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[rebel-builders] Landing Gear: was Empty weights

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:30 pm
by bransom
I really appreciate the gear discussion. More about what really took place
and type of failure helps the potential for refinements immensely.

One thing I thought I'd throw in is that I believe wing VGs could help prevent
the type of problems discussed, such as high density altitude drop outs, or
just mild sheer related drop outs.

I'm still waiting for my main springs. I gave him my final spec two weeks
ago. Will pester him bit next week I think. My spec was for 4.25" spring
travel, but preloaded 1" to leave 3.25" operational, fully used up at just over
3G. This much travel yields quite a range of wheel angle between min and
max load. I mocked up with some min and max length dummy sticks in place
of the spring members to be able to eyeball what I thought looked like the
limits of maintaining control when fully squashed, or barely touching down
with just me and a few gallons gas.

As far as my drag strut, I used 4130 for that because I felt more confident of
being able to get the bend with 4130 than with the standard MAM dual
aluminum tubes. I used a wall thickness on my 4130 that results in just a
touch over the tensile strength of standard MAM. The bends came out great.
I'm also choosing not to drill that faring hole center span of the drag strut,
although I've not completely thought out how to fare without that faring
brace.

In all of this, I won't be able to report how well it works for awhile. :/



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[rebel-builders] Landing Gear: was Empty weights

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:30 pm
by Ken
MAM specifies two channels between the gear legs. (The top one being
absolutely essential IMO to relieve loading the rear fus attachment)
Fairings can be attached to those channels instead of to the main leg or
the drag strut. I also attached to the plates that are riveted to the
drag strut for attaching the channels. It has been stated in the
archives that the strength of the drag strut has never been an issue
even when other parts of the gear have been significantly bent so I
would not hesitate to install the specified channels.

You can also attach a vertical channel to the forward side of the main
gear leg using the existing bolts. Then attach fairings to that channel
since MAM specifies no additional rivet holes in the main gear leg.

Ken

I'm also choosing not to drill that faring hole center span of the drag strut,
although I've not completely thought out how to fare without that faring
brace.

In all of this, I won't be able to report how well it works for awhile. :/

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[rebel-builders] Landing Gear: was Empty weights

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:30 pm
by bransom
Has anyone ever heard of the gussets being a failure point? Either the bow-
tie air in the center or those at the axle?

On 7/3/2010 3:23 AM, klehman@albedo.net wrote to rebel-builders:
MAM specifies two channels between the gear legs. (The top one being
absolutely essential IMO to relieve loading the rear fus attachment)
Yes, that top channel seems totally necessary for the reason you state. The
relief cutouts and attachment of that piece seems understrength to me.
(You can tell, I would be unable to design a light airplane.)
Fairings can be attached to those channels instead of to the main leg or
the drag strut. I also attached to the plates that are riveted to the
drag strut for attaching the channels. It has been stated in the
archives that the strength of the drag strut has never been an issue
even when other parts of the gear have been significantly bent so I
would not hesitate to install the specified channels.

You can also attach a vertical channel to the forward side of the main
gear leg using the existing bolts. Then attach fairings to that channel
since MAM specifies no additional rivet holes in the main gear leg.
Sounds like an excellent idea. I'll do it! ...thanks
-Ben
Ken

I'm also choosing not to drill that faring hole center span of the drag
strut,
although I've not completely thought out how to fare without that faring
brace.

In all of this, I won't be able to report how well it works for awhile. :/


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[rebel-builders] Landing Gear: was Empty weights

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:30 pm
by Bob Patterson
Hi Ben !

Never ! ....and there's no problem rivetting fairings
to the top channel, or cross brace channel, either !

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On July 3, 2010 12:07:26 pm bransom@dcsol.com wrote:
Has anyone ever heard of the gussets being a failure point? Either the
bow- tie air in the center or those at the axle?

On 7/3/2010 3:23 AM, klehman@albedo.net wrote to rebel-builders:
MAM specifies two channels between the gear legs. (The top one being
absolutely essential IMO to relieve loading the rear fus attachment)
Yes, that top channel seems totally necessary for the reason you state. The
relief cutouts and attachment of that piece seems understrength to me.
(You can tell, I would be unable to design a light airplane.)
Fairings can be attached to those channels instead of to the main leg or
the drag strut. I also attached to the plates that are riveted to the
drag strut for attaching the channels. It has been stated in the
archives that the strength of the drag strut has never been an issue
even when other parts of the gear have been significantly bent so I
would not hesitate to install the specified channels.

You can also attach a vertical channel to the forward side of the main
gear leg using the existing bolts. Then attach fairings to that channel
since MAM specifies no additional rivet holes in the main gear leg.
Sounds like an excellent idea. I'll do it! ...thanks
-Ben
Ken
I'm also choosing not to drill that faring hole center span of the drag
strut,
although I've not completely thought out how to fare without that
faring brace.

In all of this, I won't be able to report how well it works for awhile.
:/
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[rebel-builders] Landing Gear: was Empty weights

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:30 pm
by craig
Ben,

You could also use fabric on the fairings. I might do that. Light and
tough and easier , too! CW
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Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing Gear: was Empty weights

I really appreciate the gear discussion. More about what really took place
and type of failure helps the potential for refinements immensely.

One thing I thought I'd throw in is that I believe wing VGs could help
prevent
the type of problems discussed, such as high density altitude drop outs,
or
just mild sheer related drop outs.

I'm still waiting for my main springs. I gave him my final spec two weeks
ago. Will pester him bit next week I think. My spec was for 4.25" spring
travel, but preloaded 1" to leave 3.25" operational, fully used up at just
over
3G. This much travel yields quite a range of wheel angle between min and
max load. I mocked up with some min and max length dummy sticks in place
of the spring members to be able to eyeball what I thought looked like the
limits of maintaining control when fully squashed, or barely touching down
with just me and a few gallons gas.

As far as my drag strut, I used 4130 for that because I felt more
confident of
being able to get the bend with 4130 than with the standard MAM dual
aluminum tubes. I used a wall thickness on my 4130 that results in just a
touch over the tensile strength of standard MAM. The bends came out great.
I'm also choosing not to drill that faring hole center span of the drag
strut,
although I've not completely thought out how to fare without that faring
brace.

In all of this, I won't be able to report how well it works for awhile. :/



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