[rebel-builders] Fus 5 Holes for LG 26

[Wayne G. O'Shea]

It also (almost) says to do so in the old manual between step 195 and 196..
if you read closely!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland Kriening" <kriening@rogers.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Fus 5 Holes for LG 26

Thanks Ken,

I like your idea, and will drill both fus 5 to accept a socket. Makes
sense
if you want to install floats, otherwise the nut would not be accessible.

I would like to take some more pics of your plane... it helps out greatly
when building. Where do you fly out of?

Thanks all for the help.

Roland
R56

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 1:20 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fus 5 Holes for LG 26

What if you ever need to replace the LG26, or perhaps remove them after
installing floats? Landing gear incidents do occasionally happen. If it
is OK to cut the carry throughs in half, it is OK to cut bolt/socket
holes in the piece that I did not cut off and throw away IMO. I like to
look ahead and make maintenance and repairs as easy as possible.
Ken

Curtis Langholz wrote:

Roland,

I just built my cage a couple of months ago. I cut mine in half, but
for the full tubes you drill a hole only in the back side of the rear
fus 5 to fit a socket over the head of the 5/16" bolt. The manual
says to make room for the socket but they left out the step to tell
you the size of the hole for the socket. The front is left undrilled
and you are supposed to fit a wrench down the end of the tube to hold
the nut in place. The AN-5-20 bolt will fit between both fus -5's to
support the gear leg. At the end of the fus - 5's the 3 bolts are
only AN 3-20's.

Curtis

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:19:28 -0400 From: klehman@albedo.net To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fus 5 Holes
for LG 26

Roland That is consistent with my memory and a quick scan of the
manual. Think I drilled about 5/8" holes to fit sockets inside both
Fus5 channels. The -20 bolt would be the same bolt whether or not
someone cut the Fus5's in half and it installs exactly the same way
once you cut access holes for a socket. Ken

Roland Kriening wrote:

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[Ken]

Roland
That is consistent with my memory and a quick scan of the manual. Think
I drilled about 5/8" holes to fit sockets inside both Fus5 channels. The
-20 bolt would be the same bolt whether or not someone cut the Fus5's in
half and it installs exactly the same way once you cut access holes for
a socket.
Ken

Roland Kriening wrote:

Building the regular landing gear model... Fus 5 shows two 5/16 holes
drilled, but does not indicate if they go completely through both fus 5s.
The instructions say not to drill any holes in the front Fus 5, so I have
drilled the back Fus 5 to 5/16. Looking ahead in the plans, it shows a
AN5-20 bolting the LG 26s to the Fus 5, but is not clear which Fus 5 they
are bolted to, front or back. As the bolt is only a 20, it will only go
through one Fus 5. By the way I left my Fus 5s full and did not cut in half.


Logic tells me that the bolt should go through both Fus 5s as well as the LG
26. So I guess I must drill a hole big enough to get the bolt and a socket
into, same as with the holes at the end of the Fus 5.

Just looking for some guidance... as replacement parts are hard to come by.

Roland
R56

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[Curtis Langholz]

Roland,

I just built my cage a couple of months ago. I cut mine in half, but for the full tubes you drill a hole only in the back side of the rear fus 5 to fit a socket over the head of the 5/16" bolt. The manual says to make room for the socket but they left out the step to tell you the size of the hole for the socket. The front is left undrilled and you are supposed to fit a wrench down the end of the tube to hold the nut in place. The AN-5-20 bolt will fit between both fus -5's to support the gear leg. At the end of the fus - 5's the 3 bolts are only AN 3-20's.

Curtis

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:19:28 -0400
From: klehman@albedo.net
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fus 5 Holes for LG 26

Roland
That is consistent with my memory and a quick scan of the manual. Think
I drilled about 5/8" holes to fit sockets inside both Fus5 channels. The
-20 bolt would be the same bolt whether or not someone cut the Fus5's in
half and it installs exactly the same way once you cut access holes for
a socket.
Ken

Roland Kriening wrote:

Building the regular landing gear model... Fus 5 shows two 5/16 holes
drilled, but does not indicate if they go completely through both fus 5s.
The instructions say not to drill any holes in the front Fus 5, so I have
drilled the back Fus 5 to 5/16. Looking ahead in the plans, it shows a
AN5-20 bolting the LG 26s to the Fus 5, but is not clear which Fus 5 they
are bolted to, front or back. As the bolt is only a 20, it will only go
through one Fus 5. By the way I left my Fus 5s full and did not cut in half.


