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Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:35 pm
by Rick and Cathy Ford
I've got a question for anyone who knows about the Radial engine for the Super Rebel.

WHAT'S THE FUEL BURN ON THAT BABY?

Thanks.

Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:35 pm
by Bob Patterson
Hi Rick !

That's a very good question !! Several people claim it can
be as low as 18 gallons/hour - others say it could be as high as
54 gallons/hour !!! I suspect that the real average consumption
is somewhere in the middle of that range ...

Funny thing - NOBODY has asked about OIL consumption ...
some radials can go through a LOT of oil (like ... over a quart/hr. !)

Add those two factors to the stated TBO of only 800 hours
(although they claim they run MUCH longer ....), and you get a
fairly large number for the hourly operating cost !!

Of course, you're talking about an aircraft that will likely
run about $110,000 CAD, finished and WELL equipped --- as the old
saying goes "If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it !" :-)

The S-R 3500 will really appeal to folks who would otherwise
be shelling out over a half a million $$$$$$$ for a refurbished
Beaver - so it's such A BARGAIN that operating cost is no biggie !!!

....bobp

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I've got a question for anyone who knows about the Radial engine for the
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WHAT'S THE FUEL BURN ON THAT BABY?

Thanks.

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Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:35 pm
by AGT
I sent a lot of emails off to four separate distributers of M14P engines and
parts with these kind of questions. Here's a few excerpts from their
responses.

"Our Romanian suppliers of the engine are putting the TBO at 1,500 hrs
based
on using western oils and regular 100 hr/annual inspections and repairs. It
is really a different way of thinking about continued airworthiness. The
engines have proved to be very reliable and short of hydro lock or running
out of fuel have not shown any in flight failures. There are about 300 to
400 of the engines operation in the U.S. now on various models of Yak,
Sukhoi and homebuilts. Clint McHenery operated the first SU26 in the air
show circuit for 4 years regularly punishing the engine far beyond what any
U.S. engine would take. They finally hydro locked the engine at about 1,400
hrs of operation. That is the longest running engine that we are aware of
that operated with U.S.. style of maintenance."

"There is no set TBO on the engine. The Russians overhauled at 5
years/500 hours under the military system. General agreement in the US is
anywhere between 1200 - 1500 hours. We have seen very little wear on the
engines we have overhauled. The reason they need to be overhauled is:
hydraulic lock. Plain and simple. The Russians really designed a
workhorse."

"My own experience with fuel burn is that I always figured a liter a minute
for overall flight and it was always right on. I got to figuring in metric
since all of my fuel and oil and other instruments are in metric,
But roughly that should work out to about 14 gal/hr. This is a low
compression engine of about 6 to 1 so you could use auto fuel if you were
sure it had no alcohol or other harmful additives. Something I could never
convince myself of. A friend of mine has run his Wilga on auto gas
exclusively for about 200 hours. The oil consumption is about 1 liter per
hour.
I installed one of the ADC full flow spin on filters because I really
believe in
clean oil."

Mike
SR - Fairbanks, AK

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 5:23 PM
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Hi Rick !

That's a very good question !! Several people claim it can
be as low as 18 gallons/hour - others say it could be as high as
54 gallons/hour !!! I suspect that the real average consumption
is somewhere in the middle of that range ...

Funny thing - NOBODY has asked about OIL consumption ...
some radials can go through a LOT of oil (like ... over a quart/hr. !)

Add those two factors to the stated TBO of only 800 hours
(although they claim they run MUCH longer ....), and you get a
fairly large number for the hourly operating cost !!

Of course, you're talking about an aircraft that will likely
run about $110,000 CAD, finished and WELL equipped --- as the old
saying goes "If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it !" :-)

The S-R 3500 will really appeal to folks who would otherwise
be shelling out over a half a million $$$$$$$ for a refurbished
Beaver - so it's such A BARGAIN that operating cost is no biggie !!!

....bobp

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At 08:39 PM 12/19/00 -0500, you wrote:
I've got a question for anyone who knows about the Radial engine for the
Super Rebel.
WHAT'S THE FUEL BURN ON THAT BABY?

