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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by David Jackson
Where can I find more information on the factory MAM wing tip extensions?

Dave J
From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:04:11 -0800

I have seen a few planes now with the new factory MAM wing tip extensions,
and if I was doing mine again, that's what I would get. More span, wing
area, and better climb.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:07 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips

Anyone know where to get horner type wing tips for Rebel? My fiberglass
parts (cowling, wing tips, fairings) are really junky and need lots of work
to bring them up to acceptable standards - or complete rebuild.

Tom Anderson
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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by Mike Davis
The MAM flier is on the archive site...
https://mail.dcsol.com/code/html-fdnld? ... ecno=17920

It's in file area 106.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Jackson" <canadjn@hotmail.com>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Where can I find more information on the factory MAM wing tip extensions?

Dave J
From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:04:11 -0800

I have seen a few planes now with the new factory MAM wing tip
extensions,
and if I was doing mine again, that's what I would get. More span, wing
area, and better climb.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:07 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips

Anyone know where to get horner type wing tips for Rebel? My fiberglass
parts (cowling, wing tips, fairings) are really junky and need lots of
work
to bring them up to acceptable standards - or complete rebuild.

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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by Keith Leitch
Mike,
This "flier" is for the Super Rebel, do they also make them for the Rebel?
Keith
R661
PS. I have Fife's tips to put on my wings.

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:


From: Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:45 AM


The MAM flier is on the archive site...
https://mail.dcsol.com/code/html-fdnld? ... ecno=17920

It's in file area 106.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Jackson" <canadjn@hotmail.com>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Where can I find more information on the factory MAM wing tip extensions?

Dave J
From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:04:11 -0800

I have seen a few planes now with the new factory MAM wing tip
extensions,
and if I was doing mine again, that's what I would get. More span, wing
area, and better climb.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:07 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips

Anyone know where to get horner type wing tips for Rebel? My fiberglass
parts (cowling, wing tips, fairings) are really junky and need lots of
work
to bring them up to acceptable standards - or complete rebuild.

Tom Anderson
R259




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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by Mike Davis
Yep, folks have put them on their Rebels too... don't know if they have a
different layup or not, only that they're available.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Mike,
This "flier" is for the Super Rebel, do they also make them for the Rebel?
Keith
R661
PS. I have Fife's tips to put on my wings.

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:


From: Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:45 AM


The MAM flier is on the archive site...
https://mail.dcsol.com/code/html-fdnld? ... ecno=17920

It's in file area 106.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Jackson" <canadjn@hotmail.com>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Where can I find more information on the factory MAM wing tip extensions?

Dave J
From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:04:11 -0800

I have seen a few planes now with the new factory MAM wing tip
extensions,
and if I was doing mine again, that's what I would get. More span, wing
area, and better climb.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Tom
Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:07 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips

Anyone know where to get horner type wing tips for Rebel? My fiberglass
parts (cowling, wing tips, fairings) are really junky and need lots of
work
to bring them up to acceptable standards - or complete rebuild.

Tom Anderson
R259




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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by Jeff Micheal
Keith.....

The wings on the SR series are virtually the same as the Rebel, Elite and
Yukon models....... So the MAM extended tips will fit.

Jeff



On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Keith Leitch <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>wrote:
Mike,
This "flier" is for the Super Rebel, do they also make them for the Rebel?
Keith
R661
PS. I have Fife's tips to put on my wings.

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:


From: Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:45 AM


The MAM flier is on the archive site...
https://mail.dcsol.com/code/html-fdnld? ... ecno=17920

It's in file area 106.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Jackson" <canadjn@hotmail.com>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Where can I find more information on the factory MAM wing tip extensions?

Dave J
From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:04:11 -0800

I have seen a few planes now with the new factory MAM wing tip
extensions,
and if I was doing mine again, that's what I would get. More span, wing
area, and better climb.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Tom
Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:07 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips

Anyone know where to get horner type wing tips for Rebel? My fiberglass
parts (cowling, wing tips, fairings) are really junky and need lots of
work
to bring them up to acceptable standards - or complete rebuild.

