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Does most of you have alternate static source installed in your airplane?



My Rebel doesn't have it, some of my instrument failed during the trip to Alaska last year (I remember it was Airspeed, and possible Vertical speed and Altimeter), I think the moisture (water) got into the static port instead of pitot (come to think of it).



Can any one share the wisdom with me? what's the best way to install a alternate static source? I'm thinking to put a "T" and use an air valve to turn it on and off.



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That's what I have Jay... mounted right into the bottom lip of the panel
edge.

Hard to read.. but to the left of the primer..

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/panels/panel-3.jpg


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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Static port

Does most of you have alternate static source installed in your airplane?



My Rebel doesn't have it, some of my instrument failed during the trip to
Alaska last year (I remember it was Airspeed, and possible Vertical speed
and Altimeter), I think the moisture (water) got into the static port
instead of pitot (come to think of it).



Can any one share the wisdom with me? what's the best way to install a
alternate static source? I'm thinking to put a "T" and use an air valve to
turn it on and off.



Jay


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Hi Wayne,



Couldn't see it clearly in the picture, is it under Bank & Turn coordinator? do you use a valve to turn it open and close?



Jay

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Static port
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:12:06 -0400

That's what I have Jay... mounted right into the bottom lip of the panel
edge.

Hard to read.. but to the left of the primer..

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/panels/panel-3.jpg


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From: "Jay Yau" <jayyau28@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Static port

Does most of you have alternate static source installed in your airplane?



My Rebel doesn't have it, some of my instrument failed during the trip to
Alaska last year (I remember it was Airspeed, and possible Vertical speed
and Altimeter), I think the moisture (water) got into the static port
instead of pitot (come to think of it).



Can any one share the wisdom with me? what's the best way to install a
alternate static source? I'm thinking to put a "T" and use an air valve to
turn it on and off.



Jay


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Yes Jay... a simple drain cock. It's threaded NPT so easy to adapt to a
fitting to connect your tubing to.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:18 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Static port

Hi Wayne,



Couldn't see it clearly in the picture, is it under Bank & Turn
coordinator? do you use a valve to turn it open and close?



Jay

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Static port
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:12:06 -0400

That's what I have Jay... mounted right into the bottom lip of the panel
edge.

Hard to read.. but to the left of the primer..

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/panels/panel-3.jpg


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Yau" <jayyau28@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Static port

Does most of you have alternate static source installed in your
airplane?



My Rebel doesn't have it, some of my instrument failed during the trip
to
Alaska last year (I remember it was Airspeed, and possible Vertical
speed
and Altimeter), I think the moisture (water) got into the static port
instead of pitot (come to think of it).



Can any one share the wisdom with me? what's the best way to install a
alternate static source? I'm thinking to put a "T" and use an air valve
to
turn it on and off.



Jay


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I used this:
http://www.clippard.com/store/display_d ... ?sku=MTV-2

It is manufactured by Clippard and the part number is MTV-2. It looks
just like an aviation toggle switch on the outside, but is a pneumatic
switch. I thought I purchased it from mcmaster carr or grainger, but
couldn't find it online by those numbers....

-Mike Kraus

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On Apr 12, 2010, at 11:23 PM, "Wayne G. O'Shea"
<oifa@irishfield.on.ca> wrote:

Yes Jay... a simple drain cock. It's threaded NPT so easy to adapt
to a
fitting to connect your tubing to.

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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:18 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Static port

Hi Wayne,



Couldn't see it clearly in the picture, is it under Bank & Turn
coordinator? do you use a valve to turn it open and close?



Jay

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Static port
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:12:06 -0400

That's what I have Jay... mounted right into the bottom lip of the
panel
edge.

Hard to read.. but to the left of the primer..

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/panels/panel-3.jpg


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Inside the wing strut is probably better than in the cabin. I have a murphy
pitot tube with the static port built in and it works pretty good.

