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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

That's a great look, Eric. A new perspective for sure. The little rubber
doughnit looks huge in that video! BTW, if that's what it looks like during
winter where you are, why even bother removing the floats? :)

Original Message:
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From: elist elist@whidbey.com
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:48:24 -0800
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

Over the years there have been discussions about the pros and cons of the
Murphy tailwheel vs other offerings like Scott and Matco. I've been curious
what is going back there with my Murphy tailwheel.

So, I pointed my cheap Flip video camera backwards to watch it during the
torture test of grass, pavement, high speed taxi, takeoff and landing.
There is never a wiggle or a waggle and definitely never a shimmey. Check
out the YouTube video for proof and some chuckles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7S9kRu2JMQ

I was not flying for this video. My friend was doing all the flying. He has
never flown a Murphy before, but is an excellent pilot as you can see in
the video. After watching the video, I've decided not to let him ever fly
the plane again. In fact, I hate him.

Eric
N645E

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Great view, What tail spring are you using

Thanks

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From: <snowyrvr@mtaonline.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:32 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

That's a great look, Eric. A new perspective for sure. The little rubber
doughnit looks huge in that video! BTW, if that's what it looks like
during
winter where you are, why even bother removing the floats? :)

Original Message:
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From: elist elist@whidbey.com
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:48:24 -0800
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

Over the years there have been discussions about the pros and cons of the
Murphy tailwheel vs other offerings like Scott and Matco. I've been
curious
what is going back there with my Murphy tailwheel.

So, I pointed my cheap Flip video camera backwards to watch it during the
torture test of grass, pavement, high speed taxi, takeoff and landing.
There is never a wiggle or a waggle and definitely never a shimmey. Check
out the YouTube video for proof and some chuckles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7S9kRu2JMQ

I was not flying for this video. My friend was doing all the flying. He
has
never flown a Murphy before, but is an excellent pilot as you can see in
the video. After watching the video, I've decided not to let him ever fly
the plane again. In fact, I hate him.

Eric
N645E

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Eric

Enjoyed your video. Have to admit I now have a higher opinion of the Murphy
tail wheel then before. Hard to judge size in the video, do you know if the
Elite use the same tail wheel and tail spring as the Rebel?

Thanks for the help.

Charlie E. 802R

----- Original Message -----
From: "elist" <elist@whidbey.com>
To: "Rebel-Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:48 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

Over the years there have been discussions about the pros and cons of the
Murphy tailwheel vs other offerings like Scott and Matco. I've been
curious what is going back there with my Murphy tailwheel.

So, I pointed my cheap Flip video camera backwards to watch it during the
torture test of grass, pavement, high speed taxi, takeoff and landing.
There is never a wiggle or a waggle and definitely never a shimmey. Check
out the YouTube video for proof and some chuckles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7S9kRu2JMQ

I was not flying for this video. My friend was doing all the flying. He
has never flown a Murphy before, but is an excellent pilot as you can see
in the video. After watching the video, I've decided not to let him ever
fly the plane again. In fact, I hate him.

Eric
N645E

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Charlie,

The Rebel uses the same tail wheel as the Elite, but the Elite does have the
option to upgrade the wheel to a larger size. The tail spring is different
between the two a/c, Rebel uses a leaf type spring and the Elite uses a
stinger (tube) type spring.

Cheers,
Jeff

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Charlie Eubanks <charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:

Eric

Enjoyed your video. Have to admit I now have a higher opinion of the Murphy
tail wheel then before. Hard to judge size in the video, do you know if the
Elite use the same tail wheel and tail spring as the Rebel?

Thanks for the help.

Charlie E. 802R

----- Original Message -----
From: "elist" <elist@whidbey.com>
To: "Rebel-Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:48 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

Over the years there have been discussions about the pros and cons of the
Murphy tailwheel vs other offerings like Scott and Matco. I've been
curious what is going back there with my Murphy tailwheel.

So, I pointed my cheap Flip video camera backwards to watch it during the
torture test of grass, pavement, high speed taxi, takeoff and landing.
There is never a wiggle or a waggle and definitely never a shimmey. Check
out the YouTube video for proof and some chuckles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7S9kRu2JMQ

I was not flying for this video. My friend was doing all the flying. He
has never flown a Murphy before, but is an excellent pilot as you can see
in the video. After watching the video, I've decided not to let him ever
fly the plane again. In fact, I hate him.