Tom Anderson
R259




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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by Keith Leitch
Thanks Jeff. After delving into this I was wondering if they were similar. I had looked at the past threads on this site and also on Bob Paterson's site.
Keith

[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by rebflyer
To all,
I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the structure that MAM recomends for the wing extensions? One of the things that caused the delay on the development of the Horner tips for the Elites and larger aircraft was D.Murphy told Fife that his tips were to long.(I was sitting there with them). The Elite tip has to be extended to allow for the spade/counterbalance and still get the proper shape..Hmm maybe I could get Dave to make a Elite length set for my Rebel! Walter, did you ever put the Fife tips on your aircraft? I did the flight testing with the original set. These are no B.S. numbers. We were just hoping that they didn't slow things down and we already knew they looked better! On wheels the takeoff roll went from 300 ft to 250ft. 30 gals fuel and 2 200lb occupants. Cruise went up 2 to 3 kts. Stall was less but airspeed became undependable, so no real numbers there. The turns in the pattern seemed more solid.(that is just a feeling but Bob P. felt the same). I havent seen the
MAM tips. Are they the

mud flap style? I mean droop tips? Great for knocking you're head on. I know Wayne, you dislike the looks of the horner <grin>. But if you ever want to try a set Dave and I will get them to you!
Soooo, after that ramble, does anyone have a copy of the factory recomendations for the structure to support the tip extension?
I am offically sick of winter this year!
Curt Martin
N97MR






-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Leitch <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions


Thanks Jeff. After delving into this I was wondering if they were similar. I had
ooked at the past threads on this site and also on Bob Paterson's site.
eith


-- On Wed, 3/2/11, Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com> wrote:

rom: Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
ubject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
o: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
ate: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:51 PM

eith.....
The wings on the SR series are virtually the same as the Rebel, Elite and
ukon models....... So the MAM extended tips will fit.
Jeff

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Keith Leitch <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>wrote:
Mike,
This "flier" is for the Super Rebel, do they also make them for the Rebel?
Keith
R661
PS. I have Fife's tips to put on my wings.

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:


From: Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:45 AM


The MAM flier is on the archive site...
https://mail.dcsol.com/code/html-fdnld? ... ecno=17920

It's in file area 106.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Jackson" <canadjn@hotmail.com>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Where can I find more information on the factory MAM wing tip extensions?

Dave J
From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:04:11 -0800

I have seen a few planes now with the new factory MAM wing tip
extensions,
and if I was doing mine again, that's what I would get. More span, wing
area, and better climb.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Tom
Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:07 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips

Anyone know where to get horner type wing tips for Rebel? My fiberglass
parts (cowling, wing tips, fairings) are really junky and need lots of
work
to bring them up to acceptable standards - or complete rebuild.

Tom Anderson
R259




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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
I don't dislike them Curt.. I tried to play ball with Dave, to save him
shipping a single set at a time to Canada, and he didn't ever care to
respond or produce for me.

As for wing lengthening, I've had drawn for many years an extra couple of
wing bays insert for the wing end similar to a Cessna Art Wing extension,
but never did it after Darryl told Fife his tips were too long and he was
concerned about bending moments. Then as you say they made those old school
droop tips (that look like shat) and mounted them on what appears to be an
18" or so extension to the wing.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: <rebflyer@aol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

To all,
I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the structure that MAM recomends
for the wing extensions? One of the things that caused the delay on the
development of the Horner tips for the Elites and larger aircraft was
D.Murphy told Fife that his tips were to long.(I was sitting there with
them). The Elite tip has to be extended to allow for the
spade/counterbalance and still get the proper shape..Hmm maybe I could get
Dave to make a Elite length set for my Rebel! Walter, did you ever put
the Fife tips on your aircraft? I did the flight testing with the original
set. These are no B.S. numbers. We were just hoping that they didn't slow
things down and we already knew they looked better! On wheels the takeoff
roll went from 300 ft to 250ft. 30 gals fuel and 2 200lb occupants.
Cruise went up 2 to 3 kts. Stall was less but airspeed became
undependable, so no real numbers there. The turns in the pattern seemed
more solid.(that is just a feeling but Bob P. felt the same). I have!
nt seen the
MAM tips. Are they the

mud flap style? I mean droop tips? Great for knocking you're head on. I
know Wayne, you dislike the looks of the horner <grin>. But if you ever
want to try a set Dave and I will get them to you!
Soooo, after that ramble, does anyone have a copy of the factory
recomendations for the structure to support the tip extension?
I am offically sick of winter this year!
Curt Martin
N97MR






