[rebel-builders] RE: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Brebel=2Dbuilders=5D_He
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:46 pm
Walter....I now also use the JPI as a primary instrument to tell me how my engine is running. Was jumping the 70
miles across Lake Michigan enroute to Oshkosh when I got some "over water roughness" that showed an
immediate change in fuel consumption and an increase in EGT.....right over to the peg! You guessed it...I was building
ice in the clag. Was only able to see the water directly below occasionally so decided to descend. As soon as I pulled on the carb heat, everything returned to normal. It was then that I figured out exactly what had occurred and since then, when in conditions of potential carb
ice, I always watch the JPI and EGT. My AME Buddy tells me that I probably had fuel burning in the exhaust! Interesting how we live and learn!
Bob Cressman 331R
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 6:14 pm
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Brebel=2Dbuilders=5D_He
Bob, yours sounds very similar to my old 320 performance on amphibs. I also
did 7.5 gph at 90 kts, which was my normal cruise speed with that engine on
the amphibs. And I also used my fuel monitor to find the sweet spot for
speed/rpm/leaning to get the best fuel efficiency. I have said before that a
fuel monitor pays for itself with better leaning. And now with my EI on the
360, that gives an even bigger increase in fuel efficiency, and also pays
for itself.
The Sensenich works great if you get the right pitch. Biggest mistake I see,
though, is over pitching by some. The 320 has good power if it can spin at
least 2500 rpm static (initial take-off).
Just got back from a flight today to the lake again. The weather was perfect
for this time of year, no wind, and cool temps (about 5 C). Water was glassy
on Harrison.
I still have my streak going. Since March 29, I have flown (and on water) at
least an hour every week. We have had a lot of windy, rainy days here
lately, but there was always one day of the weekend that was still good for
flying. The ski hills are now open too, so my streak will have to come to an
end for sure in the next couple weeks.
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
jbcressman@aol.com
Sent: November 14, 2009 12:45 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE:
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Brebel=2Dbuilders=5D_He
Bernard...I agree with Walter. I have a Rebel on 1800 amphibs with an 0-320
and a Sensenich 74x53 ( just had the prop shop twist a 56 to 53) I get great
off the water
performance and cruise 90 kts @ 7.8 gph or 100 kts @ 9.0 gph. Put a JPI
fuel flow in
coupled to a Garmin 496 so I know exactly how much fuel I have when in the
"bush" in
NW Quebec. I just love the Rebel, best A/C I have ever owned ( of 10). You
will
enjoy your bird, I am sure. Bob Cressman 331R
-----Original Message-----
From: WALTER KLATT <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:18 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE:
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Bernard, if it is Sensenich, get the 74 X 54 two blade metal prop. Both the
150
hp and the 160 hp 320 Lycomings perform best with this prop when on amphibs.
Do
not get the 74 X 56 inch pitch prop as there is a big loss of performance
compared to the 54 pitch. Your take-off, climb and top speeds will be better
with the 54. And there will be no loss in cruise (just slightly rpm) or fuel
efficiency.
I know this from many hours of flying side by side with other planes with
these
different props, so this is from real life experience, not theory.
Walter
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Date: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE:
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miles across Lake Michigan enroute to Oshkosh when I got some "over water roughness" that showed an
immediate change in fuel consumption and an increase in EGT.....right over to the peg! You guessed it...I was building
ice in the clag. Was only able to see the water directly below occasionally so decided to descend. As soon as I pulled on the carb heat, everything returned to normal. It was then that I figured out exactly what had occurred and since then, when in conditions of potential carb
ice, I always watch the JPI and EGT. My AME Buddy tells me that I probably had fuel burning in the exhaust! Interesting how we live and learn!
Bob Cressman 331R
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 6:14 pm
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Brebel=2Dbuilders=5D_He
Bob, yours sounds very similar to my old 320 performance on amphibs. I also
did 7.5 gph at 90 kts, which was my normal cruise speed with that engine on
the amphibs. And I also used my fuel monitor to find the sweet spot for
speed/rpm/leaning to get the best fuel efficiency. I have said before that a
fuel monitor pays for itself with better leaning. And now with my EI on the
360, that gives an even bigger increase in fuel efficiency, and also pays
for itself.
The Sensenich works great if you get the right pitch. Biggest mistake I see,
though, is over pitching by some. The 320 has good power if it can spin at
least 2500 rpm static (initial take-off).
Just got back from a flight today to the lake again. The weather was perfect
for this time of year, no wind, and cool temps (about 5 C). Water was glassy
on Harrison.