At 05:24 PM 07/06/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Hello All

I have read everything in the archives about the location of the static port
on the Rebel. The only thing everybody seams to agree on is to vent it
inside the cabin. I am not to sure how well that would go over with the
people who will do the initial and subsequent bi-annual inspection for my
mode "C" transponder? What if I plumbed all the flight instruments and the
encoder together and ran the static line outside and a couple of feet up in
to the left side lift strut with a vented plug in the end? I know of a
couple aircraft that do just that. Would that make a difference? Anybody
tried that?

Charlie E. 802R

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Thanks Drew
I wish I had the foresight to do something like that before I closed up my
wing. Unless I find something better I guess I will just vent the static up
the lift strut.
Charlie E.
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Static port

Inside the wing strut is probably better than in the cabin. I have a
murphy
pitot tube with the static port built in and it works pretty good.

At 05:24 PM 07/06/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Hello All

I have read everything in the archives about the location of the static
port
on the Rebel. The only thing everybody seams to agree on is to vent it
inside the cabin. I am not to sure how well that would go over with the
people who will do the initial and subsequent bi-annual inspection for my
mode "C" transponder? What if I plumbed all the flight instruments and the
encoder together and ran the static line outside and a couple of feet up
in
to the left side lift strut with a vented plug in the end? I know of a
couple aircraft that do just that. Would that make a difference? Anybody
tried that?

Charlie E. 802R

Drew



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I installed mine with the wing closed up. It takes about a 1" hole in the
leading edge and another hole in the bottom of the wing right in front of
the strut attach bracket. The hoses run straight back inside the wing then
down the strut and into the cabin. The holes get covered up by the strut
fairings.

At 10:27 PM 08/06/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Thanks Drew
I wish I had the foresight to do something like that before I closed up my
wing. Unless I find something better I guess I will just vent the static up
the lift strut.
Charlie E.
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From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Static port

Inside the wing strut is probably better than in the cabin. I have a
murphy
pitot tube with the static port built in and it works pretty good.

At 05:24 PM 07/06/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Hello All

I have read everything in the archives about the location of the static
port
on the Rebel. The only thing everybody seams to agree on is to vent it
inside the cabin. I am not to sure how well that would go over with the
people who will do the initial and subsequent bi-annual inspection for my
mode "C" transponder? What if I plumbed all the flight instruments and the
encoder together and ran the static line outside and a couple of feet up
in
to the left side lift strut with a vented plug in the end? I know of a
couple aircraft that do just that. Would that make a difference? Anybody
tried that?

Charlie E. 802R

Drew



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I have vented my static pick up to inside the cabin and it
reads wrong. I have vents for cooling air into the cockpit.
When I open the vents I read 400 to 500 feet lower than
with the vents closed. I am not sure whether the cockpit is
a bit pressurized, either negatively or positively.
As a result, I have purchased a static port and will be
installing it soon about 1/3 of the way back on the tail
cone. Will try and remember to send the results.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Charlie Eubanks
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:24 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Static port

Hello All

I have read everything in the archives about the location of the static port

on the Rebel. The only thing everybody seams to agree on is to vent it
inside the cabin. I am not to sure how well that would go over with the
people who will do the initial and subsequent bi-annual inspection for my
mode "C" transponder? What if I plumbed all the flight instruments and the
encoder together and ran the static line outside and a couple of feet up in
to the left side lift strut with a vented plug in the end? I know of a
couple aircraft that do just that. Would that make a difference? Anybody
tried that?

Charlie E. 802R






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I believe I read in one of the eaa tony bingelis (excuse spelling) books
that you should never use static port that is inside the cabin

Cheers

Mike#007

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Gary Gustafson
Sent: June 10, 2010 11:38 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Static port

I have vented my static pick up to inside the cabin and it
reads wrong. I have vents for cooling air into the cockpit.
When I open the vents I read 400 to 500 feet lower than
with the vents closed. I am not sure whether the cockpit is
a bit pressurized, either negatively or positively.
As a result, I have purchased a static port and will be
installing it soon about 1/3 of the way back on the tail
cone. Will try and remember to send the results.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Charlie Eubanks
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:24 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Static port

Hello All

I have read everything in the archives about the location of the static
port

on the Rebel. The only thing everybody seams to agree on is to vent it
inside the cabin. I am not to sure how well that would go over with the
people who will do the initial and subsequent bi-annual inspection for
my
mode "C" transponder? What if I plumbed all the flight instruments and
the
encoder together and ran the static line outside and a couple of feet up
in
to the left side lift strut with a vented plug in the end? I know of a
couple aircraft that do just that. Would that make a difference? Anybody

tried that?