-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Leitch <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions


Thanks Jeff. After delving into this I was wondering if they were similar.
I had
ooked at the past threads on this site and also on Bob Paterson's site.
eith


-- On Wed, 3/2/11, Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com> wrote:

rom: Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
ubject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
o: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
ate: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:51 PM

eith.....
The wings on the SR series are virtually the same as the Rebel, Elite and
ukon models....... So the MAM extended tips will fit.
Jeff

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Keith Leitch
<im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>wrote:
Mike,
This "flier" is for the Super Rebel, do they also make them for the Rebel?
Keith
R661
PS. I have Fife's tips to put on my wings.

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:


From: Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:45 AM


The MAM flier is on the archive site...
https://mail.dcsol.com/code/html-fdnld? ... ecno=17920

It's in file area 106.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Jackson" <canadjn@hotmail.com>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Where can I find more information on the factory MAM wing tip
extensions?

Dave J
From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:04:11 -0800

I have seen a few planes now with the new factory MAM wing tip
extensions,
and if I was doing mine again, that's what I would get. More span, wing
area, and better climb.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Tom
Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:07 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips

Anyone know where to get horner type wing tips for Rebel? My fiberglass
parts (cowling, wing tips, fairings) are really junky and need lots of
work
to bring them up to acceptable standards - or complete rebuild.

Tom Anderson
R259




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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by Walter Klatt
Hey, Curt, getting a little cabin fever, eh? Weather has been crappy here
too. Yesterday, we were supposed to get the storm of the season, but it
didn't quite meet expectations,... happily. But on the bright side here,
don't have to cut my lawn yet. Last year, did it at the end of Feb, most
years not necessary until end of March.

As for tips, I am no expert, just saying what I would do at this point in
time. I just have the old regular rounded ones, and no intention to change
them. If the Fife ones were available when I was building, probably would
have gone with them.

Biggest bang for the buck is still the 360 (actually 375 would be my choice
today), if you really want performance.

Now I better run, before the engine police get me...

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:27 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

I don't dislike them Curt.. I tried to play ball with Dave, to save him
shipping a single set at a time to Canada, and he didn't ever care to
respond or produce for me.

As for wing lengthening, I've had drawn for many years an extra couple of
wing bays insert for the wing end similar to a Cessna Art Wing extension,
but never did it after Darryl told Fife his tips were too long and he was
concerned about bending moments. Then as you say they made those old school
droop tips (that look like shat) and mounted them on what appears to be an
18" or so extension to the wing.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: <rebflyer@aol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

To all,
I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the structure that MAM recomends
for the wing extensions? One of the things that caused the delay on the
development of the Horner tips for the Elites and larger aircraft was
D.Murphy told Fife that his tips were to long.(I was sitting there with
them). The Elite tip has to be extended to allow for the
spade/counterbalance and still get the proper shape..Hmm maybe I could get
Dave to make a Elite length set for my Rebel! Walter, did you ever put
the Fife tips on your aircraft? I did the flight testing with the original
set. These are no B.S. numbers. We were just hoping that they didn't slow
things down and we already knew they looked better! On wheels the takeoff
roll went from 300 ft to 250ft. 30 gals fuel and 2 200lb occupants.
Cruise went up 2 to 3 kts. Stall was less but airspeed became
undependable, so no real numbers there. The turns in the pattern seemed
more solid.(that is just a feeling but Bob P. felt the same). I have!
nt seen the
MAM tips. Are they the

mud flap style? I mean droop tips? Great for knocking you're head on. I
know Wayne, you dislike the looks of the horner <grin>. But if you ever
want to try a set Dave and I will get them to you!
Soooo, after that ramble, does anyone have a copy of the factory
recomendations for the structure to support the tip extension?
I am offically sick of winter this year!
Curt Martin
N97MR






-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Leitch <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions


Thanks Jeff. After delving into this I was wondering if they were similar.
I had
ooked at the past threads on this site and also on Bob Paterson's site.
eith


-- On Wed, 3/2/11, Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com> wrote:

rom: Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
ubject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
o: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
ate: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:51 PM

eith.....
The wings on the SR series are virtually the same as the Rebel, Elite and
ukon models....... So the MAM extended tips will fit.
Jeff

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Keith Leitch
<im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>wrote:
Mike,
This "flier" is for the Super Rebel, do they also make them for the Rebel?
Keith
R661
PS. I have Fife's tips to put on my wings.