Eric
N645E

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Great video ! I am have the Murphy tailwheel on my bird, but I have a new
Matco wheel to try, but the Murphy wheel has two mounting bolts and the
matco only has one. Has any one tried drilling the spring ? or would it be
easyer to change the spring ( and the mounting block since most of the
springs are not as wide )

Thanks
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>gs
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

Great view, What tail spring are you using

Thanks

----- Original Message -----
From: <snowyrvr@mtaonline.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:32 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

That's a great look, Eric. A new perspective for sure. The little
rubber
doughnit looks huge in that video! BTW, if that's what it looks like
during
winter where you are, why even bother removing the floats? :)

Original Message:
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From: elist elist@whidbey.com
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:48:24 -0800
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

Over the years there have been discussions about the pros and cons of the
Murphy tailwheel vs other offerings like Scott and Matco. I've been
curious
what is going back there with my Murphy tailwheel.

So, I pointed my cheap Flip video camera backwards to watch it during the
torture test of grass, pavement, high speed taxi, takeoff and landing.
There is never a wiggle or a waggle and definitely never a shimmey. Check
out the YouTube video for proof and some chuckles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7S9kRu2JMQ

I was not flying for this video. My friend was doing all the flying. He
has
never flown a Murphy before, but is an excellent pilot as you can see in
the video. After watching the video, I've decided not to let him ever fly
the plane again. In fact, I hate him.

Eric
N645E

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Nice work, I wish I could find as good of a solution for the SR3500...

We should hook up sometime, Im just over the channel at Paine. I knew right
away that this was Whidbey Airpark; and I've seen the rebel there before on
amphibs...I come in there in the John Deere SuperCub often.

Look me up, would love to BS for a minute.

Kyle
019SR

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Kevin & Nancy Mayville
<knmay@sympatico.ca>wrote:

Great video ! I am have the Murphy tailwheel on my bird, but I have a new
Matco wheel to try, but the Murphy wheel has two mounting bolts and the
matco only has one. Has any one tried drilling the spring ? or would it be
easyer to change the spring ( and the mounting block since most of the
springs are not as wide )

Thanks
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty & Patti" <aero30@coosahs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>gs
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

Great view, What tail spring are you using

Thanks

----- Original Message -----
From: <snowyrvr@mtaonline.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:32 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

That's a great look, Eric. A new perspective for sure. The little
rubber
doughnit looks huge in that video! BTW, if that's what it looks like
during
winter where you are, why even bother removing the floats? :)

Original Message:
-----------------
From: elist elist@whidbey.com
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:48:24 -0800
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

Over the years there have been discussions about the pros and cons of
the
Murphy tailwheel vs other offerings like Scott and Matco. I've been
curious
what is going back there with my Murphy tailwheel.

So, I pointed my cheap Flip video camera backwards to watch it during
the
torture test of grass, pavement, high speed taxi, takeoff and landing.
There is never a wiggle or a waggle and definitely never a shimmey.
Check
out the YouTube video for proof and some chuckles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7S9kRu2JMQ

I was not flying for this video. My friend was doing all the flying. He
has
never flown a Murphy before, but is an excellent pilot as you can see in
the video. After watching the video, I've decided not to let him ever
fly
the plane again. In fact, I hate him.

Eric
N645E

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Jeff
Thanks for the info on the Rebel tail wheel. Will the larger tail wheel fit
in the Rebel's fork?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Micheal" <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

Charlie,

The Rebel uses the same tail wheel as the Elite, but the Elite does have
the
option to upgrade the wheel to a larger size. The tail spring is
different
between the two a/c, Rebel uses a leaf type spring and the Elite uses a
stinger (tube) type spring.

Cheers,
Jeff

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Charlie Eubanks
<charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:

Eric

Enjoyed your video. Have to admit I now have a higher opinion of the
Murphy
tail wheel then before. Hard to judge size in the video, do you know if
the
Elite use the same tail wheel and tail spring as the Rebel?

Thanks for the help.

