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From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:31:18 -0800


Hi all,
I'm planning to build a 2 or 4 door cowl using the MC-3b nose bowl (Piper style with starter blister) from ACS. Can I get away without using a prop spacer?
Thanks.
Jesse




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Thanks Angus,
That's funny that you answered...I was just looking at a picture of your plane that I have saved on my desktop. It's bobbing on a lake somewhere with a bikini clad woman on the float...I think that's yours anyway. If not, hopefully your wife doesn't read your email.
Thanks again.
Jesse

From: angus.mckenzie@sympatico.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:54:55 +0000


Yes

From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:31:18 -0800


Hi all,
I'm planning to build a 2 or 4 door cowl using the MC-3b nose bowl (Piper style with starter blister) from ACS. Can I get away without using a prop spacer?
Thanks.
Jesse




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We're safe Jesse, that's her (my wife) standing on the float.
Found a couple of good pics of our plane, and nose-bowl, on www.airliners.net search Murphy Rebel CFTUJ
Our nose-bowl is from a PA18, so's Ken's.
Best regards, Angus

From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:08:08 -0800


Thanks Angus,
That's funny that you answered...I was just looking at a picture of your plane that I have saved on my desktop. It's bobbing on a lake somewhere with a bikini clad woman on the float...I think that's yours anyway. If not, hopefully your wife doesn't read your email.
Thanks again.
Jesse

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Good pics, thanks. How does your cowl work? It looks like the bottom half comes off as one piece.

From: angus.mckenzie@sympatico.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:34:57 +0000


We're safe Jesse, that's her (my wife) standing on the float.
Found a couple of good pics of our plane, and nose-bowl, on www.airliners.net search Murphy Rebel CFTUJ
Our nose-bowl is from a PA18, so's Ken's.
Best regards, Angus

From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:08:08 -0800


Thanks Angus,
That's funny that you answered...I was just looking at a picture of your plane that I have saved on my desktop. It's bobbing on a lake somewhere with a bikini clad woman on the float...I think that's yours anyway. If not, hopefully your wife doesn't read your email.
Thanks again.
Jesse

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Hi Jesse,
Yes, bottom cowl is one piece, .025, I'd use .032 next time. Top centre section bolts to the boot-cowl and nose-bowl, is about 10" wide with angle stiffeners and doublers. It hinges the two opening side doors. 4 full length piano hinges for the doors top and bottom and the lower full length stainless hinge pins pull out from the front to allow opening and access. Should/would have made those panels out of .032 as well.
PA18 nose bowl is modified for the landing light.
In the picture of my plane departing St.Thomas you can see the 4130 diagonal float-braces that I ran from the top rear engine mount stiffener I added, through the fire-wall and dash to the forward wing pick-ups. They make quite a difference on a torsional dimension.
If you need or want pics let me know...........Angus

From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:49:23 -0800


Good pics, thanks. How does your cowl work? It looks like the bottom half comes off as one piece.

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Cool, that's the first one I've seen with a one piece bottom like that. .032 seems like it would be pretty hard to work with, and I don't have a roller either. Guess I might need to use one for the side panels...even with .025?

From: angus.mckenzie@sympatico.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:28:03 +0000


Hi Jesse,
Yes, bottom cowl is one piece, .025, I'd use .032 next time. Top centre section bolts to the boot-cowl and nose-bowl, is about 10" wide with angle stiffeners and doublers. It hinges the two opening side doors. 4 full length piano hinges for the doors top and bottom and the lower full length stainless hinge pins pull out from the front to allow opening and access. Should/would have made those panels out of .032 as well.
PA18 nose bowl is modified for the landing light.
In the picture of my plane departing St.Thomas you can see the 4130 diagonal float-braces that I ran from the top rear engine mount stiffener I added, through the fire-wall and dash to the forward wing pick-ups. They make quite a difference on a torsional dimension.
If you need or want pics let me know...........Angus

From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:49:23 -0800


Good pics, thanks. How does your cowl work? It looks like the bottom half comes off as one piece.

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Jesse: I have shaped .032" 2024 aluminum, which is stiffer then
6061, over various size auto tail pipes clamped in a vice with
the aid of a rubber mallet.

Keith P. Taildraggers forever.