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:


From: Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:45 AM


The MAM flier is on the archive site...
https://mail.dcsol.com/code/html-fdnld? ... ecno=17920

It's in file area 106.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Jackson" <canadjn@hotmail.com>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Where can I find more information on the factory MAM wing tip
extensions?

Dave J
From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:04:11 -0800

I have seen a few planes now with the new factory MAM wing tip
extensions,
and if I was doing mine again, that's what I would get. More span, wing
area, and better climb.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Tom
Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:07 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips

Anyone know where to get horner type wing tips for Rebel? My fiberglass
parts (cowling, wing tips, fairings) are really junky and need lots of
work
to bring them up to acceptable standards - or complete rebuild.

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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by kpierson
rebflyer: I recently sold a pair of MAM extended wing tips with
the drawings. I do not have an e-mail address for the buyer, but if you
call me I can give you his phone number.

Keith Pierson 218 263 5365 Hibbing MN



On 3/3/2011 5:15 AM, rebflyer@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:

->
-> To all,
-> I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the structure that MAM
recomends for the wing extensions? One of the things that caused the delay
on the development of the Horner tips for the Elites and larger aircraft was
D.Murphy told Fife that his tips were to long.(I was sitting there with them).
The Elite tip has to be extended to allow for the spade/counterbalance and
still get the proper shape..Hmm maybe I could get Dave to make a Elite
length set for my Rebel! Walter, did you ever put the Fife tips on your
aircraft? I did the flight testing with the original set. These are no B.S.
numbers. We were just hoping that they didn't slow things down and we
already knew they looked better! On wheels the takeoff roll went from 300 ft
to 250ft. 30 gals fuel and 2 200lb occupants. Cruise went up 2 to 3 kts. Stall
was less but airspeed became undependable, so no real numbers there. The
turns in the pattern seemed more solid.(that is just a feeling but Bob P. felt
the same). I havent seen the MAM tips. Are they the
-> mud flap style? I mean droop tips? Great for knocking you're head on. I
know Wayne, you dislike the looks of the horner <grin>. But if you ever want
to try a set Dave and I will get them to you!
-> Soooo, after that ramble, does anyone have a copy of the factory
recomendations for the structure to support the tip extension?
-> I am offically sick of winter this year!
-> Curt Martin
-> N97MR
->
->
->
->
->
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Keith Leitch <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:20 pm
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
->
->
-> Thanks Jeff. After delving into this I was wondering if they were similar. I
had
-> ooked at the past threads on this site and also on Bob Paterson's site.
-> eith
->
->
-> -- On Wed, 3/2/11, Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com> wrote:
->
-> rom: Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
-> ubject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
-> o: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> ate: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:51 PM
->
-> eith.....
-> The wings on the SR series are virtually the same as the Rebel, Elite and
-> ukon models....... So the MAM extended tips will fit.
-> Jeff
->
-> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Keith Leitch
<im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>wrote:
-> > Mike,
-> This "flier" is for the Super Rebel, do they also make them for the Rebel?
-> Keith
-> R661
-> PS. I have Fife's tips to put on my wings.
->
-> --- On Wed, 3/2/11, Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:
->
->
-> From: Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:45 AM
->
->
-> The MAM flier is on the archive site...
-> https://mail.dcsol.com/code/html-fdnld? ... ecno=17920
->
-> It's in file area 106.
->
-> Mike
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "David Jackson" <canadjn@hotmail.com>
-> To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:34 AM
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
->
->
-> >
-> > Where can I find more information on the factory MAM wing tip
extensions?
-> >
-> > Dave J
-> >
-> >> From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca
-> >> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> >> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips
-> >> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:04:11 -0800
-> >>
-> >> I have seen a few planes now with the new factory MAM wing tip
-> >> extensions,
-> >> and if I was doing mine again, that's what I would get. More span,
wing
-> >> area, and better climb.
-> >>
-> >> Walter
-> >>
-> >> -----Original Message-----
-> >> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of
-> Tom
-> >> Anderson
-> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:07 AM
-> >> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> >> Subject: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips
-> >>
-> >> Anyone know where to get horner type wing tips for Rebel? My
fiberglass
-> >> parts (cowling, wing tips, fairings) are really junky and need lots of
-> >> work
-> >> to bring them up to acceptable standards - or complete rebuild.
-> >>
-> >> Tom Anderson
-> >> R259
-> >>
-> >>
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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by Bob Palmer
Wayne,
On the Elite they appear to add about 6" per side for a total of 31.4'.

