The Murphy Builders Site

I doubt anyone else has more connection or influence, Tom. It's no secret
Dave is often hard to reach and is often late on delivery. (This is not his
primary business.) However, eventually he always comes through, does great
work, and is honest.

Quite a bit of patience is required, but IMHO, it's worth it. Many folks
think the Fife tips are the single best speed mod for the Rebel. Hang in
there.

Ron


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I'm having a very difficult time in getting in touch with David Fife re
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Can someone help and have Fife give me a call - i'd like to buy his rebel
tips.

tom anderson
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Ron,

How much is the speed increase?


On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com> wrote:

I doubt anyone else has more connection or influence, Tom. It's no secret
Dave is often hard to reach and is often late on delivery. (This is not his
primary business.) However, eventually he always comes through, does great
work, and is honest.

Quite a bit of patience is required, but IMHO, it's worth it. Many folks
think the Fife tips are the single best speed mod for the Rebel. Hang in
there.

Ron


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Tom
Heres dave's address. I have best luck contacting him by e-mail. Good luck.

Dave Fife
E-mail Address(es):
aircrafttips@yahoo.com


David K. Fife
3D Composite Aircraft Parts Inc.
428 N. Linwood Beach Rd
Linwood, MI. 48634
989-697-3277

----- Original Message -----
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I'm having a very difficult time in getting in touch with David Fife re
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You will be wasting your time,even if you do reach him good luck getting the
tips.

I made mine out of aluminum.

Andrew E Burr XIV
Vertical performance LLc
Po Box 213
Cassville MO 65625


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From: Charlie Eubanks <charlie@troyairpark.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 6:49:01 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -

Tom
Heres dave's address. I have best luck contacting him by e-mail. Good luck.

Dave Fife
E-mail Address(es):
aircrafttips@yahoo.com


David K. Fife
3D Composite Aircraft Parts Inc.
428 N. Linwood Beach Rd
Linwood, MI. 48634
989-697-3277

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Subject: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -

I'm having a very difficult time in getting in touch with David Fife re
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Andrew: I have though about making wing tips from aluminum. Do your tips
have compound curves? And if so how did you form them? And did they
require welding? Do you have pix. posted anywhare?
Lot of questions I know, but thank you.

Keith P. Tail draggers forever.


On 3/8/2011 6:14 AM, verticalperformance@yahoo.com wrote to rebel-
builders:

-> You will be wasting your time,even if you do reach him good luck getting
the
-> tips.
->
-> I made mine out of aluminum.
->
-> Andrew E Burr XIV
-> Vertical performance LLc
-> Po Box 213
-> Cassville MO 65625
->
->
-> VPHelo, LLc has paid for the design and engineering for every component
and
-> holds ownership of all intellectual property for each component.
->
->
->
->
-> ________________________________
-> From: Charlie Eubanks <charlie@troyairpark.com>
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 6:49:01 AM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -
->
-> Tom
-> Heres dave's address. I have best luck contacting him by e-mail. Good
luck.
->
-> Dave Fife
-> E-mail Address(es):
-> aircrafttips@yahoo.com
->
->
-> David K. Fife
-> 3D Composite Aircraft Parts Inc.
-> 428 N. Linwood Beach Rd
-> Linwood, MI. 48634
-> 989-697-3277
->
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-> From: "Tom Anderson" <n715ta@comcast.net>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:27 PM
-> Subject: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -
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->
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Jeff, I don't have hard numbers, because 254R has always had the Fife tips.
However, before I first got the project 5 years ago, my impression from
researching the archives was that the Fife Hoerner tips would add somewhere
on the order of 4-5 MPH compared to MAM originals. I do know I have gotten
some pretty good performance with just 120 HP, even before installing any
fairings, and I'm inclined to attribute a good deal of that to the tips,
which are the only non-standard aerodynamic component.

Based on the consensus in the archives, and knowing of the delays, I ordered
the tips within two months of first buying the project. They were first
supposed to be delivered in 3 months -- it took 8. I think it would be nice
if Dave would license someone else to produce these from his molds, but he's
not the only supplier who is (so far) holding onto a design. We occasionally
wish MAM would second-source some of its custom parts too.

Whatever the absolute performance improvement is, it could presumably be
duplicated by any "similar" Hoerner tip. However, it would be a challenge to
reproduce the Fife design without a significant investment in molds, because
they are not just a uniform straight angle up from bottom to top, as are the
Zodia Hoerner tips, for example, and many others. Instead, they have rather
exquisite compound curves that would be difficult to reproduce in anything
but composites. Two photos at http://n254mr.com/node/1151 will give a sense
of the complex shape, and beauty, of these tips.

Ron
N254MR


On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Jeff Micheal
<westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>wrote:

Ron,

How much is the speed increase?