Logic tells me that the bolt should go through both Fus 5s as well as the LG
26. So I guess I must drill a hole big enough to get the bolt and a socket
into, same as with the holes at the end of the Fus 5.

Just looking for some guidance... as replacement parts are hard to come by.

Roland
R56

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[Ken]

What if you ever need to replace the LG26, or perhaps remove them after
installing floats? Landing gear incidents do occasionally happen. If it
is OK to cut the carry throughs in half, it is OK to cut bolt/socket
holes in the piece that I did not cut off and throw away IMO. I like to
look ahead and make maintenance and repairs as easy as possible.
Ken

Curtis Langholz wrote:

Roland,

I just built my cage a couple of months ago. I cut mine in half, but
for the full tubes you drill a hole only in the back side of the rear
fus 5 to fit a socket over the head of the 5/16" bolt. The manual
says to make room for the socket but they left out the step to tell
you the size of the hole for the socket. The front is left undrilled
and you are supposed to fit a wrench down the end of the tube to hold
the nut in place. The AN-5-20 bolt will fit between both fus -5's to
support the gear leg. At the end of the fus - 5's the 3 bolts are
only AN 3-20's.

Curtis

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:19:28 -0400 From: klehman@albedo.net To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fus 5 Holes
for LG 26

Roland That is consistent with my memory and a quick scan of the
manual. Think I drilled about 5/8" holes to fit sockets inside both
Fus5 channels. The -20 bolt would be the same bolt whether or not
someone cut the Fus5's in half and it installs exactly the same way
once you cut access holes for a socket. Ken

Roland Kriening wrote:

Building the regular landing gear model... Fus 5 shows two 5/16
holes drilled, but does not indicate if they go completely
through both fus 5s. The instructions say not to drill any holes
in the front Fus 5, so I have drilled the back Fus 5 to 5/16.
Looking ahead in the plans, it shows a AN5-20 bolting the LG 26s
to the Fus 5, but is not clear which Fus 5 they are bolted to,
front or back. As the bolt is only a 20, it will only go through
one Fus 5. By the way I left my Fus 5s full and did not cut in
half.


Logic tells me that the bolt should go through both Fus 5s as
well as the LG 26. So I guess I must drill a hole big enough to
get the bolt and a socket into, same as with the holes at the end
of the Fus 5.

Just looking for some guidance... as replacement parts are hard
to come by.

Roland R56

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[Drew Dalgleish]

I cut my FUS 5's in half and installed fixed nut plates on the back one to
make switching to floats easier. Even without cutting the FUS5 I'd make a
large enough hole to rivet a nut plate.

At 01:20 PM 06/06/2010 -0400, you wrote:

What if you ever need to replace the LG26, or perhaps remove them after
installing floats? Landing gear incidents do occasionally happen. If it
is OK to cut the carry throughs in half, it is OK to cut bolt/socket
holes in the piece that I did not cut off and throw away IMO. I like to
look ahead and make maintenance and repairs as easy as possible.
Ken

Curtis Langholz wrote:

Roland,

I just built my cage a couple of months ago. I cut mine in half, but
for the full tubes you drill a hole only in the back side of the rear
fus 5 to fit a socket over the head of the 5/16" bolt. The manual
says to make room for the socket but they left out the step to tell
you the size of the hole for the socket. The front is left undrilled
and you are supposed to fit a wrench down the end of the tube to hold
the nut in place. The AN-5-20 bolt will fit between both fus -5's to
support the gear leg. At the end of the fus - 5's the 3 bolts are
only AN 3-20's.