Charlie E. 802R

----- Original Message -----
From: "elist" <elist@whidbey.com>
To: "Rebel-Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:48 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

Over the years there have been discussions about the pros and cons of
the
Murphy tailwheel vs other offerings like Scott and Matco. I've been
curious what is going back there with my Murphy tailwheel.

So, I pointed my cheap Flip video camera backwards to watch it during
the
torture test of grass, pavement, high speed taxi, takeoff and landing.
There is never a wiggle or a waggle and definitely never a shimmey.
Check
out the YouTube video for proof and some chuckles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7S9kRu2JMQ

I was not flying for this video. My friend was doing all the flying. He
has never flown a Murphy before, but is an excellent pilot as you can
see
in the video. After watching the video, I've decided not to let him
ever
fly the plane again. In fact, I hate him.

Eric
N645E

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Sorry Charlie, no joy on that one.

The Elite changes the fork as well when upgrading to the larger tailwheel.
I remember there being one Rebel that had a "special" fork made by MAM in
order to accept a larger tailwheel, but that part wasn't put into
production; of coarse things could change if there was multiple requests for
the larger Rebel "fork" giving an option for larger tailwheel.

Cheers,
Jeff

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:54 AM, Charlie Eubanks <charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:

Jeff
Thanks for the info on the Rebel tail wheel. Will the larger tail wheel fit
in the Rebel's fork?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Micheal" <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

Charlie,

The Rebel uses the same tail wheel as the Elite, but the Elite does have
the
option to upgrade the wheel to a larger size. The tail spring is
different
between the two a/c, Rebel uses a leaf type spring and the Elite uses a
stinger (tube) type spring.

Cheers,
Jeff

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Charlie Eubanks
<charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:

Eric

Enjoyed your video. Have to admit I now have a higher opinion of the
Murphy
tail wheel then before. Hard to judge size in the video, do you know if
the
Elite use the same tail wheel and tail spring as the Rebel?

Thanks for the help.

Charlie E. 802R

----- Original Message -----
From: "elist" <elist@whidbey.com>
To: "Rebel-Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:48 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

He

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Jeff,

Perhaps you've told us this before, but what's the tailwheel setup
(spring/fork/wheel) on your Rebel?

Rob

On 2/17/2010 6:02 AM, westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com wrote to rebel-
builders:

-> Sorry Charlie, no joy on that one.
->
-> The Elite changes the fork as well when upgrading to the larger tailwheel.
-> I remember there being one Rebel that had a "special" fork made by MAM in
-> order to accept a larger tailwheel, but that part wasn't put into
-> production; of coarse things could change if there was multiple requests
for
-> the larger Rebel "fork" giving an option for larger tailwheel.
->
-> Cheers,
-> Jeff
->
->
-> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:54 AM, Charlie Eubanks
<charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:
->
-> > Jeff
-> > Thanks for the info on the Rebel tail wheel. Will the larger tail wheel fit
-> > in the Rebel's fork?
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: "Jeff Micheal" <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
-> > To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:25 PM
-> > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study
-> >
-> >
-> > > Charlie,
-> > >
-> > > The Rebel uses the same tail wheel as the Elite, but the Elite does
have
-> > > the
-> > > option to upgrade the wheel to a larger size. The tail spring is
-> > > different
-> > > between the two a/c, Rebel uses a leaf type spring and the Elite uses
a
-> > > stinger (tube) type spring.
-> > >
-> > > Cheers,
-> > > Jeff
-> > >
-> > >
-> > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Charlie Eubanks
-> > > <charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:
-> > >
-> > >> Eric
-> > >>
-> > >> Enjoyed your video. Have to admit I now have a higher opinion of the
-> > >> Murphy
-> > >> tail wheel then before. Hard to judge size in the video, do you know if
-> > >> the
-> > >> Elite use the same tail wheel and tail spring as the Rebel?
-> > >>
-> > >> Thanks for the help.
-> > >>
-> > >> Charlie E. 802R
-> > >>
-> > >> ----- Original Message -----
-> > >> From: "elist" <elist@whidbey.com>
-> > >> To: "Rebel-Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:48 PM
-> > >> Subject: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study
-> > >>
-> > >>
-> > >> > Over the years there have been discussions about the pros and
cons of
-> > >> > the
-> > >> > Murphy tailwheel vs other offerings like Scott and Matco. I've been
-> > >> > curious what is going back there with my Murphy tailwheel.
-> > >> >
-> > >> > So, I pointed my cheap Flip video camera backwards to watch it
during
-> > >> > the
-> > >> > torture test of grass, pavement, high speed taxi, takeoff and
landing.
-> > >> > There is never a wiggle or a waggle and definitely never a shimmey.
-> > >> > Check
-> > >> > out the YouTube video for proof and some chuckles.
-> > >> >
-> > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7S9kRu2JMQ
-> > >> >
-> > >> > I was not flying for this video. My friend was doing all the flying.
-> > He
-> > >> > has never flown a Murphy before, but is an excellent pilot as you
can
-> > >> > see
-> > >> > in the video. After watching the video, I've decided not to let him
-> > >> > ever
-> > >> > fly the plane again. In fact, I hate him.
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Eric
-> > >> > N645E
-> > >> >
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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Rob,