Bob.

On 3/3/2011 6:27 AM, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
I don't dislike them Curt.. I tried to play ball with Dave, to save him
shipping a single set at a time to Canada, and he didn't ever care to
respond or produce for me.

As for wing lengthening, I've had drawn for many years an extra couple of
wing bays insert for the wing end similar to a Cessna Art Wing extension,
but never did it after Darryl told Fife his tips were too long and he was
concerned about bending moments. Then as you say they made those old school
droop tips (that look like shat) and mounted them on what appears to be an
18" or so extension to the wing.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From:<rebflyer@aol.com>
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

To all,
I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the structure that MAM recomends
for the wing extensions? One of the things that caused the delay on the
development of the Horner tips for the Elites and larger aircraft was
D.Murphy told Fife that his tips were to long.(I was sitting there with
them). The Elite tip has to be extended to allow for the
spade/counterbalance and still get the proper shape..Hmm maybe I could get
Dave to make a Elite length set for my Rebel! Walter, did you ever put
the Fife tips on your aircraft? I did the flight testing with the original
set. These are no B.S. numbers. We were just hoping that they didn't slow
things down and we already knew they looked better! On wheels the takeoff
roll went from 300 ft to 250ft. 30 gals fuel and 2 200lb occupants.
Cruise went up 2 to 3 kts. Stall was less but airspeed became
undependable, so no real numbers there. The turns in the pattern seemed
more solid.(that is just a feeling but Bob P. felt the same). I have!
nt seen the
MAM tips. Are they the

mud flap style? I mean droop tips? Great for knocking you're head on. I
know Wayne, you dislike the looks of the horner<grin>. But if you ever
want to try a set Dave and I will get them to you!
Soooo, after that ramble, does anyone have a copy of the factory
recomendations for the structure to support the tip extension?
I am offically sick of winter this year!
Curt Martin
N97MR






-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Leitch<im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions


Thanks Jeff. After delving into this I was wondering if they were similar.
I had
ooked at the past threads on this site and also on Bob Paterson's site.
eith


-- On Wed, 3/2/11, Jeff Micheal<westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com> wrote:

rom: Jeff Micheal<westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
ubject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
o: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
ate: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:51 PM

eith.....
The wings on the SR series are virtually the same as the Rebel, Elite and
ukon models....... So the MAM extended tips will fit.
Jeff

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Keith Leitch
<im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>wrote:
Mike,
This "flier" is for the Super Rebel, do they also make them for the Rebel?
Keith
R661
PS. I have Fife's tips to put on my wings.

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Mike Davis<mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:


From: Mike Davis<mike.davis@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:45 AM


The MAM flier is on the archive site...
https://mail.dcsol.com/code/html-fdnld? ... ecno=17920

It's in file area 106.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Jackson"<canadjn@hotmail.com>
To: "Rebel Builders"<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Where can I find more information on the factory MAM wing tip
extensions?

Dave J
Tom

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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Was talking the extended droop tips Murphy offered for a VERY limited time
for the Rebel. They looked to be extended considerably (in comparison to a
standard wing tip) and need a frame work attached to the wing end to mount
them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Palmer" <rtpalmer@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Wayne,
On the Elite they appear to add about 6" per side for a total of 31.4'.

Bob.

On 3/3/2011 6:27 AM, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
I don't dislike them Curt.. I tried to play ball with Dave, to save him
shipping a single set at a time to Canada, and he didn't ever care to
respond or produce for me.