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Hey Tom,

Dave is currently working on a pair for me. The easiest way to get a hold of
him is via email. It may take a couple of days for him to respond, but he
will. This is the email I use... Dave Fife [aircrafttips@yahoo.com]

R. Kriening
Rebel # 56

-----Original Message-----
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Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:28 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -

I'm having a very difficult time in getting in touch with David Fife re
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Can someone help and have Fife give me a call - i'd like to buy his rebel
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I don't have any proof either (have the regular tips on my Rebel), as I have
not spent a lot of time flying side by side with Fife tip planes. But just
going by numbers others have quoted, my plane was always on the fast side
when it came to cruise (even before my engine upgrade). Although I think it
had more to do with my prop selections.

My understanding on the theory of the Hoerner tips is that the reduced
induced drag benefits are at lower speeds, and also therefore improves climb
rates. The MAM extended droop tips should do the same thing, except for
maybe slightly more parasitic drag with the bigger wing area at higher
speeds.

The biggest speed increase, though, without a doubt, is the use of flaperon
reflex in cruise.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:48 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -

Jeff, I don't have hard numbers, because 254R has always had the Fife tips.
However, before I first got the project 5 years ago, my impression from
researching the archives was that the Fife Hoerner tips would add somewhere
on the order of 4-5 MPH compared to MAM originals. I do know I have gotten
some pretty good performance with just 120 HP, even before installing any
fairings, and I'm inclined to attribute a good deal of that to the tips,
which are the only non-standard aerodynamic component.

Based on the consensus in the archives, and knowing of the delays, I ordered
the tips within two months of first buying the project. They were first
supposed to be delivered in 3 months -- it took 8. I think it would be nice
if Dave would license someone else to produce these from his molds, but he's
not the only supplier who is (so far) holding onto a design. We occasionally
wish MAM would second-source some of its custom parts too.

Whatever the absolute performance improvement is, it could presumably be
duplicated by any "similar" Hoerner tip. However, it would be a challenge to
reproduce the Fife design without a significant investment in molds, because
they are not just a uniform straight angle up from bottom to top, as are the
Zodia Hoerner tips, for example, and many others. Instead, they have rather
exquisite compound curves that would be difficult to reproduce in anything
but composites. Two photos at http://n254mr.com/node/1151 will give a sense
of the complex shape, and beauty, of these tips.

Ron
N254MR


On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Jeff Micheal
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Ron,

How much is the speed increase?

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BTW, another view of the compound curves is at http://n254mr.com/node/1158 .
I don't know how much drag reduction the compound curves add, when compared
to a straight, flat, up angle design. But there's no denying they add
considerable aesthetic appeal.

Ron


On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com> wrote:

Jeff, I don't have hard numbers, because 254R has always had the Fife tips.
However, before I first got the project 5 years ago, my impression from
researching the archives was that the Fife Hoerner tips would add somewhere
on the order of 4-5 MPH compared to MAM originals. I do know I have gotten
some pretty good performance with just 120 HP, even before installing any
fairings, and I'm inclined to attribute a good deal of that to the tips,
which are the only non-standard aerodynamic component.

Based on the consensus in the archives, and knowing of the delays, I
ordered the tips within two months of first buying the project. They were
first supposed to be delivered in 3 months -- it took 8. I think it would be
nice if Dave would license someone else to produce these from his molds, but
he's not the only supplier who is (so far) holding onto a design. We
occasionally wish MAM would second-source some of its custom parts too.

Whatever the absolute performance improvement is, it could presumably be
duplicated by any "similar" Hoerner tip. However, it would be a challenge to
reproduce the Fife design without a significant investment in molds, because
they are not just a uniform straight angle up from bottom to top, as are the
Zodia Hoerner tips, for example, and many others. Instead, they have rather
exquisite compound curves that would be difficult to reproduce in anything
but composites. Two photos at http://n254mr.com/node/1151 will give a
sense of the complex shape, and beauty, of these tips.

Ron
N254MR



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westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com> wrote:

Ron,

How much is the speed increase?

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I wonder if the previous 13 Andrews were as cheerful, positive, and polite as you appear to be. I'd say you're about 100 grit. Craig

--- verticalperformance@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Andrew Burr <verticalperformance@yahoo.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:14:13 -0800 (PST)

You will be wasting your time,even if you do reach him good luck getting the
tips.

I made mine out of aluminum.

Andrew E Burr XIV
Vertical performance LLc
Po Box 213
Cassville MO 65625


VPHelo, LLc has paid for the design and engineering for every component and
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From: Charlie Eubanks <charlie@troyairpark.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 6:49:01 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -

Tom
Heres dave's address. I have best luck contacting him by e-mail. Good luck.

Dave Fife
E-mail Address(es):
aircrafttips@yahoo.com


David K. Fife
3D Composite Aircraft Parts Inc.
428 N. Linwood Beach Rd
Linwood, MI. 48634
989-697-3277

----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:27 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -

I'm having a very difficult time in getting in touch with David Fife re
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Can someone help and have Fife give me a call - i'd like to buy his rebel
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Keith, I made a mold and than form the aluminum around it and than tig welded
them together. I didn't want to go through the trouble to make a mold for just
one set but after waiting since July for Fife I went ahead and made a set.

