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I've flown my rebel with fixed wheel skis and was always off in less than
500' solo. I never flew any where near gross so I don't know how much
difference that would make. I assume you have open aproaches and reasonably
level ground, landing over trees or downhill could make things a lot tougher.

At 09:43 PM 16/09/2010 -0800, you wrote:

Has anyone had there rebel on skis yet. Looking for some
performance data on skis. Mainly distance takeoff and
landing for STOL. I have about 900 feet and looking to see
if it is capable. Currently have rebel with o-235 120 hp. I
was getting it in at 400 feet on wheels.but not sure on skis.
Thanks
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Thanks for the reply, i am not worried about getting off, but it is the getting
in and getting stopped that I am worried about. I am not a ski pilot yet, and
am not sure about landing and stopping.


On 9/17/2010 10:15 AM, drewjan@cabletv.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I've flown my rebel with fixed wheel skis and was always off in less than
-> 500' solo. I never flew any where near gross so I don't know how much
-> difference that would make. I assume you have open aproaches and
reasonably
-> level ground, landing over trees or downhill could make things a lot tougher.
->
-> At 09:43 PM 16/09/2010 -0800, you wrote:
-> >Has anyone had there rebel on skis yet. Looking for some
-> >performance data on skis. Mainly distance takeoff and
-> >landing for STOL. I have about 900 feet and looking to see
-> >if it is capable. Currently have rebel with o-235 120 hp. I
-> >was getting it in at 400 feet on wheels.but not sure on skis.
-> >Thanks
-> >Scott
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I've never had any trouble getting stopped in a few hundred feet with my
wheel skis but they're kinda draggy in the snow. Fresh snow slows you down
a lot faster than packed snowe does.

At 12:51 PM 17/09/2010 -0800, you wrote:

Thanks for the reply, i am not worried about getting off, but it is the

getting

in and getting stopped that I am worried about. I am not a ski pilot yet,

and

am not sure about landing and stopping.


On 9/17/2010 10:15 AM, drewjan@cabletv.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I've flown my rebel with fixed wheel skis and was always off in less than
-> 500' solo. I never flew any where near gross so I don't know how much
-> difference that would make. I assume you have open aproaches and
reasonably
-> level ground, landing over trees or downhill could make things a lot

tougher.

->
-> At 09:43 PM 16/09/2010 -0800, you wrote:
-> >Has anyone had there rebel on skis yet. Looking for some
-> >performance data on skis. Mainly distance takeoff and
-> >landing for STOL. I have about 900 feet and looking to see
-> >if it is capable. Currently have rebel with o-235 120 hp. I
-> >was getting it in at 400 feet on wheels.but not sure on skis.
-> >Thanks
-> >Scott
-> >
-> >
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Mike.. it depends on whether you want to play on hard packed strips and lake
ice or play in the deep stuff. I wouldn't put anything narrower, in a
straight ski, than 12" wide on a Rebel if you want to seriously play in the
snow.

The original Federal 1500 was only 6" wide and then went to 8".. 1800's 8 or
10" and 2000's 10 or 12". I put 12" wide bottoms on any 1500 beams I
rebuild. I have a pair of Aero 2000's here with the reinforced pedestal area
and 12" bottoms... already rigged for a Rebel if you are interested. Even
have some quick connect two wheel dollies to get from pavement to the snow.

Unfortunately we are snowed in here with over 2 feet of snow on the strip..
but I could do a change over at Midland in someone's hangar.

Wayne


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Subject: [rebel-builders] Skis

I thought I could get this info easily on the internet. How do you size
skis? It seems to me that there should be a direct relationship between
the gross weight of the aircraft and number of square feet or inches of
ski area. What you ski flyer putting on the Rebel?

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Yes it is probably wise to go wide instead of long for skiis on a Rebel.
Less twisting leverage on the gear legs in turns.
Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Mike.. it depends on whether you want to play on hard packed strips and lake
ice or play in the deep stuff. I wouldn't put anything narrower, in a
straight ski, than 12" wide on a Rebel if you want to seriously play in the
snow.

The original Federal 1500 was only 6" wide and then went to 8".. 1800's 8 or
10" and 2000's 10 or 12". I put 12" wide bottoms on any 1500 beams I
rebuild. I have a pair of Aero 2000's here with the reinforced pedestal area
and 12" bottoms... already rigged for a Rebel if you are interested. Even
have some quick connect two wheel dollies to get from pavement to the snow.

Unfortunately we are snowed in here with over 2 feet of snow on the strip..
but I could do a change over at Midland in someone's hangar.

Wayne


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Subject: [rebel-builders] Skis

I thought I could get this info easily on the internet. How do you size
skis? It seems to me that there should be a direct relationship between
the gross weight of the aircraft and number of square feet or inches of
ski area. What you ski flyer putting on the Rebel?

Mike, C-FNBO

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No one has answered the original question. How much area of ski is required per pound of gross weight? Or to phrase it another way, if you do have 12 " wide skis for a Rebel, how long should they be?

Dave J

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:43:50 -0500
From: klehman@albedo.net
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Skis

Yes it is probably wise to go wide instead of long for skiis on a Rebel.
Less twisting leverage on the gear legs in turns.
Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Mike.. it depends on whether you want to play on hard packed strips and lake
ice or play in the deep stuff. I wouldn't put anything narrower, in a
straight ski, than 12" wide on a Rebel if you want to seriously play in the
snow.

