigued by the CLE (thats what the engineers call em--"CLE" ) wing on
the Zenair CH 701. It is a very short takeoff and Landing
(STOL) aircraft. It is now out in a 4 place--the 801--which uses
slats--which are sort of like a CLE but not as quite integral with the wing.
They both appear to be really great aircraft but unfortunately they are
tricycle gear design and therefore intended for the "sissy" pilots.

The Rebel is a "mans" airplane--with a wheel on the tail and a Johnson bar
for the flaps.

I have the complete VG kit on my Rebel and land now at a bit under 40 kts--I
am hoping that the CLE kit Angus makes will drop off several more KTS.

Bob Patterson tells me the Hoerner Tips will add even more STOL
ability---Does anyone have the numbers on the tips or the CLE??

Thanks,

Karl Hipp




On 10/1/2011 4:05 PM, Mark Banus HM wrote:

New guy here. I must admit recipes for bear might be of great
interest to you woodsy types, but the last bear in Virginia Beach was
captured by the local police earlier this year and taken back to the
wilderness (Chesapeake) for release.

However, as I am getting a "used kit " next week little items like
cambered leading edges get my attention. First, would someone
describe what that is and why it is important? Thanks

I must confess that I am a glass guy as I am finishing a Glasair but
want to learn Metal. If the questions sound like I don't know
anything about riveted aircraft, your right.

Mark Banus
Virginia Beach Va.
USA

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
karl hipp
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:47 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Bear Recipes

Gee Whiz,

I sent Angus an email asking about price and availability on his
cambered leading edge.
Now, about 8 emails later, I still don't have a price, or
availablity, or performance specifications--and it looks like instead
of me getting the info I am looking for, we are getting ready to exchange

recipes for cooking bear.

I thought this website was about building airplanes?

Karl Hipp







On 10/1/2011 8:00 AM, John R. Davidson wrote:

Glad you are going to eat the bear, not vice-versa.

However you decide to cook it, cook it thoroughly.

In my ancient past I saw two cases of trichinosis, one from bear, and
one

from walrus.

See:

http://www.epi.alaska.gov/bulletins/docs/b2000_18.htm

Good luck finding the "Big One"

John
C-FRGV

fireburned deadfall so had to decide weather to shoot an arrow at the
upset advancing bruin (at 25yds) or be laying on my back being mauled
wishing I'd shot the arrow. Bear is in the cooler Had a good bull
(42"ish) at 15yds this morning but decided he wasn't big enough for
the effort of getting him out of the bush alone, got him on video anyway.

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Karl,

Thanks for the info. Would you have pictures of the cambered leading edge
mod?

Mark Bnaus

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hipp
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 6:31 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] cambered leading edge

cambered leading edges--such as in Robertson STOL kits and Horton leading
edge cuffs will lower the stall speed to varying degrees making for shorter
takeoff and landings.--STOL-- Usually top end speed suffers some.
I am intrigued by the CLE (thats what the engineers call em--"CLE" ) wing on
the Zenair CH 701. It is a very short takeoff and Landing
(STOL) aircraft. It is now out in a 4 place--the 801--which uses
slats--which are sort of like a CLE but not as quite integral with the wing.
They both appear to be really great aircraft but unfortunately they are
tricycle gear design and therefore intended for the "sissy" pilots.

The Rebel is a "mans" airplane--with a wheel on the tail and a Johnson bar
for the flaps.

I have the complete VG kit on my Rebel and land now at a bit under 40 kts--I
am hoping that the CLE kit Angus makes will drop off several more KTS.

Bob Patterson tells me the Hoerner Tips will add even more STOL
ability---Does anyone have the numbers on the tips or the CLE??

Thanks,

Karl Hipp




On 10/1/2011 4:05 PM, Mark Banus HM wrote:

New guy here. I must admit recipes for bear might be of great
interest to you woodsy types, but the last bear in Virginia Beach was
captured by the local police earlier this year and taken back to the
wilderness (Chesapeake) for release.

However, as I am getting a "used kit " next week little items like
cambered leading edges get my attention. First, would someone
describe what that is and why it is important? Thanks

I must confess that I am a glass guy as I am finishing a Glasair but
want to learn Metal. If the questions sound like I don't know
anything about riveted aircraft, your right.

Mark Banus
Virginia Beach Va.
USA

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
karl hipp
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:47 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Bear Recipes

Gee Whiz,

I sent Angus an email asking about price and availability on his
cambered leading edge.
Now, about 8 emails later, I still don't have a price, or
availablity, or performance specifications--and it looks like instead
of me getting the info I am looking for, we are getting ready to exchange

recipes for cooking bear.

I thought this website was about building airplanes?

Karl Hipp







On 10/1/2011 8:00 AM, John R. Davidson wrote:

Glad you are going to eat the bear, not vice-versa.

However you decide to cook it, cook it thoroughly.

In my ancient past I saw two cases of trichinosis, one from bear, and
one

from walrus.

See:

http://www.epi.alaska.gov/bulletins/docs/b2000_18.htm

Good luck finding the "Big One"

John
C-FRGV

fireburned deadfall so had to decide weather to shoot an arrow at the
upset advancing bruin (at 25yds) or be laying on my back being mauled
wishing I'd shot the arrow. Bear is in the cooler Had a good bull
(42"ish) at 15yds this morning but decided he wasn't big enough for
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Karl,

Thanks for the info. Would you have pictures of the cambered leading

mod?

