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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:34 pm**

You can use a piper super cub fuel gauge (glass AND certified) available at safe air repair or Wag Aero. They fit perfectly. I highly recommend it as I replaced flexible plastic tubing that had gone bad. A leak at altitude is not something you want to deal with. Expensive but worth it.

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From: jessejenks72@gmail.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:29:55 -0600

I got glass sight gauges from Texas Sport Cub. not cheap, but they are nice.

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Subject: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line
Date: Fri, Sep 30, 2011 4:35 am

YOU CAN BY FROM BOMBARDIER DEALERSHIP CLEAR MARINE FUEL LINE LAST FOR EVER
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line
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From: drewjan@cabletv.on.ca
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:28:10 +0000

The stuff I'm using now is from the local Huskquvarna chainsaw dealer. It's held up very well for at least a couple years.
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hello .could i trouble a few to let me know what they have used for clear
fuel sight tubes.whatever i have used so far has hardened over just a couple
months and started to seep at the fittings.has anyone used that bing fuel
line from aircraft spruce?it says its blue in color,doesn't say if it is
translucent.any words of wisdon greatly appreciated as always.
thanks so much
jason
817R
27hrs on the plane now!finished float rating yesterday!sweet

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
thtonner@mymts.net
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:44 PM
To: Murphy Mailing list
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line

You can use a piper super cub fuel gauge (glass AND certified) available at
safe air repair or Wag Aero. They fit perfectly. I highly recommend it as
I replaced flexible plastic tubing that had gone bad. A leak at altitude is
not something you want to deal with. Expensive but worth it.

To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
From: jessejenks72@gmail.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:29:55 -0600

I got glass sight gauges from Texas Sport Cub. not cheap, but they are

nice.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Dan Pare" <danpare@live.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line
Date: Fri, Sep 30, 2011 4:35 am

YOU CAN BY FROM BOMBARDIER DEALERSHIP CLEAR MARINE FUEL LINE LAST FOR
EVER
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
From: drewjan@cabletv.on.ca
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:28:10 +0000

The stuff I'm using now is from the local Huskquvarna chainsaw dealer.

It's held up very well for at least a couple years.

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Subject: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line
Sent: Sep 27, 2011 2:07 PM

hello .could i trouble a few to let me know what they have used for
clear fuel sight tubes.whatever i have used so far has hardened over
just a couple months and started to seep at the fittings.has anyone
used that bing fuel line from aircraft spruce?it says its blue in
color,doesn't say if it is translucent.any words of wisdon greatly

appreciated as always.

thanks so much
jason
817R
27hrs on the plane now!finished float rating yesterday!sweet

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

That is the one Walter. Was searching on "fuel sight gages". As these were the best key words I could come up with for search criteria Subject header.

There are two sight gages at Wag-Aero. Do you have a part number and what fitting part numbers and quantity required?

Terry

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From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:28:21 -0800

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
thtonner@mymts.net
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:44 PM
To: Murphy Mailing list
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line

You can use a piper super cub fuel gauge (glass AND certified) available at
safe air repair or Wag Aero. They fit perfectly. I highly recommend it as
I replaced flexible plastic tubing that had gone bad. A leak at altitude is
not something you want to deal with. Expensive but worth it.

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

No, I just found this message. The author is thtonner, but I don't know any
more about it.

Good to see you working on your Rebel again, Terry. Get it finished, so we
can go flying...

Walter

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Terry
Dazey
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:36 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line

That is the one Walter. Was searching on "fuel sight gages". As these were
the best key words I could come up with for search criteria Subject header.

There are two sight gages at Wag-Aero. Do you have a part number and what
fitting part numbers and quantity required?

Terry

--- Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca wrote:

From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:28:21 -0800

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
thtonner@mymts.net
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:44 PM
To: Murphy Mailing list
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line

You can use a piper super cub fuel gauge (glass AND certified) available at
safe air repair or Wag Aero. They fit perfectly. I highly recommend it as
I replaced flexible plastic tubing that had gone bad. A leak at altitude is
not something you want to deal with. Expensive but worth it.

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

Hi Guiys

The sight gauges were order from Univair - Piper Fuel Gauge - P/N U10804-000.

I attached a photo of the installation.

Tom

From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:05:32 -0800

No, I just found this message. The author is thtonner, but I don't know any
more about it.

Good to see you working on your Rebel again, Terry. Get it finished, so we
can go flying...

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Terry
Dazey
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:36 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line

That is the one Walter. Was searching on "fuel sight gages". As these were
the best key words I could come up with for search criteria Subject header.

There are two sight gages at Wag-Aero. Do you have a part number and what
fitting part numbers and quantity required?

Terry

--- Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca wrote:

From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:28:21 -0800

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
thtonner@mymts.net
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:44 PM
To: Murphy Mailing list
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line

You can use a piper super cub fuel gauge (glass AND certified) available at
safe air repair or Wag Aero. They fit perfectly. I highly recommend it as
I replaced flexible plastic tubing that had gone bad. A leak at altitude is
not something you want to deal with. Expensive but worth it.