On 11/13/2010 6:08 PM, jessejenks@hotmail.com wrote to rebel-builders:

->
-> Cool, that's the first one I've seen with a one piece bottom like that. .032
seems like it would be pretty hard to work with, and I don't have a roller
either. Guess I might need to use one for the side panels...even with .025?
->
-> > From: angus.mckenzie@sympatico.ca
-> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
-> > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:28:03 +0000
-> >
-> >
-> > Hi Jesse,
-> > Yes, bottom cowl is one piece, .025, I'd use .032 next time. Top centre
section bolts to the boot-cowl and nose-bowl, is about 10" wide with angle
stiffeners and doublers. It hinges the two opening side doors. 4 full length
piano hinges for the doors top and bottom and the lower full length stainless
hinge pins pull out from the front to allow opening and access. Should/would
have made those panels out of .032 as well.
-> > PA18 nose bowl is modified for the landing light.
-> > In the picture of my plane departing St.Thomas you can see the 4130
diagonal float-braces that I ran from the top rear engine mount stiffener I
added, through the fire-wall and dash to the forward wing pick-ups. They
make quite a difference on a torsional dimension.
-> > If you need or want pics let me know...........Angus
-> >
-> > > From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
-> > > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
-> > > Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:49:23 -0800
-> > >
-> > >
-> > > Good pics, thanks. How does your cowl work? It looks like the bottom
half comes off as one piece.
-> > >
-> >
-> >
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Jesse build it with 4 easily opened doors and you will maintain that engine
like a top. Make the access any more difficult and the pre-flight,
"curiosity inspections", etc come to a halt. Amazing what gets neglected
behind the two piece speed cowling and it's numerous screws/camlocks or what
ever means you hold it on with, it's just not convenient (especially at a
dock!)

JMHO..
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: "Builders list" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?

Cool, that's the first one I've seen with a one piece bottom like that.
.032 seems like it would be pretty hard to work with, and I don't have a
roller either. Guess I might need to use one for the side panels...even
with .025?

From: angus.mckenzie@sympatico.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:28:03 +0000


Hi Jesse,
Yes, bottom cowl is one piece, .025, I'd use .032 next time. Top centre
section bolts to the boot-cowl and nose-bowl, is about 10" wide with
angle stiffeners and doublers. It hinges the two opening side doors. 4
full length piano hinges for the doors top and bottom and the lower full
length stainless hinge pins pull out from the front to allow opening and
access. Should/would have made those panels out of .032 as well.
PA18 nose bowl is modified for the landing light.
In the picture of my plane departing St.Thomas you can see the 4130
diagonal float-braces that I ran from the top rear engine mount stiffener
I added, through the fire-wall and dash to the forward wing pick-ups.
They make quite a difference on a torsional dimension.
If you need or want pics let me know...........Angus

From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:49:23 -0800


Good pics, thanks. How does your cowl work? It looks like the bottom
half comes off as one piece.

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That's a really valid suggestion Wayne!
I guess I'm just so used to zipping out the 30/or/so plastic washered stainless no.8's that I don't even think about it anymore.
And it is a major pain at the dock (due to lack of ferrous content) usually involves a mask and snorkel..Angus

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:17:24 -0500

Jesse build it with 4 easily opened doors and you will maintain that engine
like a top. Make the access any more difficult and the pre-flight,
"curiosity inspections", etc come to a halt. Amazing what gets neglected
behind the two piece speed cowling and it's numerous screws/camlocks or what
ever means you hold it on with, it's just not convenient (especially at a
dock!)

JMHO..
Wayne

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I just knew there had to be some reason why I was using cad plated steel
screws on my cowl - now I know ;)

Ken

Angus McKenzie wrote:

That's a really valid suggestion Wayne!
I guess I'm just so used to zipping out the 30/or/so plastic washered stainless no.8's that I don't even think about it anymore.
And it is a major pain at the dock (due to lack of ferrous content) usually involves a mask and snorkel..Angus

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:17:24 -0500

Jesse build it with 4 easily opened doors and you will maintain that engine
like a top. Make the access any more difficult and the pre-flight,
"curiosity inspections", etc come to a halt. Amazing what gets neglected
behind the two piece speed cowling and it's numerous screws/camlocks or what
ever means you hold it on with, it's just not convenient (especially at a
dock!)

JMHO..
Wayne

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Angus,

Did you fly to St thomas? If you did, where did you leave the US from?

--- klehman@albedo.net wrote:

From: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:50:09 -0500

I just knew there had to be some reason why I was using cad plated steel
screws on my cowl - now I know ;)

Ken

Angus McKenzie wrote:

That's a really valid suggestion Wayne!
I guess I'm just so used to zipping out the 30/or/so plastic washered stainless no.8's that I don't even think about it anymore.
And it is a major pain at the dock (due to lack of ferrous content) usually involves a mask and snorkel..Angus

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:17:24 -0500

Jesse build it with 4 easily opened doors and you will maintain that engine
like a top. Make the access any more difficult and the pre-flight,
"curiosity inspections", etc come to a halt. Amazing what gets neglected
behind the two piece speed cowling and it's numerous screws/camlocks or what
ever means you hold it on with, it's just not convenient (especially at a
dock!)