Rebel was built MAM Stock, made no modifications to the aluminum leaf style
spring and the fork/wheel combination is MAM Stock as well.

Noting, you can trim down the MAM Stock spring (or slab of aluminum as some
call it) to give some flex and lose some weight too.

Cheers,
Jeff

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:24 AM, <schaumr@dcsol.com> wrote:

Jeff,

Perhaps you've told us this before, but what's the tailwheel setup
(spring/fork/wheel) on your Rebel?

Rob

On 2/17/2010 6:02 AM, westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com wrote to rebel-
builders:

-> Sorry Charlie, no joy on that one.
->
-> The Elite changes the fork as well when upgrading to the larger
tailwheel.
-> I remember there being one Rebel that had a "special" fork made by MAM
in
-> order to accept a larger tailwheel, but that part wasn't put into
-> production; of coarse things could change if there was multiple requests
for
-> the larger Rebel "fork" giving an option for larger tailwheel.
->
-> Cheers,
-> Jeff
->
->
-> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:54 AM, Charlie Eubanks
<charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:
->
-> > Jeff
-> > Thanks for the info on the Rebel tail wheel. Will the larger tail
wheel fit
-> > in the Rebel's fork?
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: "Jeff Micheal" <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
-> > To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:25 PM
-> > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study
-> >
-> >
-> > > Charlie,
-> > >
-> > > The Rebel uses the same tail wheel as the Elite, but the Elite does
have
-> > > the
-> > > option to upgrade the wheel to a larger size. The tail spring is
-> > > different
-> > > between the two a/c, Rebel uses a leaf type spring and the Elite
uses
a
-> > > stinger (tube) type spring.
-> > >
-> > > Cheers,
-> > > Jeff
-> > >
-> > >
-> > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Charlie Eubanks
-> > > <charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:
-> > >
-> > >> Eric
-> > >>
-> > >> Enjoyed your video. Have to admit I now have a higher opinion of
the
-> > >> Murphy
-> > >> tail wheel then before. Hard to judge size in the video, do you
know if
-> > >> the
-> > >> Elite use the same tail wheel and tail spring as the Rebel?
-> > >>
-> > >> Thanks for the help.
-> > >>
-> > >> Charlie E. 802R
-> > >>
-> > >> ----- Original Message -----
-> > >> From: "elist" <elist@whidbey.com>
-> > >> To: "Rebel-Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:48 PM
-> > >> Subject: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study
-> > >>
-> > >>
-> > >> > Over the years there have been discussions about the pros and
cons of
-> > >> > the
-> > >> > Murphy tailwheel vs other offerings like Scott and Matco. I've
been
-> > >> > curious what is going back there with my Murphy tailwheel.
-> > >> >
-> > >> > So, I pointed my cheap Flip video camera backwards to watch it
during
-> > >> > the
-> > >> > torture test of grass, pavement, high speed taxi, takeoff and
landing.
-> > >> > There is never a wiggle or a waggle and definitely never a
shimmey.
-> > >> > Check
-> > >> > out the YouTube video for proof and some chuckles.
-> > >> >
-> > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7S9kRu2JMQ
-> > >> >
-> > >> > I was not flying for this video. My friend was doing all the
flying.
-> > He
-> > >> > has never flown a Murphy before, but is an excellent pilot as you
can
-> > >> > see
-> > >> > in the video. After watching the video, I've decided not to let
him
-> > >> > ever
-> > >> > fly the plane again. In fact, I hate him.
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Eric
-> > >> > N645E
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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Hi Jeff,
Is the larger fork for thÃ© Elite and the larger tailwheel still
available ?
Regards
Philippe. 746E
EnvoyÃ© de mon iPhone

Le 17 fÃ©vr. 2010 Ã 16:02, Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
a Ã©crit :

Sorry Charlie, no joy on that one.

