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Hi all, question on the windows ( side windows not the windshield ), I'm
riveting the acrylic between two pc of aluminum and have been told to
oversize the hole in the acrylic and put bushing's in each hole then
rivet.

I understand the oversize holes, however I think the bushing's are
overkill.

Does somebody want to give me some advice?

Greatly appreciated.

Kelly ( Moose )
kelly@tru-form.ca
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Hi all, question on the windows ( side windows not the windshield ), I'm
riveting the acrylic between two pc of aluminum and have been told to
oversize the hole in the acrylic and put bushing's in each hole then
rivet.

I understand the oversize holes, however I think the bushing's are
overkill.

Does somebody want to give me some advice?

Greatly appreciated.

Kelly ( Moose )
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !

Hi all, question on the windows ( side windows not the windshield ), I'm
riveting the acrylic between two pc of aluminum and have been told to
oversize the hole in the acrylic and put bushing's in each hole then
rivet.

I understand the oversize holes, however I think the bushing's are
overkill.

Does somebody want to give me some advice?

Greatly appreciated.

Kelly ( Moose )
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !




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Thanks Wayne, I'm thinking along the same lines.

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:29:19
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The bushings would defeat the purpose of oversizing the lexan holes IMHO.
I
drill everything at #30.. and then open the lexan holes up 2 fraction
sizes
bigger than 1/8ths in my drill box. My brain's toast these days.. but I
think that one's 5/32. Pull rivets with the least amount of air pressure
possible and slowly.

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From: "Kelly M. Ewing" <kelly@tru-form.ca>
To: "MAM email list" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:17 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Windows

Hi all, question on the windows ( side windows not the windshield ), I'm
riveting the acrylic between two pc of aluminum and have been told to
oversize the hole in the acrylic and put bushing's in each hole then
rivet.

I understand the oversize holes, however I think the bushing's are
overkill.

Does somebody want to give me some advice?

Greatly appreciated.

Kelly ( Moose )
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !




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Thanks Wayne, I'm thinking along the same lines.

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:29:19
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Windows

The bushings would defeat the purpose of oversizing the lexan holes IMHO.
I
drill everything at #30.. and then open the lexan holes up 2 fraction
sizes
bigger than 1/8ths in my drill box. My brain's toast these days.. but I
think that one's 5/32. Pull rivets with the least amount of air pressure
possible and slowly.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly M. Ewing" <kelly@tru-form.ca>
To: "MAM email list" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:17 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Windows

Hi all, question on the windows ( side windows not the windshield ), I'm
riveting the acrylic between two pc of aluminum and have been told to
oversize the hole in the acrylic and put bushing's in each hole then
rivet.

I understand the oversize holes, however I think the bushing's are
overkill.

Does somebody want to give me some advice?

Greatly appreciated.

Kelly ( Moose )
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !




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Hi guys sorry for the confusion. I'm working on the bubble windows. (
Pilot and Co- Pilot)

So I'm confused, in the MAM instructions it says "Acrylic" and the bubble
windows I have from MAM. I would assume are acrylic.

I called LP Aero and they told me to use the bushing's ?

Side note: is plexiglass not a brand name for Acrylic ?

Kelly



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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:41:58
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Windows

I also missed you stating Acrylic... I wouldn't even consider same for all
the side windows and skylights. Cracks way too easy, both working with it
and over time from vibration. Lexan gets scolded for the inability to
break
it in a crash senerio to get out through a window.. but the Murphy doors
aren't that strong anyhow that you wouldn't have that kicked open before a
side window pane anyhow.

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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Windows

Thanks Wayne, I'm thinking along the same lines.

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


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From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Sender: <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:29:19
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Windows

The bushings would defeat the purpose of oversizing the lexan holes IMHO.
I
drill everything at #30.. and then open the lexan holes up 2 fraction
sizes
bigger than 1/8ths in my drill box. My brain's toast these days.. but I
think that one's 5/32. Pull rivets with the least amount of air pressure
possible and slowly.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly M. Ewing" <kelly@tru-form.ca>
To: "MAM email list" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:17 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Windows

Hi all, question on the windows ( side windows not the windshield ),
I'm
riveting the acrylic between two pc of aluminum and have been told to
oversize the hole in the acrylic and put bushing's in each hole then
rivet.

I understand the oversize holes, however I think the bushing's are
overkill.

Does somebody want to give me some advice?

Greatly appreciated.

Kelly ( Moose )
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !




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Hi Kelly !

You really should be using the Murphy window frames !
The Lexan just floats in these frames, with NO holes, just
sealant.

Also, the windows should be LEXAN - if you use plexi, you
definitely need bushings to avoid too much pressure.
Even drilling the holes will be a challenge ...

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bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
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On April 28, 2011 01:17:18 pm Kelly M. Ewing wrote:

Hi all, question on the windows ( side windows not the windshield ), I'm
riveting the acrylic between two pc of aluminum and have been told to
oversize the hole in the acrylic and put bushing's in each hole then
rivet.

I understand the oversize holes, however I think the bushing's are
overkill.

Does somebody want to give me some advice?

Greatly appreciated.

Kelly ( Moose )
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !

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Hi Bob
In order to let the side windows float what sealant does MAM suggest?
Charlie E. 802R
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Windows

Hi Kelly !

You really should be using the Murphy window frames !

The Lexan just floats in these frames, with NO holes, just
sealant.

Also, the windows should be LEXAN - if you use plexi, you

definitely need bushings to avoid too much pressure.
Even drilling the holes will be a challenge ...