JMHO..
Wayne

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Angus is based in St. Thomas Ontario.


At 06:15 PM 14/11/2010 -0800, you wrote:

Angus,

Did you fly to St thomas? If you did, where did you leave the US from?

--- klehman@albedo.net wrote:

From: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:50:09 -0500

I just knew there had to be some reason why I was using cad plated steel
screws on my cowl - now I know ;)

Ken

Angus McKenzie wrote:

That's a really valid suggestion Wayne!
I guess I'm just so used to zipping out the 30/or/so plastic washered

stainless no.8's that I don't even think about it anymore.

And it is a major pain at the dock (due to lack of ferrous content)

usually involves a mask and snorkel..Angus

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:17:24 -0500

Jesse build it with 4 easily opened doors and you will maintain that

engine

like a top. Make the access any more difficult and the pre-flight,
"curiosity inspections", etc come to a halt. Amazing what gets neglected
behind the two piece speed cowling and it's numerous screws/camlocks or

what

ever means you hold it on with, it's just not convenient (especially at a
dock!)

JMHO..
Wayne

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Oops! My bad! Are the two places similar? lol CW

--- drewjan@cabletv.on.ca wrote:

From: Drew Dalgleish <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:49:01 -0500

Angus is based in St. Thomas Ontario.


At 06:15 PM 14/11/2010 -0800, you wrote:

Angus,

Did you fly to St thomas? If you did, where did you leave the US from?

--- klehman@albedo.net wrote:

From: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:50:09 -0500

I just knew there had to be some reason why I was using cad plated steel
screws on my cowl - now I know ;)

Ken

Angus McKenzie wrote:

That's a really valid suggestion Wayne!
I guess I'm just so used to zipping out the 30/or/so plastic washered

stainless no.8's that I don't even think about it anymore.

And it is a major pain at the dock (due to lack of ferrous content)

usually involves a mask and snorkel..Angus

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:17:24 -0500

Jesse build it with 4 easily opened doors and you will maintain that

engine

like a top. Make the access any more difficult and the pre-flight,
"curiosity inspections", etc come to a halt. Amazing what gets neglected
behind the two piece speed cowling and it's numerous screws/camlocks or

what

ever means you hold it on with, it's just not convenient (especially at a
dock!)

JMHO..
Wayne

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I think I am going to go with the 4 door. Do you actually open the lower doors very often though?

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:17:24 -0500

Jesse build it with 4 easily opened doors and you will maintain that engine
like a top. Make the access any more difficult and the pre-flight,
"curiosity inspections", etc come to a halt. Amazing what gets neglected
behind the two piece speed cowling and it's numerous screws/camlocks or what
ever means you hold it on with, it's just not convenient (especially at a
dock!)

JMHO..
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: "Builders list" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?

Cool, that's the first one I've seen with a one piece bottom like that.
.032 seems like it would be pretty hard to work with, and I don't have a
roller either. Guess I might need to use one for the side panels...even
with .025?

From: angus.mckenzie@sympatico.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:28:03 +0000


Hi Jesse,
Yes, bottom cowl is one piece, .025, I'd use .032 next time. Top centre
section bolts to the boot-cowl and nose-bowl, is about 10" wide with
angle stiffeners and doublers. It hinges the two opening side doors. 4
full length piano hinges for the doors top and bottom and the lower full
length stainless hinge pins pull out from the front to allow opening and
access. Should/would have made those panels out of .032 as well.
PA18 nose bowl is modified for the landing light.
In the picture of my plane departing St.Thomas you can see the 4130
diagonal float-braces that I ran from the top rear engine mount stiffener
I added, through the fire-wall and dash to the forward wing pick-ups.
They make quite a difference on a torsional dimension.
If you need or want pics let me know...........Angus


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Hi Jesse !

i open my bottom doors every oil change ! i have a quick drain
valve on the oil tank, and a tube running from it to the rear,
fastened to the bottom of the fuselage aft of the firewall.
The tube means I don't have to carry or fool with a hose
for oil changes.

The 4 door cowl is THE best way to go ! Birds can build
nests while you have lunch - just pull the wire out, and
have a peek, and check the oil while you're there !!

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On November 15, 2010 10:43:47 am Jesse Jenks wrote:

I think I am going to go with the 4 door. Do you actually open the lower
doors very often though?

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:17:24 -0500

Jesse build it with 4 easily opened doors and you will maintain that
engine like a top. Make the access any more difficult and the
pre-flight, "curiosity inspections", etc come to a halt. Amazing what
gets neglected behind the two piece speed cowling and it's numerous
screws/camlocks or what ever means you hold it on with, it's just not
convenient (especially at a dock!)

JMHO..
Wayne

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