The Elite changes the fork as well when upgrading to the larger
tailwheel.
I remember there being one Rebel that had a "special" fork made by
MAM in
order to accept a larger tailwheel, but that part wasn't put into
production; of coarse things could change if there was multiple
requests for
the larger Rebel "fork" giving an option for larger tailwheel.

Cheers,
Jeff

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:54 AM, Charlie Eubanks <charlie@troyairpark.com
wrote:

Jeff
Thanks for the info on the Rebel tail wheel. Will the larger tail
wheel fit
in the Rebel's fork?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Micheal" <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study

Charlie,

The Rebel uses the same tail wheel as the Elite, but the Elite
does have
the
option to upgrade the wheel to a larger size. The tail spring is
different
between the two a/c, Rebel uses a leaf type spring and the Elite
uses a
stinger (tube) type spring.

Cheers,
Jeff

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Charlie Eubanks
<charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:

He

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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Jeff,
Thanks much for the info. Bob Patterson provided some trim-down
dimentions in his post dated Jan 22 2008:

"...you might want to mill or grind it to taper from full thickness at the top
mounting, to about 1/2 thickness at the tailwheel, to give a bit more flex."

Does this sound about right to you? I assume the taper would have to end
before the tailwheel contact area so there is uniform thickness near the bolt
hole?

Has anyone on this list actually had experience with this set-up (positive or
negative)? It would be great to hear a first-hand account.

Cheers,
Rob
Rebel 786

On 2/17/2010 8:10 AM, westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com wrote to rebel-
builders:

-> Rob,
->
-> Rebel was built MAM Stock, made no modifications to the aluminum leaf
style
-> spring and the fork/wheel combination is MAM Stock as well.
->
-> Noting, you can trim down the MAM Stock spring (or slab of aluminum as
some
-> call it) to give some flex and lose some weight too.
->
-> Cheers,
-> Jeff
->
->
->
-> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:24 AM, <schaumr@dcsol.com> wrote:
->
-> > Jeff,
-> >
-> > Perhaps you've told us this before, but what's the tailwheel setup
-> > (spring/fork/wheel) on your Rebel?
-> >
-> > Rob
-> >
-> >
-> > On 2/17/2010 6:02 AM, westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com wrote to rebel-
-> > builders:
-> >
-> > -> Sorry Charlie, no joy on that one.
-> > ->
-> > -> The Elite changes the fork as well when upgrading to the larger
-> > tailwheel.
-> > -> I remember there being one Rebel that had a "special" fork made by
MAM
-> > in
-> > -> order to accept a larger tailwheel, but that part wasn't put into
-> > -> production; of coarse things could change if there was multiple
requests
-> > for
-> > -> the larger Rebel "fork" giving an option for larger tailwheel.
-> > ->
-> > -> Cheers,
-> > -> Jeff
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:54 AM, Charlie Eubanks
-> > <charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:
-> > ->
-> > -> > Jeff
-> > -> > Thanks for the info on the Rebel tail wheel. Will the larger tail
-> > wheel fit
-> > -> > in the Rebel's fork?
-> > -> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > -> > From: "Jeff Micheal" <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
-> > -> > To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > -> > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:25 PM
-> > -> > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study
-> > -> >
-> > -> >
-> > -> > > Charlie,
-> > -> > >
-> > -> > > The Rebel uses the same tail wheel as the Elite, but the Elite
does
-> > have
-> > -> > > the
-> > -> > > option to upgrade the wheel to a larger size. The tail spring is
-> > -> > > different
-> > -> > > between the two a/c, Rebel uses a leaf type spring and the Elite
-> > uses
-> > a
-> > -> > > stinger (tube) type spring.
-> > -> > >
-> > -> > > Cheers,
-> > -> > > Jeff
-> > -> > >
-> > -> > >
-> > -> > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Charlie Eubanks
-> > -> > > <charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:
-> > -> > >
-> > -> > >> Eric
-> > -> > >>
-> > -> > >> Enjoyed your video. Have to admit I now have a higher opinion
of
-> > the
-> > -> > >> Murphy
-> > -> > >> tail wheel then before. Hard to judge size in the video, do you
-> > know if
-> > -> > >> the
-> > -> > >> Elite use the same tail wheel and tail spring as the Rebel?
-> > -> > >>
-> > -> > >> Thanks for the help.
-> > -> > >>
-> > -> > >> Charlie E. 802R
-> > -> > >>
-> > -> > >> ----- Original Message -----
-> > -> > >> From: "elist" <elist@whidbey.com>
-> > -> > >> To: "Rebel-Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > -> > >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:48 PM
-> > -> > >> Subject: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study
-> > -> > >>
-> > -> > >>
-> > -> > >> > Over the years there have been discussions about the pros
and
-> > cons of
-> > -> > >> > the
-> > -> > >> > Murphy tailwheel vs other offerings like Scott and Matco. I've
-> > been
-> > -> > >> > curious what is going back there with my Murphy tailwheel.
-> > -> > >> >
-> > -> > >> > So, I pointed my cheap Flip video camera backwards to
watch it
-> > during
-> > -> > >> > the
-> > -> > >> > torture test of grass, pavement, high speed taxi, takeoff and
-> > landing.
-> > -> > >> > There is never a wiggle or a waggle and definitely never a
-> > shimmey.
-> > -> > >> > Check
-> > -> > >> > out the YouTube video for proof and some chuckles.
-> > -> > >> >
-> > -> > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7S9kRu2JMQ
-> > -> > >> >
-> > -> > >> > I was not flying for this video. My friend was doing all the
-> > flying.
-> > -> > He
-> > -> > >> > has never flown a Murphy before, but is an excellent pilot as
you
-> > can
-> > -> > >> > see
-> > -> > >> > in the video. After watching the video, I've decided not to let
-> > him
-> > -> > >> > ever
-> > -> > >> > fly the plane again. In fact, I hate him.
-> > -> > >> >
-> > -> > >> > Eric
-> > -> > >> > N645E
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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Philippe,