Charlie E. 802R






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My static source works well from inside the
cabin and my local shop is fine with that for transponder certification.
Yes there is a flicker if I change cabin ventilation but the acid
test is cruising just above a runway. If the altimeter reads correctly
then the static source is accurate.
Ken


Jones, Michael wrote:

I believe I read in one of the eaa tony bingelis (excuse spelling) books
that you should never use static port that is inside the cabin

Cheers

Mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Gary Gustafson
Sent: June 10, 2010 11:38 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Static port

I have vented my static pick up to inside the cabin and it
reads wrong. I have vents for cooling air into the cockpit.
When I open the vents I read 400 to 500 feet lower than
with the vents closed. I am not sure whether the cockpit is
a bit pressurized, either negatively or positively.
As a result, I have purchased a static port and will be
installing it soon about 1/3 of the way back on the tail
cone. Will try and remember to send the results.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Charlie Eubanks
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:24 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Static port

Hello All

I have read everything in the archives about the location of the static
port

on the Rebel. The only thing everybody seams to agree on is to vent it
inside the cabin. I am not to sure how well that would go over with the
people who will do the initial and subsequent bi-annual inspection for
my
mode "C" transponder? What if I plumbed all the flight instruments and
the
encoder together and ran the static line outside and a couple of feet up
in
to the left side lift strut with a vented plug in the end? I know of a
couple aircraft that do just that. Would that make a difference? Anybody

tried that?

Charlie E. 802R

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Ken
That is good to hear. Could you tell us if your instruments ( and endecoder)
are hook up together and then vented through one tube or is each one vented
individually?
Charlie E.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Static port

My static source works well from inside the
cabin and my local shop is fine with that for transponder certification.
Yes there is a flicker if I change cabin ventilation but the acid
test is cruising just above a runway. If the altimeter reads correctly
then the static source is accurate.
Ken


Jones, Michael wrote:

I believe I read in one of the eaa tony bingelis (excuse spelling) books
that you should never use static port that is inside the cabin

Cheers

Mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Gary Gustafson
Sent: June 10, 2010 11:38 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Static port

I have vented my static pick up to inside the cabin and it
reads wrong. I have vents for cooling air into the cockpit.
When I open the vents I read 400 to 500 feet lower than
with the vents closed. I am not sure whether the cockpit is
a bit pressurized, either negatively or positively.
As a result, I have purchased a static port and will be
installing it soon about 1/3 of the way back on the tail
cone. Will try and remember to send the results.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Charlie Eubanks
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:24 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Static port

Hello All

I have read everything in the archives about the location of the static
port

on the Rebel. The only thing everybody seams to agree on is to vent it
inside the cabin. I am not to sure how well that would go over with the
people who will do the initial and subsequent bi-annual inspection for
my
mode "C" transponder? What if I plumbed all the flight instruments and
the
encoder together and ran the static line outside and a couple of feet up
in
to the left side lift strut with a vented plug in the end? I know of a
couple aircraft that do just that. Would that make a difference? Anybody

tried that?

Charlie E. 802R

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Hi Charlie
Both are hooked up together to a common tube as a radio shop has to
compare the readings. They will want a single point to connect to as far
as I know.
Ken

Charlie Eubanks wrote:

Ken
That is good to hear. Could you tell us if your instruments ( and endecoder)
are hook up together and then vented through one tube or is each one vented
individually?
Charlie E.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Static port

My static source works well from inside the
cabin and my local shop is fine with that for transponder certification.
Yes there is a flicker if I change cabin ventilation but the acid
test is cruising just above a runway. If the altimeter reads correctly
then the static source is accurate.
Ken


Jones, Michael wrote:

