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Your point is (and was) well taken, Ralph. Lots of calm time getting in and
adjusted... seat, belt, headset, etc. Advance warning of the runnup shake
rattle & roll, advising when engine RPM was about to decrease, etc. She was
most apprehensive about high bank angles. I tried to analogize bank angle to
a sailboat heeling over going to windward. That wouldn't work with most, but
she's an excellent, experienced ocean sailor so that helped a bit, and she
got into the chart, compass and navigation. Still, I never banked over 10
deg. No matter, it's good practice to "fly gentle" now and then.

As for your last point, how long should I wait before mentioning her comfy
Zulu ANR headset was purchased at the NW Aviation Show just the day before?
;-)

Ron
254R


On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Ralph Baker <rebaker@sc.rr.com> wrote:

Ron,
Nice to read your account of flying with a (previously) anxious passenger.
Among my other bad habits I am a motorcyclist. Occasionally it falls to me
to take someone for a first ride. At that time my riding style reverts to
very easy and "slow" from more aggressive. After all, the object is to
provide a pleasureable experience that will attract the newby to our
activity. As experienced plots (or riders) what is ho-hum for us - think
full pedal forward slip - is terrifying for a new passenger. Much
explanation and gentle flying opens the door to bringing another pro flying
individual to our group.

I am sure you did all the eright things and this is meant only as a
reminder to us all, me included, as the best way to approach flying with a
new or anxious passenger. It is most pleasant when your spouse participates
as well and it makes that new GPS an easier sell.
Ralph Baker

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Ron
sorry to hi-jack your thread,
But how do you like your Zulu's?

Kevin Brennan

--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com> wrote:


From: Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Anxious passengers
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 12:04 PM


Your point is (and was) well taken, Ralph. Lots of calm time getting in and
adjusted... seat, belt, headset, etc. Advance warning of the runnup shake
rattle & roll, advising when engine RPM was about to decrease, etc. She was
most apprehensive about high bank angles. I tried to analogize bank angle to
a sailboat heeling over going to windward. That wouldn't work with most, but
she's an excellent, experienced ocean sailor so that helped a bit, and she
got into the chart, compass and navigation. Still, I never banked over 10
deg. No matter, it's good practice to "fly gentle" now and then.

As for your last point, how long should I wait before mentioning her comfy
Zulu ANR headset was purchased at the NW Aviation Show just the day before?
;-)

Ron
254R


On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Ralph Baker <rebaker@sc.rr.com> wrote:

[quote]Ron,
Nice to read your account of flying with a (previously) anxious passenger.

Ron,
Are you the fellow builder I spoke with at the Pacific Coast Avionics booth?
Randy 320R

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From: "Kevin Brennan" <brennankevinj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:17 AM
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Anxious passengers

Ron
sorry to hi-jack your thread,
But how do you like your Zulu's?

Kevin Brennan

--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com> wrote:


From: Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Anxious passengers
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 12:04 PM


Your point is (and was) well taken, Ralph. Lots of calm time getting in
and
adjusted... seat, belt, headset, etc. Advance warning of the runnup shake
rattle & roll, advising when engine RPM was about to decrease, etc. She
was
most apprehensive about high bank angles. I tried to analogize bank angle
to
a sailboat heeling over going to windward. That wouldn't work with most,
but
she's an excellent, experienced ocean sailor so that helped a bit, and she
got into the chart, compass and navigation. Still, I never banked over 10
deg. No matter, it's good practice to "fly gentle" now and then.

As for your last point, how long should I wait before mentioning her comfy
Zulu ANR headset was purchased at the NW Aviation Show just the day
before?
;-)

Ron
254R


On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Ralph Baker <rebaker@sc.rr.com> wrote:

Ron,
Nice to read your account of flying with a (previously) anxious
passenger.
Among my other bad habits I am a motorcyclist. Occasionally it falls to
me
to take someone for a first ride. At that time my riding style reverts
to
very easy and "slow" from more aggressive. After all, the object is to
provide a pleasureable experience that will attract the newby to our
activity. As experienced plots (or riders) what is ho-hum for us - think
full pedal forward slip - is terrifying for a new passenger. Much
explanation and gentle flying opens the door to bringing another pro
flying
individual to our group.

I am sure you did all the eright things and this is meant only as a
reminder to us all, me included, as the best way to approach flying with
a
new or anxious passenger. It is most pleasant when your spouse
participates
as well and it makes that new GPS an easier sell.
Ralph Baker

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Before she experiences a bumpy flight or it becomes routine.
She will appreciated it more on long flights but they are best avoided
for awhile. Cost discussions can get sticky so they must always be
avoided but a successful builder already knows that.
A smooth evening dusk flight home after dinner is particularly soothing.