Andrew E Burr XIV
Vertical performance LLc
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From: "kpierson@dcsol.com" <kpierson@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 10:11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -

Andrew: I have though about making wing tips from aluminum. Do your tips
have compound curves? And if so how did you form them? And did they
require welding? Do you have pix. posted anywhare?
Lot of questions I know, but thank you.

Keith P. Tail draggers forever.


On 3/8/2011 6:14 AM, verticalperformance@yahoo.com wrote to rebel-
builders:

-> You will be wasting your time,even if you do reach him good luck getting
the
-> tips.
->
-> I made mine out of aluminum.
->
-> Andrew E Burr XIV
-> Vertical performance LLc
-> Po Box 213
-> Cassville MO 65625
->
->
-> VPHelo, LLc has paid for the design and engineering for every component
and
-> holds ownership of all intellectual property for each component.
->
->
->
->
-> ________________________________
-> From: Charlie Eubanks <charlie@troyairpark.com>
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 6:49:01 AM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -
->
-> Tom
-> Heres dave's address. I have best luck contacting him by e-mail. Good
luck.
->
-> Dave Fife
-> E-mail Address(es):
-> aircrafttips@yahoo.com
->
->
-> David K. Fife
-> 3D Composite Aircraft Parts Inc.
-> 428 N. Linwood Beach Rd
-> Linwood, MI. 48634
-> 989-697-3277
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Tom Anderson" <n715ta@comcast.net>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:27 PM
-> Subject: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -
->
->
-> > I'm having a very difficult time in getting in touch with David Fife re
-> > horner wing tips.
-> > Can someone help and have Fife give me a call - i'd like to buy his rebel
-> > tips.
-> >
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They call it true grit!!

Andrew E Burr XIV
Vertical performance LLc
Po Box 213
Cassville MO 65625


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From: "snowyrvr@mtaonline.net" <snowyrvr@mtaonline.net>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 2:55:05 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -

I wonder if the previous 13 Andrews were as cheerful, positive, and polite as
you appear to be. I'd say you're about 100 grit. Craig


--- verticalperformance@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Andrew Burr <verticalperformance@yahoo.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:14:13 -0800 (PST)

You will be wasting your time,even if you do reach him good luck getting the
tips.

I made mine out of aluminum.

Andrew E Burr XIV
Vertical performance LLc
Po Box 213
Cassville MO 65625


VPHelo, LLc has paid for the design and engineering for every component and
holds ownership of all intellectual property for each component.




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From: Charlie Eubanks <charlie@troyairpark.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 6:49:01 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -

Tom
Heres dave's address. I have best luck contacting him by e-mail. Good luck.

Dave Fife
E-mail Address(es):
aircrafttips@yahoo.com


David K. Fife
3D Composite Aircraft Parts Inc.
428 N. Linwood Beach Rd
Linwood, MI. 48634
989-697-3277

----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:27 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Fife wing tips -

I'm having a very difficult time in getting in touch with David Fife re
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They're beautiful, Ron. I see now why the interest level in Dave's tips
is so high.

Bill

On 9/03/2011 4:12 AM, Ron Shannon wrote:

BTW, another view of the compound curves is at http://n254mr.com/node/1158 .
I don't know how much drag reduction the compound curves add, when compared
to a straight, flat, up angle design. But there's no denying they add
considerable aesthetic appeal.

Ron


On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Ron Shannon<rshannon@cruzcom.com> wrote:

Jeff, I don't have hard numbers, because 254R has always had the Fife tips.
However, before I first got the project 5 years ago, my impression from
researching the archives was that the Fife Hoerner tips would add somewhere
on the order of 4-5 MPH compared to MAM originals. I do know I have gotten
some pretty good performance with just 120 HP, even before installing any
fairings, and I'm inclined to attribute a good deal of that to the tips,
which are the only non-standard aerodynamic component.

Based on the consensus in the archives, and knowing of the delays, I
ordered the tips within two months of first buying the project. They were
first supposed to be delivered in 3 months -- it took 8. I think it would be
nice if Dave would license someone else to produce these from his molds, but
he's not the only supplier who is (so far) holding onto a design. We
occasionally wish MAM would second-source some of its custom parts too.

Whatever the absolute performance improvement is, it could presumably be
duplicated by any "similar" Hoerner tip. However, it would be a challenge to
reproduce the Fife design without a significant investment in molds, because
they are not just a uniform straight angle up from bottom to top, as are the
Zodia Hoerner tips, for example, and many others. Instead, they have rather
exquisite compound curves that would be difficult to reproduce in anything
but composites. Two photos at http://n254mr.com/node/1151 will give a
sense of the complex shape, and beauty, of these tips.

Ron
N254MR



On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Jeff Micheal<
westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com> wrote:

Ron,

How much is the speed increase?

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