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Welcome Jill,

I was part of the Winnipeg RAA before you joined and built your bi-plane. I
left in 2001 and moved to London, Ont. I know you will find this group
invaluable as I have. I would not have gotten as far as I have without them.
I am just finishing the controls and doors on my Rebel... engine to come in
a few months. I make it back to Wpg a couple of times a year, and will give
you a shout next time. I remember a Rebel built by one of the members... I
cant remember his name but I think he supplied the concrete for the Lyncrest
RAA Hangar. I am hoping to make a long X country flight to Wpg once my plane
is done.

Roland Kriening
Rebel 56



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Shannon
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:59 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] setup queries (was email listing)

Jill,

I've edited the subject line to better reflect your questions. For those on
the list who may not yet know, Jill has acquired a completed Rebel, with a
radial engine, that was inspected but has not yet been flown, and she
resides in Winnipeg. Welcome to the list! :-)

The only movement where the vertical push-pull tubes meet the torque tube
horns should be the normal, very slight rotation of the vertical tubes
around their rod end bearings (~ 1/8 turn or so). Otherwise, the connection
between rod end bearings and torque tube horns should be tight - no wobbles
at all. The fastener used there is a flat head machine screw, with the head
countersunk into the horn. Details of building and alignment of the
controls, including these parts, is contained in Ch. 20 "Control Systems".

The actual length of the horizontal stabilizer struts will vary a little,
depending upon the vertical position of TS-3, the piece to which the bottom
of the struts attach. In other words, the actual length of the struts depend
on what size of spacers are used above and below the tailspring between the
fuse and the TS-3. Bottom line is the tailspring is mounted first, and the
struts should then be made long enough to make the stabilizers level,
side-to-side. If the stabilizers are level, side-to-side, when the fuse is
level, then the strut length is correct.

The manual is available on CD from Murphy (email to: shipping@murphyair.com
).

Ron


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Jill Oakes <oakesje@cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote:

Is the flaperon hinge pt bolt- where the vertical push pull tubes join the
horizontal tube - supposed to be wobbly?

What is the length if the horizontal stab braces?

Is there a digital copy of chapters 17-38?
Thank you
Jill

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Welcome Jill,

I was part of the Winnipeg RAA before you joined and built your bi-plane.

left in 2001 and moved to London, Ont. I know you will find this group
invaluable as I have. I would not have gotten as far as I have without

I am just finishing the controls and doors on my Rebel... engine to come

a few months. I make it back to Wpg a couple of times a year, and will

you a shout next time. I remember a Rebel built by one of the members... I
cant remember his name but I think he supplied the concrete for the

RAA Hangar. I am hoping to make a long X country flight to Wpg once my

is done.

Roland Kriening
Rebel 56



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Shannon
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:59 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] setup queries (was email listing)

Jill,

I've edited the subject line to better reflect your questions. For those

the list who may not yet know, Jill has acquired a completed Rebel, with a
radial engine, that was inspected but has not yet been flown, and she
resides in Winnipeg. Welcome to the list! :-)

The only movement where the vertical push-pull tubes meet the torque tube
horns should be the normal, very slight rotation of the vertical tubes
around their rod end bearings (~ 1/8 turn or so). Otherwise, the

between rod end bearings and torque tube horns should be tight - no

at all. The fastener used there is a flat head machine screw, with the

countersunk into the horn. Details of building and alignment of the
controls, including these parts, is contained in Ch. 20 "Control Systems".

The actual length of the horizontal stabilizer struts will vary a little,
depending upon the vertical position of TS-3, the piece to which the

of the struts attach. In other words, the actual length of the struts

on what size of spacers are used above and below the tailspring between

fuse and the TS-3. Bottom line is the tailspring is mounted first, and the
struts should then be made long enough to make the stabilizers level,
side-to-side. If the stabilizers are level, side-to-side, when the fuse is
level, then the strut length is correct.

The manual is available on CD from Murphy (email to:

).