Mark Bnaus

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Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 6:31 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] cambered leading edge

cambered leading edges--such as in Robertson STOL kits and Horton
leading edge cuffs will lower the stall speed to varying degrees
making for shorter takeoff and landings.--STOL-- Usually top end speed

I am intrigued by the CLE (thats what the engineers call em--"CLE" )
wing on the Zenair CH 701. It is a very short takeoff and Landing
(STOL) aircraft. It is now out in a 4 place--the 801--which uses
slats--which are sort of like a CLE but not as quite integral with the

They both appear to be really great aircraft but unfortunately they
are tricycle gear design and therefore intended for the "sissy" pilots.

The Rebel is a "mans" airplane--with a wheel on the tail and a Johnson
bar for the flaps.

I have the complete VG kit on my Rebel and land now at a bit under 40
kts--I am hoping that the CLE kit Angus makes will drop off several more

Bob Patterson tells me the Hoerner Tips will add even more STOL
ability---Does anyone have the numbers on the tips or the CLE??

Thanks,

Karl Hipp




On 10/1/2011 4:05 PM, Mark Banus HM wrote:

New guy here. I must admit recipes for bear might be of great
interest to you woodsy types, but the last bear in Virginia Beach
was captured by the local police earlier this year and taken back to
the wilderness (Chesapeake) for release.

However, as I am getting a "used kit " next week little items like
cambered leading edges get my attention. First, would someone
describe what that is and why it is important? Thanks

I must confess that I am a glass guy as I am finishing a Glasair but
want to learn Metal. If the questions sound like I don't know
anything about riveted aircraft, your right.

Mark Banus
Virginia Beach Va.
USA

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
karl hipp
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:47 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Bear Recipes

Gee Whiz,

I sent Angus an email asking about price and availability on his
cambered leading edge.
Now, about 8 emails later, I still don't have a price, or
availablity, or performance specifications--and it looks like instead
of me getting the info I am looking for, we are getting ready to
exchange

recipes for cooking bear.

I thought this website was about building airplanes?

Karl Hipp







On 10/1/2011 8:00 AM, John R. Davidson wrote:

Glad you are going to eat the bear, not vice-versa.

However you decide to cook it, cook it thoroughly.

In my ancient past I saw two cases of trichinosis, one from bear,
and one

from walrus.

See:

http://www.epi.alaska.gov/bulletins/docs/b2000_18.htm

Good luck finding the "Big One"

John
C-FRGV

fireburned deadfall so had to decide weather to shoot an arrow at the
upset advancing bruin (at 25yds) or be laying on my back being mauled
wishing I'd shot the arrow. Bear is in the cooler Had a good bull
(42"ish) at 15yds this morning but decided he wasn't big enough for
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no Mark--The reason I am making the post is to find info myself on the
Rebel mod.

The info that I posted was general info on a generic CLE

Karl





On 10/2/2011 6:00 AM, Mark Banus HM wrote:

Karl,

Thanks for the info. Would you have pictures of the cambered leading edge
mod?

Mark Bnaus

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hipp
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 6:31 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] cambered leading edge

cambered leading edges--such as in Robertson STOL kits and Horton leading
edge cuffs will lower the stall speed to varying degrees making for shorter
takeoff and landings.--STOL-- Usually top end speed suffers some.
I am intrigued by the CLE (thats what the engineers call em--"CLE" ) wing on
the Zenair CH 701. It is a very short takeoff and Landing
(STOL) aircraft. It is now out in a 4 place--the 801--which uses
slats--which are sort of like a CLE but not as quite integral with the wing.
They both appear to be really great aircraft but unfortunately they are
tricycle gear design and therefore intended for the "sissy" pilots.

The Rebel is a "mans" airplane--with a wheel on the tail and a Johnson bar
for the flaps.

I have the complete VG kit on my Rebel and land now at a bit under 40 kts--I
am hoping that the CLE kit Angus makes will drop off several more KTS.

Bob Patterson tells me the Hoerner Tips will add even more STOL
ability---Does anyone have the numbers on the tips or the CLE??

Thanks,

Karl Hipp




On 10/1/2011 4:05 PM, Mark Banus HM wrote:

New guy here. I must admit recipes for bear might be of great
interest to you woodsy types, but the last bear in Virginia Beach was
captured by the local police earlier this year and taken back to the
wilderness (Chesapeake) for release.

However, as I am getting a "used kit " next week little items like
cambered leading edges get my attention. First, would someone
describe what that is and why it is important? Thanks

I must confess that I am a glass guy as I am finishing a Glasair but
want to learn Metal. If the questions sound like I don't know
anything about riveted aircraft, your right.

Mark Banus
Virginia Beach Va.
USA

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Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:47 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Bear Recipes

Gee Whiz,

I sent Angus an email asking about price and availability on his
cambered leading edge.
Now, about 8 emails later, I still don't have a price, or
availablity, or performance specifications--and it looks like instead
of me getting the info I am looking for, we are getting ready to exchange

recipes for cooking bear.

I thought this website was about building airplanes?

Karl Hipp







On 10/1/2011 8:00 AM, John R. Davidson wrote: from walrus. fireburned deadfall so had to decide weather to shoot an arrow at the
upset advancing bruin (at 25yds) or be laying on my back being mauled
wishing I'd shot the arrow. Bear is in the cooler Had a good bull
(42"ish) at 15yds this morning but decided he wasn't big enough for
the effort of getting him out of the bush alone, got him on video anyway