I believe I read in one of the eaa tony bingelis (excuse spelling) books
that you should never use static port that is inside the cabin

Cheers

Mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Gary Gustafson
Sent: June 10, 2010 11:38 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Static port

I have vented my static pick up to inside the cabin and it
reads wrong. I have vents for cooling air into the cockpit.
When I open the vents I read 400 to 500 feet lower than
with the vents closed. I am not sure whether the cockpit is
a bit pressurized, either negatively or positively.
As a result, I have purchased a static port and will be
installing it soon about 1/3 of the way back on the tail
cone. Will try and remember to send the results.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Charlie Eubanks
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:24 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Static port

Hello All

I have read everything in the archives about the location of the static
port

on the Rebel. The only thing everybody seams to agree on is to vent it
inside the cabin. I am not to sure how well that would go over with the
people who will do the initial and subsequent bi-annual inspection for
my
mode "C" transponder? What if I plumbed all the flight instruments and
the
encoder together and ran the static line outside and a couple of feet up
in
to the left side lift strut with a vented plug in the end? I know of a
couple aircraft that do just that. Would that make a difference? Anybody

tried that?

Charlie E. 802R

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C-172s and other TC airplanes typically have two static ports: one on
the outside, and one inside the cabin with a valve to select one or
the other. The outside static port is used for normal operation. If
the outside port becomes fouled (by ice, for example) the inside port
can be selected. The Cessna 172 manual warns that the inside port is
not as accurate as the outside port.

Roger Cole
Murphy Elite #709
rcole927@earthlink.net



On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Gary Gustafson wrote:

I have vented my static pick up to inside the cabin and it
reads wrong. I have vents for cooling air into the cockpit.
When I open the vents I read 400 to 500 feet lower than
with the vents closed. I am not sure whether the cockpit is
a bit pressurized, either negatively or positively.
As a result, I have purchased a static port and will be
installing it soon about 1/3 of the way back on the tail
cone. Will try and remember to send the results.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Charlie Eubanks
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:24 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Static port

Hello All

I have read everything in the archives about the location of the
static port

on the Rebel. The only thing everybody seams to agree on is to vent it
inside the cabin. I am not to sure how well that would go over with
the
people who will do the initial and subsequent bi-annual inspection
for my
mode "C" transponder? What if I plumbed all the flight instruments
and the
encoder together and ran the static line outside and a couple of
feet up in
to the left side lift strut with a vented plug in the end? I know of a
couple aircraft that do just that. Would that make a difference?
Anybody
tried that?

Charlie E. 802R






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Thanks Roger
I will be eager to hear what you find. I think Eric Fogel has a similar
location on his Elite. I wonder how well his works?
Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Cole" <rcole927@earthlink.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Static port

C-172s and other TC airplanes typically have two static ports: one on
the outside, and one inside the cabin with a valve to select one or
the other. The outside static port is used for normal operation. If
the outside port becomes fouled (by ice, for example) the inside port
can be selected. The Cessna 172 manual warns that the inside port is
not as accurate as the outside port.

Roger Cole
Murphy Elite #709
rcole927@earthlink.net



On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Gary Gustafson wrote:

I have vented my static pick up to inside the cabin and it
reads wrong. I have vents for cooling air into the cockpit.
When I open the vents I read 400 to 500 feet lower than
with the vents closed. I am not sure whether the cockpit is
a bit pressurized, either negatively or positively.
As a result, I have purchased a static port and will be
installing it soon about 1/3 of the way back on the tail
cone. Will try and remember to send the results.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Charlie Eubanks
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:24 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Static port

Hello All

I have read everything in the archives about the location of the
static port

on the Rebel. The only thing everybody seams to agree on is to vent it
inside the cabin. I am not to sure how well that would go over with
the
people who will do the initial and subsequent bi-annual inspection
for my
mode "C" transponder? What if I plumbed all the flight instruments
and the
encoder together and ran the static line outside and a couple of
feet up in
to the left side lift strut with a vented plug in the end? I know of a
couple aircraft that do just that. Would that make a difference?
Anybody
tried that?

Charlie E. 802R






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