Curtis

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:19:28 -0400 From: klehman@albedo.net To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fus 5 Holes
for LG 26

Roland That is consistent with my memory and a quick scan of the
manual. Think I drilled about 5/8" holes to fit sockets inside both
Fus5 channels. The -20 bolt would be the same bolt whether or not
someone cut the Fus5's in half and it installs exactly the same way
once you cut access holes for a socket. Ken

Roland Kriening wrote:

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[Ken]

Hi Drew

I could not help but notice that coming through the floor and routing
the amphib hydraulic lines would have been a bit easier if I'd cut 1/2
or a 1/4 off the forward carrythroughs. Thanks for recommending the DOT
air brake tubing as it is more flexible than the stuff from MAM and that
helped.

OTOH (warning heresy alert) I'd seriously consider the "spring" gear if
building again. Seems to me that the current mounting re-inforcement
together with Alister's beams back to the rear gear attach fittings
might make for a tough and low maintenance landing gear. I suppose it
would loose the classic "Rebel" look though...

Ken

Drew Dalgleish wrote:

I cut my FUS 5's in half and installed fixed nut plates on the back one to
make switching to floats easier. Even without cutting the FUS5 I'd make a
large enough hole to rivet a nut plate.

At 01:20 PM 06/06/2010 -0400, you wrote:

What if you ever need to replace the LG26, or perhaps remove them after
installing floats? Landing gear incidents do occasionally happen. If it
is OK to cut the carry throughs in half, it is OK to cut bolt/socket
holes in the piece that I did not cut off and throw away IMO. I like to
look ahead and make maintenance and repairs as easy as possible.
Ken

Curtis Langholz wrote:

Roland,

I just built my cage a couple of months ago. I cut mine in half, but
for the full tubes you drill a hole only in the back side of the rear
fus 5 to fit a socket over the head of the 5/16" bolt. The manual
says to make room for the socket but they left out the step to tell
you the size of the hole for the socket. The front is left undrilled
and you are supposed to fit a wrench down the end of the tube to hold
the nut in place. The AN-5-20 bolt will fit between both fus -5's to
support the gear leg. At the end of the fus - 5's the 3 bolts are
only AN 3-20's.

Curtis

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[Roland Kriening]

Thanks Ken,

I like your idea, and will drill both fus 5 to accept a socket. Makes sense
if you want to install floats, otherwise the nut would not be accessible.

I would like to take some more pics of your plane... it helps out greatly
when building. Where do you fly out of?

Thanks all for the help.

Roland
R56

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 1:20 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fus 5 Holes for LG 26

What if you ever need to replace the LG26, or perhaps remove them after
installing floats? Landing gear incidents do occasionally happen. If it
is OK to cut the carry throughs in half, it is OK to cut bolt/socket
holes in the piece that I did not cut off and throw away IMO. I like to
look ahead and make maintenance and repairs as easy as possible.
Ken

Curtis Langholz wrote:

Roland,

I just built my cage a couple of months ago. I cut mine in half, but
for the full tubes you drill a hole only in the back side of the rear
fus 5 to fit a socket over the head of the 5/16" bolt. The manual
says to make room for the socket but they left out the step to tell
you the size of the hole for the socket. The front is left undrilled
and you are supposed to fit a wrench down the end of the tube to hold
the nut in place. The AN-5-20 bolt will fit between both fus -5's to
support the gear leg. At the end of the fus - 5's the 3 bolts are
only AN 3-20's.

Curtis

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:19:28 -0400 From: klehman@albedo.net To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fus 5 Holes
for LG 26

Roland That is consistent with my memory and a quick scan of the
manual. Think I drilled about 5/8" holes to fit sockets inside both
Fus5 channels. The -20 bolt would be the same bolt whether or not
someone cut the Fus5's in half and it installs exactly the same way
once you cut access holes for a socket. Ken

Roland Kriening wrote:

Building the regular landing gear model... Fus 5 shows two 5/16
holes drilled, but does not indicate if they go completely
through both fus 5s. The instructions say not to drill any holes
in the front Fus 5, so I have drilled the back Fus 5 to 5/16.
Looking ahead in the plans, it shows a AN5-20 bolting the LG 26s
to the Fus 5, but is not clear which Fus 5 they are bolted to,
front or back. As the bolt is only a 20, it will only go through
one Fus 5. By the way I left my Fus 5s full and did not cut in
half.