You would have to contact MAM directly shipping@murphyair.com with regards
to availability.

Cheers,
Jeff

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Philippe Berjaud <philiberj@orange.fr>wrote:

[quote]Hi Jeff,
Is the larger fork for th

Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

Rob,

I do recall a couple of a/c's trimming down the aluminum spring and without
looking (finding) my notes I don't know the measurements. I do know, if you
trim too thin, you may acquire some stress cracks.

Cheers,
Jeff

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:34 AM, <schaumr@dcsol.com> wrote:

Jeff,
Thanks much for the info. Bob Patterson provided some trim-down
dimentions in his post dated Jan 22 2008:

"...you might want to mill or grind it to taper from full thickness at the
top
mounting, to about 1/2 thickness at the tailwheel, to give a bit more
flex."

Does this sound about right to you? I assume the taper would have to end
before the tailwheel contact area so there is uniform thickness near the
bolt
hole?

Has anyone on this list actually had experience with this set-up (positive
or
negative)? It would be great to hear a first-hand account.

Cheers,
Rob
Rebel 786

On 2/17/2010 8:10 AM, westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com wrote to rebel-
builders:

-> Rob,
->
-> Rebel was built MAM Stock, made no modifications to the aluminum leaf
style
-> spring and the fork/wheel combination is MAM Stock as well.
->
-> Noting, you can trim down the MAM Stock spring (or slab of aluminum as
some
-> call it) to give some flex and lose some weight too.
->
-> Cheers,
-> Jeff
->
->
->
-> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:24 AM, <schaumr@dcsol.com> wrote:
->
-> > Jeff,
-> >
-> > Perhaps you've told us this before, but what's the tailwheel setup
-> > (spring/fork/wheel) on your Rebel?
-> >
-> > Rob
-> >
-> >
-> > On 2/17/2010 6:02 AM, westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com wrote to rebel-
-> > builders:
-> >
-> > -> Sorry Charlie, no joy on that one.
-> > ->
-> > -> The Elite changes the fork as well when upgrading to the larger
-> > tailwheel.
-> > -> I remember there being one Rebel that had a "special" fork made by
MAM
-> > in
-> > -> order to accept a larger tailwheel, but that part wasn't put into
-> > -> production; of coarse things could change if there was multiple
requests
-> > for
-> > -> the larger Rebel "fork" giving an option for larger tailwheel.
-> > ->
-> > -> Cheers,
-> > -> Jeff
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:54 AM, Charlie Eubanks
-> > <charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:
-> > ->
-> > -> > Jeff
-> > -> > Thanks for the info on the Rebel tail wheel. Will the larger tail
-> > wheel fit
-> > -> > in the Rebel's fork?
-> > -> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > -> > From: "Jeff Micheal" <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
-> > -> > To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > -> > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:25 PM
-> > -> > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study
-> > -> >
-> > -> >
-> > -> > > Charlie,
-> > -> > >
-> > -> > > The Rebel uses the same tail wheel as the Elite, but the Elite