As for wing lengthening, I've had drawn for many years an extra couple of
wing bays insert for the wing end similar to a Cessna Art Wing extension,
but never did it after Darryl told Fife his tips were too long and he was
concerned about bending moments. Then as you say they made those old
school
droop tips (that look like shat) and mounted them on what appears to be
an
18" or so extension to the wing.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From:<rebflyer@aol.com>
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

To all,
I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the structure that MAM
recomends
for the wing extensions? One of the things that caused the delay on the
development of the Horner tips for the Elites and larger aircraft was
D.Murphy told Fife that his tips were to long.(I was sitting there with
them). The Elite tip has to be extended to allow for the
spade/counterbalance and still get the proper shape..Hmm maybe I could
get
Dave to make a Elite length set for my Rebel! Walter, did you ever put
the Fife tips on your aircraft? I did the flight testing with the
original
set. These are no B.S. numbers. We were just hoping that they didn't
slow
things down and we already knew they looked better! On wheels the
takeoff
roll went from 300 ft to 250ft. 30 gals fuel and 2 200lb occupants.
Cruise went up 2 to 3 kts. Stall was less but airspeed became
undependable, so no real numbers there. The turns in the pattern seemed
more solid.(that is just a feeling but Bob P. felt the same). I have!
nt seen the
MAM tips. Are they the

mud flap style? I mean droop tips? Great for knocking you're head on. I
know Wayne, you dislike the looks of the horner<grin>. But if you ever
want to try a set Dave and I will get them to you!
Soooo, after that ramble, does anyone have a copy of the factory
recomendations for the structure to support the tip extension?
I am offically sick of winter this year!
Curt Martin
N97MR






-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Leitch<im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions


Thanks Jeff. After delving into this I was wondering if they were
similar.
I had
ooked at the past threads on this site and also on Bob Paterson's site.
eith


-- On Wed, 3/2/11, Jeff Micheal<westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com> wrote:

rom: Jeff Micheal<westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
ubject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
o: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
ate: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:51 PM

eith.....
The wings on the SR series are virtually the same as the Rebel, Elite
and
ukon models....... So the MAM extended tips will fit.
Jeff

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Keith Leitch
<im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>wrote: This "flier" is for the Super Rebel, do they also make them for the
Rebel?
Keith
R661
PS. I have Fife's tips to put on my wings.

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Mike Davis<mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:


From: Mike Davis<mike.davis@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:45 AM


The MAM flier is on the archive site...
https://mail.dcsol.com/code/html-fdnld? ... ecno=17920

It's in file area 106.

Mike

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Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Tom

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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by Walter Klatt
The only ones I am aware of are the current same ones as used on the Elite.
Were there others??

If the theory of the hoerner tips work, they should provide the same virtual
span as the extended ones, unless that little droop also gives you even more
virtual span and maybe less induced drag, too, not sure, though, am
definitely no expert on that stuff.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:19 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Was talking the extended droop tips Murphy offered for a VERY limited time
for the Rebel. They looked to be extended considerably (in comparison to a
standard wing tip) and need a frame work attached to the wing end to mount
them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Palmer" <rtpalmer@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Wayne,
On the Elite they appear to add about 6" per side for a total of 31.4'.

Bob.

On 3/3/2011 6:27 AM, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
I don't dislike them Curt.. I tried to play ball with Dave, to save him
shipping a single set at a time to Canada, and he didn't ever care to
respond or produce for me.

As for wing lengthening, I've had drawn for many years an extra couple of
wing bays insert for the wing end similar to a Cessna Art Wing extension,
but never did it after Darryl told Fife his tips were too long and he was
concerned about bending moments. Then as you say they made those old
school
droop tips (that look like shat) and mounted them on what appears to be
an
18" or so extension to the wing.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From:<rebflyer@aol.com>
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

To all,
I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the structure that MAM
recomends
for the wing extensions? One of the things that caused the delay on the
development of the Horner tips for the Elites and larger aircraft was
D.Murphy told Fife that his tips were to long.(I was sitting there with
them). The Elite tip has to be extended to allow for the
spade/counterbalance and still get the proper shape..Hmm maybe I could
get
Dave to make a Elite length set for my Rebel! Walter, did you ever put
the Fife tips on your aircraft? I did the flight testing with the
original
set. These are no B.S. numbers. We were just hoping that they didn't
slow
things down and we already knew they looked better! On wheels the
takeoff
roll went from 300 ft to 250ft. 30 gals fuel and 2 200lb occupants.
Cruise went up 2 to 3 kts. Stall was less but airspeed became
undependable, so no real numbers there. The turns in the pattern seemed
more solid.(that is just a feeling but Bob P. felt the same). I have!
nt seen the
MAM tips. Are they the

mud flap style? I mean droop tips? Great for knocking you're head on. I
know Wayne, you dislike the looks of the horner<grin>. But if you ever
want to try a set Dave and I will get them to you!
Soooo, after that ramble, does anyone have a copy of the factory
recomendations for the structure to support the tip extension?
I am offically sick of winter this year!
Curt Martin
N97MR