Thanks.

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Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:35 pm
by Marcia Moran
I had a friend who had a yak with the 280HP. I flew it several hours. You
could get it down to 12GPH throttled back, but when I was playing it would
burn 16 or a little better. It didn't seem to burn to much oil, but it was
like all radials it leaked alot. One thing I didn't like was if you let it
sit a long time the oil would leak to the bottom cylinders Take care
Dave
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Date: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Hi Rick !

That's a very good question !! Several people claim it can
be as low as 18 gallons/hour - others say it could be as high as
54 gallons/hour !!! I suspect that the real average consumption
is somewhere in the middle of that range ...

Funny thing - NOBODY has asked about OIL consumption ...
some radials can go through a LOT of oil (like ... over a quart/hr. !)

Add those two factors to the stated TBO of only 800 hours
(although they claim they run MUCH longer ....), and you get a
fairly large number for the hourly operating cost !!

Of course, you're talking about an aircraft that will likely
run about $110,000 CAD, finished and WELL equipped --- as the old
saying goes "If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it !" :-)

The S-R 3500 will really appeal to folks who would otherwise
be shelling out over a half a million $$$$$$$ for a refurbished
Beaver - so it's such A BARGAIN that operating cost is no biggie !!!

....bobp

---------------------------orig.--------------------------------------
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I've got a question for anyone who knows about the Radial engine for the
Super Rebel.
WHAT'S THE FUEL BURN ON THAT BABY?

Thanks.

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Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:35 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
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Hello ALL, even if you only get 800 hours out of an M14, consider the fact
that to most recreational flyers this computes to between 8 and 20 years
before overhaul! Or considering that the cost is only around $18,000 U.S (or
a little more or less) you could just throw it away and install the spare
M14 that you are carrying around with you in the back of your SR3500, as
spare baggage! A new Lyco 260 H.P. IO-540, through MAM, is $40,000U.S and a
300 H.P one is $45,000 U.S. and I believe they are 2000 or 2400 hr TBO
engines. Do the math and it pretty much comes down to how you want the nose
of your SR to look and the bonus is 360 H.P for take off! Even an overhauled
IO-540 from Leavens (or most others) for a homebuilt is going to set you
back around $40,000 Cdn, + prop + prop governor. The propellor for the M14
can also be purchased for a lot less money than a new $9,000 + U.S Hartzell
prop can be!

Apparently the only thing that really ever happens to these engines is they
do like all radials and bend connecting rods (or blow cylinders off) due to
"hydraulic" oil lock in the bottom cylinders. Buy one of the cylinder
"drain" kits that's available (and I hope MAM is putting in the FWF kit) and
also pull the engine through by hand prior to start and you shouldn't have
any problems.

FWIW, I don't know about the M14, but LOM's M-462 (that is, for all
practical purposes, essentially a de-rated M14 putting out 315H.P) is
allowed 5 overhauls by the LOM factory to remain certified. That is a Total
Time of 4800 hours before it becomes a "homebuilt" engine!

Best Regards and a Merry Christmas,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Add those two factors to the stated TBO of only 800 hours
(although they claim they run MUCH longer ....), and you get a
fairly large number for the hourly operating cost !!
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Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:35 pm
by Bob Patterson
I agree completely - the M-14 looks like THE BEST BUY out there !
All I was saying is that running the SR-3500 was definitely going to
be a bit more painful than running a C-150 !!! :-) :-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 07:10 PM 12/22/00 -0500, you wrote:
Hello ALL, even if you only get 800 hours out of an M14, consider the fact
that to most recreational flyers this computes to between 8 and 20 years
before overhaul! Or considering that the cost is only around $18,000 U.S (or
a little more or less) you could just throw it away and install the spare
M14 that you are carrying around with you in the back of your SR3500, as
spare baggage! A new Lyco 260 H.P. IO-540, through MAM, is $40,000U.S and a
300 H.P one is $45,000 U.S. and I believe they are 2000 or 2400 hr TBO
engines. Do the math and it pretty much comes down to how you want the nose
of your SR to look and the bonus is 360 H.P for take off! Even an overhauled
IO-540 from Leavens (or most others) for a homebuilt is going to set you
back around $40,000 Cdn, + prop + prop governor. The propellor for the M14
can also be purchased for a lot less money than a new $9,000 + U.S Hartzell
prop can be!