Ron


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Jill Oakes <oakesje@cc.umanitoba.ca>

Is the flaperon hinge pt bolt- where the vertical push pull tubes join

horizontal tube - supposed to be wobbly?

What is the length if the horizontal stab braces?

Is there a digital copy of chapters 17-38?
Thank you
Jill

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Jill as you can tell, there are many others on this list with much more
experience than me. Ron has always been a great resource for me and has many
pictures posted online, as do others. When the plans or instructions don't
make sense I will always check the builders websites for a pic of that
structure, and if all else fails I will post my questions here. Many times I
have gotten the response I needed within an hour or two.

As for changing out the landing gear, I would have to agree with Bob P on
that one. I considered purchasing the spring gear from Murphy because I
liked the look but went with Wayne's die-spring gear instead. As Bob
mentioned, and having built as far as I have, I would also agree that
changing out the landing gear at this point would be a huge undertaking.
Wayne's die-spring gear is simple and elegant and could easily be
retro-fitted to your plane. It gets rid of the bungees and uses a spring
instead. I have no flight experience with it, but many have them on and seem
to like them. Wayne has always been a great help to builders and is a great
guy to deal with.

Roland
R56



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Jill
Oakes
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:57 PM
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Welcome Jill

Hi Roland
Great to hear from you and I remember you well -sorry you left just as I was
joining raa

Thank you so much for the details this washer helpful
I've now got the wings and tail surfaces on& flaperons -still have to
tighten the nuts and insertcotter pins for the flaperons -any tips on this
as I can barely get a finger + wrench in that tiny hole by each flaperon
bolt

Where can I buy a spring steel landing gear?

Thank you and I look forward to seeing you back in wpg I'll say hi to Harry
Hill for you!

Happy flying
Jill

Sent from my iPhone

On 2011-09-16, at 2:17 PM, "Roland Kriening"<kriening@rogers.com> wrote:

Welcome Jill,

I was part of the Winnipeg RAA before you joined and built your bi-plane.

I

left in 2001 and moved to London, Ont. I know you will find this group
invaluable as I have. I would not have gotten as far as I have without

them.

I am just finishing the controls and doors on my Rebel... engine to come

in

a few months. I make it back to Wpg a couple of times a year, and will

give

you a shout next time. I remember a Rebel built by one of the members... I
cant remember his name but I think he supplied the concrete for the

Lyncrest

RAA Hangar. I am hoping to make a long X country flight to Wpg once my

plane

is done.

Roland Kriening
Rebel 56



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Shannon
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:59 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] setup queries (was email listing)

Jill,

I've edited the subject line to better reflect your questions. For those

on

the list who may not yet know, Jill has acquired a completed Rebel, with a
radial engine, that was inspected but has not yet been flown, and she
resides in Winnipeg. Welcome to the list! :-)

The only movement where the vertical push-pull tubes meet the torque tube
horns should be the normal, very slight rotation of the vertical tubes
around their rod end bearings (~ 1/8 turn or so). Otherwise, the

connection

between rod end bearings and torque tube horns should be tight - no

wobbles

at all. The fastener used there is a flat head machine screw, with the

head

countersunk into the horn. Details of building and alignment of the
controls, including these parts, is contained in Ch. 20 "Control Systems".

The actual length of the horizontal stabilizer struts will vary a little,
depending upon the vertical position of TS-3, the piece to which the

bottom

of the struts attach. In other words, the actual length of the struts

depend

on what size of spacers are used above and below the tailspring between

the

fuse and the TS-3. Bottom line is the tailspring is mounted first, and the
struts should then be made long enough to make the stabilizers level,
side-to-side. If the stabilizers are level, side-to-side, when the fuse is
level, then the strut length is correct.

The manual is available on CD from Murphy (email to:

shipping@murphyair.com

).

Ron


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Jill Oakes<oakesje@cc.umanitoba.ca>

wrote:

Is the flaperon hinge pt bolt- where the vertical push pull tubes join

the

horizontal tube - supposed to be wobbly?

What is the length if the horizontal stab braces?