......bobp

bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com

http://www.Pattersys.com

http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On April 28, 2011 01:17:18 pm Kelly M. Ewing wrote:

Hi all, question on the windows ( side windows not the windshield ),
I'm riveting the acrylic between two pc of aluminum and have been told
to oversize the hole in the acrylic and put bushing's in each hole then
rivet.

I understand the oversize holes, however I think the bushing's are
overkill.

Does somebody want to give me some advice?

Greatly appreciated.

Kelly ( Moose )
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !

Hi Charlie !

You will hear LOTS of suggestions !! :-)

The windshield manufacturer strongly recommends
Bostick 1100 - they even sell it. You can get it at most
hardware or lumber stores, in caulking gun cartridges,
in several colours - I like gray ...

Have used it on several Rebels for windshields,
skylights, and side windows - stays flexible, even in winter.

----------

Wayne - the EARLY LP Rebel windshields WERE Lexan !!
They switched later to Plexi ... much easier for them to
form. Now easier to install, without the holes ! ;-)

Can't remember the setup for the bubble windows -
thought the swing-up windows had a doubler to hold the
Plexi without drilling it .... been a long while ...
You definitely want the opening side window kit !! ;-)

--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.PattersonAeroSales.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On April 28, 2011 04:58:25 pm Charlie Eubanks wrote:

Hi Bob
In order to let the side windows float what sealant does MAM suggest?
Charlie E. 802R
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Windows

Hi Kelly !

You really should be using the Murphy window frames !

The Lexan just floats in these frames, with NO holes, just
sealant.

Also, the windows should be LEXAN - if you use plexi, you

definitely need bushings to avoid too much pressure.
Even drilling the holes will be a challenge ...

......bobp

bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com

http://www.Pattersys.com

http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On April 28, 2011 01:17:18 pm Kelly M. Ewing wrote:

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Hi Charlie !

You will hear LOTS of suggestions !! :-)

The windshield manufacturer strongly recommends
Bostick 1100 - they even sell it. You can get it at most
hardware or lumber stores, in caulking gun cartridges,
in several colours - I like gray ...

Have used it on several Rebels for windshields,
skylights, and side windows - stays flexible, even in winter.

----------

Wayne - the EARLY LP Rebel windshields WERE Lexan !!
They switched later to Plexi ... much easier for them to
form. Now easier to install, without the holes ! ;-)

Can't remember the setup for the bubble windows -
thought the swing-up windows had a doubler to hold the
Plexi without drilling it .... been a long while ...
You definitely want the opening side window kit !! ;-)

--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.PattersonAeroSales.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On April 28, 2011 04:58:25 pm Charlie Eubanks wrote:

Hi Bob
In order to let the side windows float what sealant does MAM suggest?
Charlie E. 802R
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From: "Bob Patterson" <bobp@prosumers.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Windows

Hi Kelly !

You really should be using the Murphy window frames !

The Lexan just floats in these frames, with NO holes, just
sealant.

Also, the windows should be LEXAN - if you use plexi, you

definitely need bushings to avoid too much pressure.
Even drilling the holes will be a challenge ...

......bobp

bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com

http://www.Pattersys.com

http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On April 28, 2011 01:17:18 pm Kelly M. Ewing wrote:

Agree that bushings are likely overkill. This plastic expands about 3
times more than aluminum so oversize holes are good. I also like to use
aluminum rivets with ALUMINUM mandrels that do not expand (non avex) as
they don't pull very hard before breaking off.
Ken

Hi Charlie !

You will hear LOTS of suggestions !! :-)

The windshield manufacturer strongly recommends
Bostick 1100 - they even sell it. You can get it at most
hardware or lumber stores, in caulking gun cartridges,
in several colours - I like gray ...

Have used it on several Rebels for windshields,
skylights, and side windows - stays flexible, even in winter.

----------

Wayne - the EARLY LP Rebel windshields WERE Lexan !!
They switched later to Plexi ... much easier for them to
form. Now easier to install, without the holes ! ;-)

Can't remember the setup for the bubble windows -
thought the swing-up windows had a doubler to hold the
Plexi without drilling it .... been a long while ...
You definitely want the opening side window kit !! ;-)

--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.PattersonAeroSales.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On April 28, 2011 04:58:25 pm Charlie Eubanks wrote:

Hi Bob
In order to let the side windows float what sealant does MAM suggest?
Charlie E. 802R
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:30 PM
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sender

told

hole then

Agree that bushings are likely overkill. This plastic expands about 3
times more than aluminum so oversize holes are good. I also like to
use aluminum rivets with ALUMINUM mandrels that do not expand (non
avex) as they don't pull very hard before breaking off. Ken

Hi Charlie !

You will hear LOTS of suggestions !! :-)

The windshield manufacturer strongly recommends
Bostick 1100 - they even sell it. You can get it at most hardware or
lumber stores, in caulking gun cartridges, in several colours - I
like gray ...

Have used it on several Rebels for windshields, skylights, and
side windows - stays flexible, even in winter.

----------

Wayne - the EARLY LP Rebel windshields WERE Lexan !!
They switched later to Plexi ... much easier for them to
form. Now easier to install, without the holes ! ;-)

Can't remember the setup for the bubble windows - thought the
swing-up windows had a doubler to hold the
Plexi without drilling it .... been a long while ...
You definitely want the opening side window kit !! ;-)

--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.PattersonAeroSales.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On April 28, 2011 04:58:25 pm Charlie Eubanks wrote:

Hi Bob
In order to let the side windows float what sealant does MAM
suggest? Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
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To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Windows

sender

told

hole then