Apparently the only thing that really ever happens to these engines is they
do like all radials and bend connecting rods (or blow cylinders off) due to
"hydraulic" oil lock in the bottom cylinders. Buy one of the cylinder
"drain" kits that's available (and I hope MAM is putting in the FWF kit) and
also pull the engine through by hand prior to start and you shouldn't have
any problems.

FWIW, I don't know about the M14, but LOM's M-462 (that is, for all
practical purposes, essentially a de-rated M14 putting out 315H.P) is
allowed 5 overhauls by the LOM factory to remain certified. That is a Total
Time of 4800 hours before it becomes a "homebuilt" engine!

Best Regards and a Merry Christmas,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Add those two factors to the stated TBO of only 800 hours
(although they claim they run MUCH longer ....), and you get a
fairly large number for the hourly operating cost !!
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Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:35 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
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You can also buy five or six GOOD C150's for what you will have wrapped up
in a finished SR3500! So it shouldn't be a big factor for anyone that is
(contemplating) building the SR2500/3500! The end price on a finished SR3500
(even with a factory new Lycoming & Hartzell) and it's maintenance costs
will still be A LOT cheaper than buying a 25 to 35 year old Cessna 185 on
wheels!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

I agree completely - the M-14 looks like THE BEST BUY out there !
All I was saying is that running the SR-3500 was definitely going to
be a bit more painful than running a C-150 !!! :-) :-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 07:10 PM 12/22/00 -0500, you wrote:
Hello ALL, even if you only get 800 hours out of an M14, consider the
fact
that to most recreational flyers this computes to between 8 and 20 years
before overhaul! Or considering that the cost is only around $18,000 U.S
(or
a little more or less) you could just throw it away and install the spare
M14 that you are carrying around with you in the back of your SR3500, as
spare baggage! A new Lyco 260 H.P. IO-540, through MAM, is $40,000U.S and
a
300 H.P one is $45,000 U.S. and I believe they are 2000 or 2400 hr TBO
engines. Do the math and it pretty much comes down to how you want the
nose
of your SR to look and the bonus is 360 H.P for take off! Even an
overhauled
IO-540 from Leavens (or most others) for a homebuilt is going to set you
back around $40,000 Cdn, + prop + prop governor. The propellor for the
M14
can also be purchased for a lot less money than a new $9,000 + U.S
Hartzell
prop can be!

Apparently the only thing that really ever happens to these engines is
they
do like all radials and bend connecting rods (or blow cylinders off) due
to
"hydraulic" oil lock in the bottom cylinders. Buy one of the cylinder
"drain" kits that's available (and I hope MAM is putting in the FWF kit)
and
also pull the engine through by hand prior to start and you shouldn't
have
any problems.

FWIW, I don't know about the M14, but LOM's M-462 (that is, for all
practical purposes, essentially a de-rated M14 putting out 315H.P) is
allowed 5 overhauls by the LOM factory to remain certified. That is a
Total
Time of 4800 hours before it becomes a "homebuilt" engine!

Best Regards and a Merry Christmas,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Add those two factors to the stated TBO of only 800 hours
(although they claim they run MUCH longer ....), and you get a
fairly large number for the hourly operating cost !!
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Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:38 pm
by Bob Patterson
That's FOR SURE !!! --- or a refurbished 45 year old Beaver !!