The original Federal 1500 was only 6" wide and then went to 8".. 1800's 8 or
10" and 2000's 10 or 12". I put 12" wide bottoms on any 1500 beams I
rebuild. I have a pair of Aero 2000's here with the reinforced pedestal area
and 12" bottoms... already rigged for a Rebel if you are interested. Even
have some quick connect two wheel dollies to get from pavement to the snow.

Unfortunately we are snowed in here with over 2 feet of snow on the strip..
but I could do a change over at Midland in someone's hangar.

Wayne


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Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Skis

I thought I could get this info easily on the internet. How do you size
skis? It seems to me that there should be a direct relationship between
the gross weight of the aircraft and number of square feet or inches of
ski area. What you ski flyer putting on the Rebel?

Mike, C-FNBO

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At 07:43 AM 20/12/2010 -0500, you wrote:

No one has answered the original question. How much area of ski is

required per pound of gross weight? Or to phrase it another way, if you do
have 12 " wide skis for a Rebel, how long should they be?

Dave J

I like Wayne's answer. It really does depend on the snow conditions you
expect to encounter. However there actually is a formula in ac43.13 scroll
down to chapter 5 for lots of info on selection and rigging for skis. When
I built my skis I just made them the same size as others that are
recommended for a plane about the same gross weight as a rebel. Mine are
12"x about 5'. Here's a link to ac43

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guida ... lar.nsf/0/
e533bb05389c90e486256a54006e47b2/$FILE/Chapter%201-8.pdf
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I see that link wrapped around itself you can use this instead

http://tinyurl.com/29u84qo


At 09:25 AM 20/12/2010 -0500, you wrote:

At 07:43 AM 20/12/2010 -0500, you wrote:

No one has answered the original question. How much area of ski is

required per pound of gross weight? Or to phrase it another way, if you do
have 12 " wide skis for a Rebel, how long should they be?

Dave J

I like Wayne's answer. It really does depend on the snow conditions you
expect to encounter. However there actually is a formula in ac43.13 scroll
down to chapter 5 for lots of info on selection and rigging for skis. When
I built my skis I just made them the same size as others that are
recommended for a plane about the same gross weight as a rebel. Mine are
12"x about 5'. Here's a link to ac43

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guida ... lar.nsf/0/
e533bb05389c90e486256a54006e47b2/$FILE/Chapter%201-8.pdf
Drew



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I attached my front cables and bungees to the forward fus5 carrythrough
about 6" inboard from the door post. The rear cables go to the back gear
leg bolt. I considered using the rear float fitting for the back cable
but can't remember why I didn't use it. There's a chapter on ski rigging
in ac43.


On 18/02/2011 12:42 AM, scott_lanier@dcsol.com wrote:

Hello all,

I need some info for skis and the rebel. I have the skis and the rigging, but
need info on where guys are attaching the cables and bungies to the
fuselage. Any pics would be helpful. I need to see how and where you attach
thes to properly rig my skis.

Thanks and if you have picks of rebel on skis please forward to
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Mine is on spring gear so not sure if yours is on bungee gear. Could you send
me a pic if possible?

Thanks Scott

On 2/19/2011 8:53 AM, drewjan@cabletv.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I attached my front cables and bungees to the forward fus5 carrythrough
-> about 6" inboard from the door post. The rear cables go to the back gear
-> leg bolt. I considered using the rear float fitting for the back cable
-> but can't remember why I didn't use it. There's a chapter on ski rigging
-> in ac43.
->
->
-> On 18/02/2011 12:42 AM, scott_lanier@dcsol.com wrote:
-> > Hello all,
-> >
-> > I need some info for skis and the rebel. I have the skis and the rigging,
but
-> > need info on where guys are attaching the cables and bungies to the
-> > fuselage. Any pics would be helpful. I need to see how and where you
attach
-> > thes to properly rig my skis.
-> >
-> > Thanks and if you have picks of rebel on skis please forward to
-> > scottrlanier@gmail.com
-> >
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Mine is on bungee gear. I have some pictures that I think are in the archives. They don't show much detail though.
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Mine is on spring gear so not sure if yours is on bungee gear. Could you send
me a pic if possible?

Thanks Scott

On 2/19/2011 8:53 AM, drewjan@cabletv.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I attached my front cables and bungees to the forward fus5 carrythrough
-> about 6" inboard from the door post. The rear cables go to the back gear
-> leg bolt. I considered using the rear float fitting for the back cable
-> but can't remember why I didn't use it. There's a chapter on ski rigging
-> in ac43.
->
->
-> On 18/02/2011 12:42 AM, scott_lanier@dcsol.com wrote:
-> > Hello all,
-> >
-> > I need some info for skis and the rebel. I have the skis and the rigging,
but
-> > need info on where guys are attaching the cables and bungies to the
-> > fuselage. Any pics would be helpful. I need to see how and where you
attach
-> > thes to properly rig my skis.
-> >
-> > Thanks and if you have picks of rebel on skis please forward to
-> > scottrlanier@gmail.com
-> >
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