-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Leitch<im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions


Thanks Jeff. After delving into this I was wondering if they were
similar.
I had
ooked at the past threads on this site and also on Bob Paterson's site.
eith


-- On Wed, 3/2/11, Jeff Micheal<westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com> wrote:

rom: Jeff Micheal<westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
ubject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
o: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
ate: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:51 PM

eith.....
The wings on the SR series are virtually the same as the Rebel, Elite
and
ukon models....... So the MAM extended tips will fit.
Jeff

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Keith Leitch
<im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>wrote: This "flier" is for the Super Rebel, do they also make them for the
Rebel?
Keith
R661
PS. I have Fife's tips to put on my wings.

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Mike Davis<mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:


From: Mike Davis<mike.davis@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:45 AM


The MAM flier is on the archive site...
https://mail.dcsol.com/code/html-fdnld? ... ecno=17920

It's in file area 106.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Rebel Builders"<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Tom

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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
Haven't seen an Elite with droop tips... only one I've seen a picture of was
a Rebel (factory employees) with long long droop tips.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

The only ones I am aware of are the current same ones as used on the
Elite.
Were there others??

If the theory of the hoerner tips work, they should provide the same
virtual
span as the extended ones, unless that little droop also gives you even
more
virtual span and maybe less induced drag, too, not sure, though, am
definitely no expert on that stuff.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:19 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Was talking the extended droop tips Murphy offered for a VERY limited time
for the Rebel. They looked to be extended considerably (in comparison to a
standard wing tip) and need a frame work attached to the wing end to mount
them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Palmer" <rtpalmer@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Wayne,
On the Elite they appear to add about 6" per side for a total of 31.4'.

Bob.

On 3/3/2011 6:27 AM, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
I don't dislike them Curt.. I tried to play ball with Dave, to save him
shipping a single set at a time to Canada, and he didn't ever care to
respond or produce for me.

As for wing lengthening, I've had drawn for many years an extra couple
of
wing bays insert for the wing end similar to a Cessna Art Wing
extension,
but never did it after Darryl told Fife his tips were too long and he
was
concerned about bending moments. Then as you say they made those old
school
droop tips (that look like shat) and mounted them on what appears to be
an
18" or so extension to the wing.

Wayne


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To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions



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[rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm
by Walter Klatt
Yeah, local Elites here with them... But not sure what you mean by long,
long droop tips.

Where is Jeff?... Maybe he can explain this.

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:28 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Haven't seen an Elite with droop tips... only one I've seen a picture of was

a Rebel (factory employees) with long long droop tips.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

The only ones I am aware of are the current same ones as used on the
Elite.
Were there others??

If the theory of the hoerner tips work, they should provide the same
virtual
span as the extended ones, unless that little droop also gives you even
more
virtual span and maybe less induced drag, too, not sure, though, am
definitely no expert on that stuff.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:19 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Was talking the extended droop tips Murphy offered for a VERY limited time
for the Rebel. They looked to be extended considerably (in comparison to a
standard wing tip) and need a frame work attached to the wing end to mount
them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Palmer" <rtpalmer@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Horner Wing tips - Factory extensions

Wayne,
On the Elite they appear to add about 6" per side for a total of 31.4'.

Bob.

On 3/3/2011 6:27 AM, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
I don't dislike them Curt.. I tried to play ball with Dave, to save him
shipping a single set at a time to Canada, and he didn't ever care to
respond or produce for me.

As for wing lengthening, I've had drawn for many years an extra couple
of
wing bays insert for the wing end similar to a Cessna Art Wing
extension,
but never did it after Darryl told Fife his tips were too long and he
was
concerned about bending moments. Then as you say they made those old
school
droop tips (that look like shat) and mounted them on what appears to be
an
18" or so extension to the wing.

Wayne


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To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
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