.....bobp

---------------------------------orig.----------------------------------
At 10:39 PM 12/22/00 -0500, you wrote:
You can also buy five or six GOOD C150's for what you will have wrapped up
in a finished SR3500! So it shouldn't be a big factor for anyone that is
(contemplating) building the SR2500/3500! The end price on a finished SR3500
(even with a factory new Lycoming & Hartzell) and it's maintenance costs
will still be A LOT cheaper than buying a 25 to 35 year old Cessna 185 on
wheels!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

I agree completely - the M-14 looks like THE BEST BUY out there !
All I was saying is that running the SR-3500 was definitely going to
be a bit more painful than running a C-150 !!! :-) :-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 07:10 PM 12/22/00 -0500, you wrote:
Hello ALL, even if you only get 800 hours out of an M14, consider the
fact
that to most recreational flyers this computes to between 8 and 20 years
before overhaul! Or considering that the cost is only around $18,000 U.S
(or
a little more or less) you could just throw it away and install the spare
M14 that you are carrying around with you in the back of your SR3500, as
spare baggage! A new Lyco 260 H.P. IO-540, through MAM, is $40,000U.S and
a
300 H.P one is $45,000 U.S. and I believe they are 2000 or 2400 hr TBO
engines. Do the math and it pretty much comes down to how you want the
nose
of your SR to look and the bonus is 360 H.P for take off! Even an
overhauled
IO-540 from Leavens (or most others) for a homebuilt is going to set you
back around $40,000 Cdn, + prop + prop governor. The propellor for the
M14
can also be purchased for a lot less money than a new $9,000 + U.S
Hartzell
prop can be!

Apparently the only thing that really ever happens to these engines is
they
do like all radials and bend connecting rods (or blow cylinders off) due
to
"hydraulic" oil lock in the bottom cylinders. Buy one of the cylinder
"drain" kits that's available (and I hope MAM is putting in the FWF kit)
and
also pull the engine through by hand prior to start and you shouldn't
have
any problems.

FWIW, I don't know about the M14, but LOM's M-462 (that is, for all
practical purposes, essentially a de-rated M14 putting out 315H.P) is
allowed 5 overhauls by the LOM factory to remain certified. That is a
Total
Time of 4800 hours before it becomes a "homebuilt" engine!

Best Regards and a Merry Christmas,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

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Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:38 pm
by rebelair
Bob

I think that you would be grinning so much behind this thing that you would
feel
no pain at all. I wish I could find a use for something like this! Maybe a
clipped wing SR for an extra 20 KNOTS.

Brian #328R

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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:24 PM
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I agree completely - the M-14 looks like THE BEST BUY out there !
All I was saying is that running the SR-3500 was definitely going to
be a bit more painful than running a C-150 !!! :-) :-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 07:10 PM 12/22/00 -0500, you wrote:
Hello ALL, even if you only get 800 hours out of an M14, consider the fact
that to most recreational flyers this computes to between 8 and 20 years
before overhaul! Or considering that the cost is only around $18,000 U.S
(or
a little more or less) you could just throw it away and install the spare
M14 that you are carrying around with you in the back of your SR3500, as
spare baggage! A new Lyco 260 H.P. IO-540, through MAM, is $40,000U.S and a
300 H.P one is $45,000 U.S. and I believe they are 2000 or 2400 hr TBO
engines. Do the math and it pretty much comes down to how you want the nose
of your SR to look and the bonus is 360 H.P for take off! Even an
overhauled
IO-540 from Leavens (or most others) for a homebuilt is going to set you
back around $40,000 Cdn, + prop + prop governor. The propellor for the M14
can also be purchased for a lot less money than a new $9,000 + U.S Hartzell
prop can be!

Apparently the only thing that really ever happens to these engines is they
do like all radials and bend connecting rods (or blow cylinders off) due to
"hydraulic" oil lock in the bottom cylinders. Buy one of the cylinder
"drain" kits that's available (and I hope MAM is putting in the FWF kit)
and
also pull the engine through by hand prior to start and you shouldn't have
any problems.

FWIW, I don't know about the M14, but LOM's M-462 (that is, for all
practical purposes, essentially a de-rated M14 putting out 315H.P) is
allowed 5 overhauls by the LOM factory to remain certified. That is a Total
Time of 4800 hours before it becomes a "homebuilt" engine!