Is there a digital copy of chapters 17-38?
Thank you
Jill

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My neighbor has spring gear on his Murphy.
One hard landing caused him substantial damage. My Murphy has the
bungees. As a novice tailwheel guy. I can assure you I would have caused
damage more than once with some of my crappy landings had I been on
spring gear.

You notice that the Piper Cub, which was originated in 1930, is still
made to this day,although by people other than Piper, with bungee
suspension. --They must know something.





On 9/17/2011 11:15 AM, Roland Kriening wrote:

Jill as you can tell, there are many others on this list with much more
experience than me. Ron has always been a great resource for me and has

pictures posted online, as do others. When the plans or instructions

make sense I will always check the builders websites for a pic of that
structure, and if all else fails I will post my questions here. Many

have gotten the response I needed within an hour or two.

As for changing out the landing gear, I would have to agree with Bob P on
that one. I considered purchasing the spring gear from Murphy because I
liked the look but went with Wayne's die-spring gear instead. As Bob
mentioned, and having built as far as I have, I would also agree that
changing out the landing gear at this point would be a huge undertaking.
Wayne's die-spring gear is simple and elegant and could easily be
retro-fitted to your plane. It gets rid of the bungees and uses a spring
instead. I have no flight experience with it, but many have them on and

to like them. Wayne has always been a great help to builders and is a

guy to deal with.

Roland
R56



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Oakes
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:57 PM
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Welcome Jill

Hi Roland
Great to hear from you and I remember you well -sorry you left just as I

joining raa

Thank you so much for the details this washer helpful
I've now got the wings and tail surfaces on& flaperons -still have to
tighten the nuts and insertcotter pins for the flaperons -any tips on

as I can barely get a finger + wrench in that tiny hole by each flaperon
bolt

Where can I buy a spring steel landing gear?

Thank you and I look forward to seeing you back in wpg I'll say hi to

Hill for you!

Happy flying
Jill

Sent from my iPhone

On 2011-09-16, at 2:17 PM, "Roland Kriening"<kriening@rogers.com> wrote:

Welcome Jill,

I was part of the Winnipeg RAA before you joined and built your

I

left in 2001 and moved to London, Ont. I know you will find this group
invaluable as I have. I would not have gotten as far as I have without

them.

I am just finishing the controls and doors on my Rebel... engine to come

in

a few months. I make it back to Wpg a couple of times a year, and will

give

you a shout next time. I remember a Rebel built by one of the members...

cant remember his name but I think he supplied the concrete for the

Lyncrest

RAA Hangar. I am hoping to make a long X country flight to Wpg once my

plane

is done.

Roland Kriening
Rebel 56



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Shannon
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:59 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] setup queries (was email listing)

Jill,

I've edited the subject line to better reflect your questions. For those

on

the list who may not yet know, Jill has acquired a completed Rebel, with

radial engine, that was inspected but has not yet been flown, and she
resides in Winnipeg. Welcome to the list! :-)

The only movement where the vertical push-pull tubes meet the torque

horns should be the normal, very slight rotation of the vertical tubes
around their rod end bearings (~ 1/8 turn or so). Otherwise, the

connection

between rod end bearings and torque tube horns should be tight - no

wobbles

at all. The fastener used there is a flat head machine screw, with the

head

countersunk into the horn. Details of building and alignment of the
controls, including these parts, is contained in Ch. 20 "Control

The actual length of the horizontal stabilizer struts will vary a

depending upon the vertical position of TS-3, the piece to which the

bottom

of the struts attach. In other words, the actual length of the struts

depend

on what size of spacers are used above and below the tailspring between

the

fuse and the TS-3. Bottom line is the tailspring is mounted first, and

struts should then be made long enough to make the stabilizers level,
side-to-side. If the stabilizers are level, side-to-side, when the fuse

level, then the strut length is correct.

The manual is available on CD from Murphy (email to:

shipping@murphyair.com

).

Ron


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Jill Oakes<oakesje@cc.umanitoba.ca>

wrote:

the

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