I still have my streak going. Since March 29, I have flown (and on water) at
least an hour every week. We have had a lot of windy, rainy days here
lately, but there was always one day of the weekend that was still good for
flying. The ski hills are now open too, so my streak will have to come to an
end for sure in the next couple weeks.
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
jbcressman@aol.com
Sent: November 14, 2009 12:45 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE:
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Brebel=2Dbuilders=5D_He
Bernard...I agree with Walter. I have a Rebel on 1800 amphibs with an 0-320
and a Sensenich 74x53 ( just had the prop shop twist a 56 to 53) I get great
off the water
performance and cruise 90 kts @ 7.8 gph or 100 kts @ 9.0 gph. Put a JPI
fuel flow in
coupled to a Garmin 496 so I know exactly how much fuel I have when in the
"bush" in
NW Quebec. I just love the Rebel, best A/C I have ever owned ( of 10). You
will
enjoy your bird, I am sure. Bob Cressman 331R
-----Original Message-----
From: WALTER KLATT <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:18 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE:
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Brebel=2Dbuilders=5D_He
Bernard, if it is Sensenich, get the 74 X 54 two blade metal prop. Both the
150
hp and the 160 hp 320 Lycomings perform best with this prop when on amphibs.
Do
not get the 74 X 56 inch pitch prop as there is a big loss of performance
compared to the 54 pitch. Your take-off, climb and top speeds will be better
with the 54. And there will be no loss in cruise (just slightly rpm) or fuel
efficiency.
I know this from many hours of flying side by side with other planes with
these
different props, so this is from real life experience, not theory.
Walter
----- Original Message -----
From: bernard.liagre@dcsol.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE:
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To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
thank you Jeff,
I read with pleasure what you've written, especially since it's
rather good
news.
Can you tell me what propeller should be better for an
amphibious Elite, I
think a senssenich, but for which O 320 A2B
Bernard
On 11/13/2009 10:45 AM, westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com wrote to
rebel-
builders:
-> Hi Guys,
->
-> To the best of my knowledge (which is sometime good), there
is only one
cowl
-> (fiberglass) for the Elite and Rebel. The factory
(MAM) did a change up a
-> few years back to make one cowl fit both applications.......
Elite and
-> Rebel.
->
-> Cheers,
-> Jeff
->
->
-> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:28 AM,
<bernard.liagre@dcsol.com> wrote:
->
-> > Hi Dennis
-> > thank you for your reply
-> > you confirm that there are specific caps for the Elite
-> > my engine is a 0 320
-> >
-> > Bernard
-> >
-> >
-> > On 11/13/2009 8:12 AM, croydonmac@gmail.com wrote to rebel-
builders:-> >
-> > -> Hi Bernard
-> > -> Be careful that you get the newest model of cowl for the
elite not a
-> > -> rebel cowl if you are using the O-360 thay are different
and when
-> > -> fitting made sure you make the inlet openings as large
as possible and
-> > -> make sure you have a large anofe exit area.
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> Dennis Finley
-> > ->
-> > -> Elite Amphib C-FDYF
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> 2009/11/13 <bernard.liagre@dcsol.com>:
-> > -> > Hello All,
-> > -> > I am on this list for several days, I read your
messages, and I must
-> > say
-> > that
-> > -> > from where I am, it feels good.
-> > -> > I built an Elite No 801, I am based in Biscarrosse in
France and
-> > outside a
-> > small
-> > -> > group of people, I feel very alone and far.
-> > -> > I share the same problems as many of you and I have
many
technical
-> > issues
-> > -> > and the parts you have.
-> > -> > I should not have been able to join Murphy in recent
months, and
-> > thanks
-> > to
-> > -> > you, I understood why.
-> > -> > ÿÿI have not come on this site to complain because I
can
understand the
-> > -> > difficulties faced by Murphy and I will retain their
willingness to
-> > help
-> > builders
-> > -> > complete their aircraft.
-> > -> > in France there is little seaplane and I fell in love
with the Elite
-> > for that. I
-> > -> > hope to fly with my Elite Floats and hopefully will
have enough for
-> > that
-> > (if my
-> > -> > wife has not left the by) ... I'm joking
-> > -> >
-> > -> >
-> > -> > Question: I want to buy engine cowls for the Elite, is
that someone
-> > can
-> > tell
-> > -> > me if they agree Rebel
-> > -> >
-> > -> > thank you
-> > -> > Regards
-> > -> > Bernard
-> > -> >
-> > -> >
-> > -> >
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