Best Regards and a Merry Christmas,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Add those two factors to the stated TBO of only 800 hours
(although they claim they run MUCH longer ....), and you get a
fairly large number for the hourly operating cost !!
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:38 pm
by Mike Davis
This is from a message I received from the guy who built the first customer
completed SR... which has an M14-P and is on straight floats... he prefers
his plane called a baby beaver. You may recall at some point Murphy had
pictures of his plane on their web site... however, they gave him such a
hard time over putting this engine on his plane that he asked them to remove
the pictures, and now he doesn't like to associate his plane with Murphy
much. I have several pictures of his plane... goto:
ftp://ftp.dcsol.com/murphy-rebel/babybeaver/

--------------------------------------
The performance is great, its a true STOL aircraft on floats, takes off
short and lands short. So far I have mostly been running the engine around
65% power and 25 inches. Cruse is 120 mph on floats at those settings.
Fuel consumption at these settings is around 12 gal/hr. Floats are
PK3500's.
--------------------------------------

Mike

PS He's never had this plane on wheels...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew and Jan" <drewjan@execulink.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

My next door neighbor at the hangar is building a pitts model 12
he claims 15-17gph at cruise and 30gph at full throttle
drew

At 08:39 PM 12/19/00 -0500, you wrote:
I've got a question for anyone who knows about the Radial engine for
the Super Rebel. WHAT'S THE FUEL BURN ON THAT BABY? Thanks.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:38 pm
by Drew and Jan
My next door neighbor at the hangar is building a pitts model 12
he claims 15-17gph at cruise and 30gph at full throttle
drew

At 08:39 PM 12/19/00 -0500, you wrote:
I've got a question for anyone who knows about the Radial engine for
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Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:38 pm
by Mike Davis
What browser are you using? I've tested it with both Internet Explorer &
Netscape... you might have a problem with your installation. I can send
them to you directly if you'd like. Also, I will eventually get them posted
on the web site!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Mike, Is that the correct site address?? As I have said before I can never
get into this ftp site you and others keep talking about. If I click on,
or
type in, this address all it does is freeze my computer.

Thanks, Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

This is from a message I received from the guy who built the first
customer
completed SR... which has an M14-P and is on straight floats... he
prefers
his plane called a baby beaver. You may recall at some point Murphy had
pictures of his plane on their web site... however, they gave him such a
hard time over putting this engine on his plane that he asked them to
remove
the pictures, and now he doesn't like to associate his plane with Murphy
much. I have several pictures of his plane... goto:
ftp://ftp.dcsol.com/murphy-rebel/babybeaver/

--------------------------------------
The performance is great, its a true STOL aircraft on floats, takes off
short and lands short. So far I have mostly been running the engine
around
65% power and 25 inches. Cruse is 120 mph on floats at those settings.
Fuel consumption at these settings is around 12 gal/hr. Floats are
PK3500's.
--------------------------------------

Mike

PS He's never had this plane on wheels...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew and Jan" <drewjan@execulink.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

My next door neighbor at the hangar is building a pitts model 12
he claims 15-17gph at cruise and 30gph at full throttle
drew

At 08:39 PM 12/19/00 -0500, you wrote:
for
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:38 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
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Mike, Is that the correct site address?? As I have said before I can never
get into this ftp site you and others keep talking about. If I click on, or
type in, this address all it does is freeze my computer.

Thanks, Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

This is from a message I received from the guy who built the first
customer
completed SR... which has an M14-P and is on straight floats... he prefers
his plane called a baby beaver. You may recall at some point Murphy had
pictures of his plane on their web site... however, they gave him such a
hard time over putting this engine on his plane that he asked them to
remove
the pictures, and now he doesn't like to associate his plane with Murphy
much. I have several pictures of his plane... goto:
ftp://ftp.dcsol.com/murphy-rebel/babybeaver/