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

Tom: I received no photo of the installation; I would very much appreciate
that photo, and thanks very much for the part number, regards, Eduardo

El 01/12/11 21:23, "Thomas Tonner" <thtonner@mymts.net> escribi

Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

You cannot attach pictures to the mail list. They just get stripped.. unless
you do like I do and save them to a website and put the link in your
message. Other option of course is to upload them to the dcsol archives in
the photo section.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eduardo Gutierrez Sosa" <lopeco.eduardo@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line

[quote]Tom: I received no photo of the installation; I would very much
appreciate
that photo, and thanks very much for the part number, regards, Eduardo

El 01/12/11 21:23, "Thomas Tonner" <thtonner@mymts.net> escribi

Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

Hi Tom/Wayne: Thanks for the information; I apologize for the mistake. I
opened the part number in the Univair page and there were photos. Regards,

El 02/12/11 10:39, "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca> escribi

Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

I haven't looked at the picture to see just how this site gauge is
installed... but consider that I'd MUCH rather be able to view the last 5
gallons, or so, than the first 5 gallons burned. Murphy's latest site gauge
positioning.. vertical..at the nose of the tank is USELESS ! It needs to be
run from the top front to the rear bottom, right beside the outlet fitting,
to get any real use out of it.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eduardo Gutierrez Sosa" <lopeco.eduardo@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line

[quote]Hi Tom/Wayne: Thanks for the information; I apologize for the mistake. I
opened the part number in the Univair page and there were photos. Regards,

El 02/12/11 10:39, "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca> escribi

Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

HI Wayne: I absolutely agree with you in the diagonal positioning of the
fuel sight gauge. That's exactly how I'm building my new wing and be able to
see when the fuel is low. Most important observation, thanks very much,
regards,
Eduardo

El 02/12/11 11:04, "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca> escribi

Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

Just don't tee the sight gauge line into the fuel outlet fitting !!! You
need a seperate fitting strictly for the site gauge or you'll induce air
into the fuel feed.

Here's a picture of what I'm talking about, taken yesterday on the wings I'm
redoing the fuel tanks on.

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/tan ... ations.jpg

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eduardo Gutierrez Sosa" <lopeco.eduardo@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line

[quote]HI Wayne: I absolutely agree with you in the diagonal positioning of the
fuel sight gauge. That's exactly how I'm building my new wing and be able
to
see when the fuel is low. Most important observation, thanks very much,
regards,
Eduardo

El 02/12/11 11:04, "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca> escribi

Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

..of course the wing is upside down !!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line

[quote]Just don't tee the sight gauge line into the fuel outlet fitting !!! You
need a seperate fitting strictly for the site gauge or you'll induce air
into the fuel feed.

Here's a picture of what I'm talking about, taken yesterday on the wings
I'm
redoing the fuel tanks on.

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/tan ... ations.jpg

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eduardo Gutierrez Sosa" <lopeco.eduardo@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line

[quote]HI Wayne: I absolutely agree with you in the diagonal positioning of the
fuel sight gauge. That's exactly how I'm building my new wing and be able
to
see when the fuel is low. Most important observation, thanks very much,
regards,
Eduardo

El 02/12/11 11:04, "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca> escribi

Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

Hi Wayne: That's another good point that the lower sight gauge fitting be
placed sepparately to the fuel feed line, so no air flows in. I will install
a header tank with air relief line to the top of the wing's tank (exactly
don't know how just yet). This header tank will hold approximately 5 gallons
of fuel and will be installed under the pilot's seat, below the floorboard.
This installation is mandatory for the turbo prop engine.
I appreciate the photo you sent, it's how I will make mine too, and yes, the
wing is upside down.
Regards, Eduardo

El 02/12/11 13:00, "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca> escribi

Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

I have a question about this air flowing in to the fuel lines and I have
heard this mentioned before.On a gravity feed system if you have a leak or a
loose fitting doesn,t the fuel come out? The fuel constantly seeks the level
state so that even if one tank unports the air can only go down the line to
the fuel level in the line,not any lower and when the plane returns to
normal flight or undoes the unporting the fuel flows back up the line from
the other tank. What I,m trying to say is if you unscrew a fitting anywhere
in a gravity system either fuel flows out or nothing happens because the
fuel in a properly vented tank is always in equlibrium. The only way air
could 'leak' in is if a fuel pump was applying suction to a system. I don,t
see the presure or vacumn that has the fuel moving,I only see gravity and or
centrifigul forces acting on the fuel,or am I all wet here?I need to
understand this as I have a rebel with a gravity system and have my own
concerns about the system as is.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eduardo Gutierrez Sosa" <lopeco.eduardo@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: [rebel-builders] clear fuel line

[quote]Hi Wayne: That's another good point that the lower sight gauge fitting be
placed sepparately to the fuel feed line, so no air flows in. I will
install
a header tank with air relief line to the top of the wing's tank (exactly
don't know how just yet). This header tank will hold approximately 5
gallons
of fuel and will be installed under the pilot's seat, below the
floorboard.
This installation is mandatory for the turbo prop engine.
I appreciate the photo you sent, it's how I will make mine too, and yes,
the
wing is upside down.
Regards, Eduardo

El 02/12/11 13:00, "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca> escribi

Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:35 pm**

Hi Ray: Could you be more specific as to which is confusing you:
A) Air coming into the fuel line if you place the lower sight gauge fitting
together with the fuel feed line?, as Wayne mentioned, or
B) Air relief line from the top of the header tank to the top of the main
wing tank?
AS fas as I see it, both make perfect sense to me; how?
In A), the top of the fuel sight gauge fitting is out in the open air as
fuel is consumed; this air may seep into the lower fitting which works as
both fuel level and feed fuel to the engine. In your setup, this may work
properly and don't give you problems, but some engines have both mechanical
and electrical pumps which at certain times are sucking fuel furiously; this
may cause air to enter the fuel feed line, especially if these lines are not
dimensioned properly, i.e. too small.
And B) any air which may seep into the header tank will be vented to the top
of the wing (via an aluminum Versatube) which is where the highest point of
the fuel is. Also, a turbo prop engine will suck enormous amounts of fuel
(mainly during take off) and will tend to lower the level of the header
tank; if there is no vent, the header tank may collapse.
Hope this helps. Regards, Eduardo

El 02/12/11 16:25, "ray" <raybot@comcast.net> escribi