Logic tells me that the bolt should go through both Fus 5s as
well as the LG 26. So I guess I must drill a hole big enough to
get the bolt and a socket into, same as with the holes at the end
of the Fus 5.

Just looking for some guidance... as replacement parts are hard
to come by.

Roland R56

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[schaumr]

If you don't want to install standard nutplates, I went with two AN5 clickbond
nutplates on the inside of the aft fus 5 (uncut) so I could remove/maintain
the bolts from the footwell side without undoing the floor.

Also, just make doubly sure the AN5-20 bolts are still the right ones for the
job when you're finally ready to install...I think I may have had to to go to
AN5-21.

Rob
Rebel 786

On 6/6/2010 11:57 AM, kriening@rogers.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Thanks Ken,
->
-> I like your idea, and will drill both fus 5 to accept a socket. Makes sense
-> if you want to install floats, otherwise the nut would not be accessible.
->
-> I would like to take some more pics of your plane... it helps out greatly
-> when building. Where do you fly out of?
->
-> Thanks all for the help.
->
-> Roland
-> R56
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Ken
-> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 1:20 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fus 5 Holes for LG 26
->
-> What if you ever need to replace the LG26, or perhaps remove them after
-> installing floats? Landing gear incidents do occasionally happen. If it
-> is OK to cut the carry throughs in half, it is OK to cut bolt/socket
-> holes in the piece that I did not cut off and throw away IMO. I like to
-> look ahead and make maintenance and repairs as easy as possible.
-> Ken
->
-> Curtis Langholz wrote:
-> > Roland,
-> >
-> > I just built my cage a couple of months ago. I cut mine in half, but
-> > for the full tubes you drill a hole only in the back side of the rear
-> > fus 5 to fit a socket over the head of the 5/16" bolt. The manual
-> > says to make room for the socket but they left out the step to tell
-> > you the size of the hole for the socket. The front is left undrilled
-> > and you are supposed to fit a wrench down the end of the tube to hold
-> > the nut in place. The AN-5-20 bolt will fit between both fus -5's to
-> > support the gear leg. At the end of the fus - 5's the 3 bolts are
-> > only AN 3-20's.
-> >
-> > Curtis
-> >
-> >> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:19:28 -0400 From: klehman@albedo.net To:
-> >> rebel-builders@dcsol.com Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fus 5 Holes
-> >> for LG 26
-> >>
-> >> Roland That is consistent with my memory and a quick scan of the
-> >> manual. Think I drilled about 5/8" holes to fit sockets inside both
-> >> Fus5 channels. The -20 bolt would be the same bolt whether or not
-> >> someone cut the Fus5's in half and it installs exactly the same way
-> >> once you cut access holes for a socket. Ken
-> >>
-> >> Roland Kriening wrote:
-> >>> Building the regular landing gear model... Fus 5 shows two 5/16
-> >>> holes drilled, but does not indicate if they go completely
-> >>> through both fus 5s. The instructions say not to drill any holes
-> >>> in the front Fus 5, so I have drilled the back Fus 5 to 5/16.
-> >>> Looking ahead in the plans, it shows a AN5-20 bolting the LG 26s
-> >>> to the Fus 5, but is not clear which Fus 5 they are bolted to,
-> >>> front or back. As the bolt is only a 20, it will only go through
-> >>> one Fus 5. By the way I left my Fus 5s full and did not cut in
-> >>> half.
-> >>>
-> >>>
-> >>> Logic tells me that the bolt should go through both Fus 5s as
-> >>> well as the LG 26. So I guess I must drill a hole big enough to
-> >>> get the bolt and a socket into, same as with the holes at the end
-> >>> of the Fus 5.
-> >>>
-> >>> Just looking for some guidance... as replacement parts are hard
-> >>> to come by.
-> >>>
-> >>> Roland R56
-> >>>
->
->
->
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