--------------------------------------
The performance is great, its a true STOL aircraft on floats, takes off
short and lands short. So far I have mostly been running the engine
around
65% power and 25 inches. Cruse is 120 mph on floats at those settings.
Fuel consumption at these settings is around 12 gal/hr. Floats are
PK3500's.
--------------------------------------

Mike

PS He's never had this plane on wheels...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew and Jan" <drewjan@execulink.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

My next door neighbor at the hangar is building a pitts model 12
he claims 15-17gph at cruise and 30gph at full throttle
drew

At 08:39 PM 12/19/00 -0500, you wrote:
I've got a question for anyone who knows about the Radial engine
for
the Super Rebel. WHAT'S THE FUEL BURN ON THAT BABY? Thanks.
-----------------------------------------------------
Click here for Free Video!!
http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:38 pm
by Wayne G. O'Shea
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Mike, I am using Internet Explorer as a browser and Outlook Express for
mail. Just wanted to make sure the address you have posted is correct. I
will get the household computer expert (my son, who else) to figure it out
for me. As for pictures of the "babybeaver", all I have to do is go over to
Rob Helt's to view a hundred or so of both the flying one and another one
that they have under construction up in Whitefish. He did a personal visit
to the "construction" site a couple months ago!

Thanks,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

What browser are you using? I've tested it with both Internet Explorer &
Netscape... you might have a problem with your installation. I can send
them to you directly if you'd like. Also, I will eventually get them
posted
on the web site!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Mike, Is that the correct site address?? As I have said before I can
never
get into this ftp site you and others keep talking about. If I click on,
or
type in, this address all it does is freeze my computer.

Thanks, Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

This is from a message I received from the guy who built the first
customer
completed SR... which has an M14-P and is on straight floats... he
prefers
his plane called a baby beaver. You may recall at some point Murphy
had
pictures of his plane on their web site... however, they gave him such
a
hard time over putting this engine on his plane that he asked them to
remove
the pictures, and now he doesn't like to associate his plane with
Murphy
much. I have several pictures of his plane... goto:
ftp://ftp.dcsol.com/murphy-rebel/babybeaver/

--------------------------------------
The performance is great, its a true STOL aircraft on floats, takes
off
short and lands short. So far I have mostly been running the engine
around
65% power and 25 inches. Cruse is 120 mph on floats at those
settings.
Fuel consumption at these settings is around 12 gal/hr. Floats are
PK3500's.
--------------------------------------

Mike

PS He's never had this plane on wheels...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew and Jan" <drewjan@execulink.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

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Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:38 pm
by Mike Davis
That's all I have of it... Eric came across the web site and sent me these.
I'll hit him up for some more after the holidays. He says he's having it
painted this winter.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

Thanks Mike !!

No problem at all viewing them with Netscape 3 and WinDoze 3.11 !!
The older stuff is "more compatible" !! ;-)

Do you have more photos ?? Would love to see some of it in
action !!

....bobp

--------------------------------orig.------------------------------------
At 08:38 PM 12/23/00 -0900, you wrote:
This is from a message I received from the guy who built the first
customer
completed SR... which has an M14-P and is on straight floats... he
prefers
his plane called a baby beaver. You may recall at some point Murphy had
pictures of his plane on their web site... however, they gave him such a
hard time over putting this engine on his plane that he asked them to
remove
the pictures, and now he doesn't like to associate his plane with Murphy
much. I have several pictures of his plane... goto:
ftp://ftp.dcsol.com/murphy-rebel/babybeaver/

--------------------------------------
The performance is great, its a true STOL aircraft on floats, takes off
short and lands short. So far I have mostly been running the engine
around
65% power and 25 inches. Cruse is 120 mph on floats at those settings.
Fuel consumption at these settings is around 12 gal/hr. Floats are
PK3500's.
--------------------------------------

Mike

PS He's never had this plane on wheels...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew and Jan" <drewjan@execulink.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Super (Beaver) Rebel MP-14

My next door neighbor at the hangar is building a pitts model 12
he claims 15-17gph at cruise and 30gph at full throttle
drew

At 08:39 PM 12/19/00 -0500, you wrote:
for
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