"I wanted you to try this special headset. Supposed to be the most
comfortable one in the world." Avoid mentioning that she is worth it, or
deserves the best, as that is an opening for the dreaded cost discussion.

Tactics change if you already bought two of them ;(
In that case you may have to take her to the vendor and enlist his
professional sales assistance. Avoid a female sales person though.

Or there is always hardball. Give her the most uncomfortable painful
headset you can find until she mentions it first. If that doesn't bring
quick results, get a friend to mention their new amazing headset.

Did I tell you about the 406mhz PLB that my wife got for Christmas?
So she never has to worry. Or worst case can collect any life insurance
quickly.... OK risky - but one has to show due consideration ;)

Actually the $300. McMurdo Fast find PLB with gps is worth a look for
anyone in the market. Puts out a very quick position and travels in my
shirt pocket so it is with me when I exit the wreckage. There is some
extensive third party test results on the web. Did I mention it can also
be used for hiking Ron? - must be considerate eh?

Ken

Ron Shannon wrote:

Your point is (and was) well taken, Ralph. Lots of calm time getting in and
adjusted... seat, belt, headset, etc. Advance warning of the runnup shake
rattle & roll, advising when engine RPM was about to decrease, etc. She was
most apprehensive about high bank angles. I tried to analogize bank angle to
a sailboat heeling over going to windward. That wouldn't work with most, but
she's an excellent, experienced ocean sailor so that helped a bit, and she
got into the chart, compass and navigation. Still, I never banked over 10
deg. No matter, it's good practice to "fly gentle" now and then.

As for your last point, how long should I wait before mentioning her comfy
Zulu ANR headset was purchased at the NW Aviation Show just the day before?
;-)

Ron
254R

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I haven't used a Zulul in flight yet myself -- first headset is a Bose I've
used quite happily for 4 years -- but I've talked to at least1 5-6 owners,
ALL of whom have been enthusiastically positive about it, favoring it over
the Bose.

Ron



On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Kevin Brennan <brennankevinj@yahoo.com>wrote:

Ron
sorry to hi-jack your thread,
But how do you like your Zulu's?

Kevin Brennan

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I was there briefly to snag the Zulu but don't recall meeting you, Randy,
which could be a bummer, because I like to connect with Rebel builders
anywhere, anytime, of course. Worse yet, there are even odds I've already
spaced it out! So if the person you talked to looked sort of like the goofy
guy at http://n254mr.com/node/801 -- please let me know [off list direct
please so as not to further embarrass the aforementioned, obviously already
decrepit guy] and I'll have to face the fact my memory is a lot worse than
I already know.

Ron


On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:47 AM, <tci@skynetbb.com> wrote:

Ron,
Are you the fellow builder I spoke with at the Pacific Coast Avionics
booth?
Randy 320R

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ROTFL! Clearly, yours is the voice of great experience and wisdom. Great
advice everyone will want to keep handy. Proof again that on this list,
builders learn a _lot_ more than riveting technique.

Ron



On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Ken <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:

Before she experiences a bumpy flight or it becomes routine.
She will appreciated it more on long flights but they are best avoided
for awhile. Cost discussions can get sticky so they must always be
avoided but a successful builder already knows that.
A smooth evening dusk flight home after dinner is particularly soothing.

"I wanted you to try this special headset. Supposed to be the most
comfortable one in the world." Avoid mentioning that she is worth it, or
deserves the best, as that is an opening for the dreaded cost discussion.

Tactics change if you already bought two of them ;(
In that case you may have to take her to the vendor and enlist his
professional sales assistance. Avoid a female sales person though.

Or there is always hardball. Give her the most uncomfortable painful
headset you can find until she mentions it first. If that doesn't bring
quick results, get a friend to mention their new amazing headset.

Did I tell you about the 406mhz PLB that my wife got for Christmas?
So she never has to worry. Or worst case can collect any life insurance
quickly.... OK risky - but one has to show due consideration ;)

Actually the $300. McMurdo Fast find PLB with gps is worth a look for
anyone in the market. Puts out a very quick position and travels in my
shirt pocket so it is with me when I exit the wreckage. There is some
extensive third party test results on the web. Did I mention it can also
be used for hiking Ron? - must be considerate eh?

Ken

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Great lessons, learn we do.

Next time I see Ken, I will simply address him as Obi Won!




Just to add my .02 (American or Canadian) yesterday my better half and I
put 2.8 hours on the Beechcraft.

I have many friends with wives / significant others who tolerate their
addiction to flight.

Those of us with better halves that actively support and participate in our
hobby must count ourselves doubly fortunate. (And I was never asked how
much her David Clark ANR headsets cost. They are her set and she enjoys them
whenever she flies! Not to mention that my set was a birthday present from
guess who!)

Treat your right seater well and they WILL return the favour!

Norm






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