does
-> > have
-> > -> > > the
-> > -> > > option to upgrade the wheel to a larger size. The tail spring
is
-> > -> > > different
-> > -> > > between the two a/c, Rebel uses a leaf type spring and the
Elite
-> > uses
-> > a
-> > -> > > stinger (tube) type spring.
-> > -> > >
-> > -> > > Cheers,
-> > -> > > Jeff
-> > -> > >
-> > -> > >
-> > -> > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Charlie Eubanks
-> > -> > > <charlie@troyairpark.com>wrote:
-> > -> > >
-> > -> > >> Eric
-> > -> > >>
-> > -> > >> Enjoyed your video. Have to admit I now have a higher opinion
of
-> > the
-> > -> > >> Murphy
-> > -> > >> tail wheel then before. Hard to judge size in the video, do
you
-> > know if
-> > -> > >> the
-> > -> > >> Elite use the same tail wheel and tail spring as the Rebel?
-> > -> > >>
-> > -> > >> Thanks for the help.
-> > -> > >>
-> > -> > >> Charlie E. 802R
-> > -> > >>
-> > -> > >> ----- Original Message -----
-> > -> > >> From: "elist" <elist@whidbey.com>
-> > -> > >> To: "Rebel-Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > -> > >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:48 PM
-> > -> > >> Subject: [rebel-builders] Tailwheel Study
-> > -> > >>
-> > -> > >>
-> > -> > >> > Over the years there have been discussions about the pros
and
-> > cons of
-> > -> > >> > the
-> > -> > >> > Murphy tailwheel vs other offerings like Scott and Matco.
I've
-> > been
-> > -> > >> > curious what is going back there with my Murphy tailwheel.
-> > -> > >> >
-> > -> > >> > So, I pointed my cheap Flip video camera backwards to
watch it
-> > during
-> > -> > >> > the
-> > -> > >> > torture test of grass, pavement, high speed taxi, takeoff
and
-> > landing.
-> > -> > >> > There is never a wiggle or a waggle and definitely never a
-> > shimmey.
-> > -> > >> > Check
-> > -> > >> > out the YouTube video for proof and some chuckles.
-> > -> > >> >
-> > -> > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7S9kRu2JMQ
-> > -> > >> >
-> > -> > >> > I was not flying for this video. My friend was doing all the
-> > flying.
-> > -> > He
-> > -> > >> > has never flown a Murphy before, but is an excellent pilot
as
you
-> > can
-> > -> > >> > see
-> > -> > >> > in the video. After watching the video, I've decided not to
let
-> > him
-> > -> > >> > ever
-> > -> > >> > fly the plane again. In fact, I hate him.
-> > -> > >> >
-> > -> > >> > Eric
-> > -> > >> > N645E
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Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:03 pm**

G'day

I had the standard MAM wheel on my Rebel and it gave lots of trouble, despite my
regular maintenance on it. It broke the puny roll pin in the mechanism when I
was landing and of course I got a spectacular ground loop.

I threw the wheel and the spring into the trash can and replaced the MAM
"spring" with just a single leaf car type spring, and the MAM wheel with a
Scott.

The difference in ground handling was immediately noticeable and I recommend
this as a good modification.

Regards

Ian

Has anyone on this list actually had experience with this set-up (positive
or negative)? It would be great to hear a first-hand account.

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