[rebel-builders] lower door latch Delrin detail

[Ken]

I don't recall any slots in the delrin Ron but I may have changed the
design. I do recall dropping the spring into a closed end squared tube,
then pushing the delrin in and inserting a pin or screw sideways into
the delrin. I have a slot (about 5/8" long) in the square tube that the
pin can slide forward and back in. The end of the "closed" square tube
just had a cotter pin through it to keep the spring from falling out.
Come to think of it I must have changed the design because I welded tabs
onto the square tube for mounting it. Can't think of anything else that
square delrin was used for so you probably have the correct part.
Ken

Ron Shannon wrote:

I have a piece of 1/2" square Delrin rod stock about two feet long,
currently labeled D-10, presumably for the lower door latch "slide bolts".
The manual (Ch. 23, p. 11) says to "get the two pieces of 1/2" x 1/2" Delrin
material (D-18)" -- presumably cut from my D-10 -- and insert door latch
springs into the slots. My Delrin rod stock doesn't have any slots in it and
there doesn't seem to be any other reference to preparing the Delrin
"sliding bolt" pieces, much less cutting slots in them. (There's not even a
reference to "D-10" in Ch. 23.)

1) Am I just looking at the wrong Delrin part?

2) Is there some other place in the manual where prep of the Delrin pieces
is detailed?

3) How long overall should the Delrin sliding bolt pieces be?

4) How long should the slots be and at what position along that length?
Presumably the slots should be shorter than the springs.

I could probably figure out what the dimensions should be eventually, but
thought it would be better (easier, faster) to ask first. :-)

Thanks.

Ron
254R

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Manual .. somewhere in it.. at least the old 1992/3 version has it shown.
You have to slot the delrin for the spring to sit in.. then a rivet gets
inserted thru the aluminum tube and consequently into said slot to compress
the spring when you pull the cord.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] lower door latch Delrin detail

I don't recall any slots in the delrin Ron but I may have changed the
design. I do recall dropping the spring into a closed end squared tube,
then pushing the delrin in and inserting a pin or screw sideways into
the delrin. I have a slot (about 5/8" long) in the square tube that the
pin can slide forward and back in. The end of the "closed" square tube
just had a cotter pin through it to keep the spring from falling out.
Come to think of it I must have changed the design because I welded tabs
onto the square tube for mounting it. Can't think of anything else that
square delrin was used for so you probably have the correct part.
Ken

Ron Shannon wrote:

I have a piece of 1/2" square Delrin rod stock about two feet long,
currently labeled D-10, presumably for the lower door latch "slide
bolts".
The manual (Ch. 23, p. 11) says to "get the two pieces of 1/2" x 1/2"
Delrin
material (D-18)" -- presumably cut from my D-10 -- and insert door latch
springs into the slots. My Delrin rod stock doesn't have any slots in it
and
there doesn't seem to be any other reference to preparing the Delrin
"sliding bolt" pieces, much less cutting slots in them. (There's not even
a
reference to "D-10" in Ch. 23.)

1) Am I just looking at the wrong Delrin part?

2) Is there some other place in the manual where prep of the Delrin
pieces
is detailed?

3) How long overall should the Delrin sliding bolt pieces be?

4) How long should the slots be and at what position along that length?
Presumably the slots should be shorter than the springs.

I could probably figure out what the dimensions should be eventually, but
thought it would be better (easier, faster) to ask first. :-)

Thanks.

Ron
254R

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[Richard Wampach]

I have two Delrin flat pieces that I have not used about 6" x 1" x 1/4"
With slots in them, I have not looked at them in over a year. If some
one wants I will find them and get more specific.

Dick Wampach SR-108 N331RW


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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Ken
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:46 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] lower door latch Delrin detail

I don't recall any slots in the delrin Ron but I may have changed the
design. I do recall dropping the spring into a closed end squared tube,
then pushing the delrin in and inserting a pin or screw sideways into
the delrin. I have a slot (about 5/8" long) in the square tube that the
pin can slide forward and back in. The end of the "closed" square tube
just had a cotter pin through it to keep the spring from falling out.
Come to think of it I must have changed the design because I welded tabs

onto the square tube for mounting it. Can't think of anything else that
square delrin was used for so you probably have the correct part.
Ken

Ron Shannon wrote:

I have a piece of 1/2" square Delrin rod stock about two feet long,
currently labeled D-10, presumably for the lower door latch "slide

bolts".

The manual (Ch. 23, p. 11) says to "get the two pieces of 1/2" x 1/2"

Delrin

material (D-18)" -- presumably cut from my D-10 -- and insert door

latch

springs into the slots. My Delrin rod stock doesn't have any slots in

it and

there doesn't seem to be any other reference to preparing the Delrin
"sliding bolt" pieces, much less cutting slots in them. (There's not

even a

reference to "D-10" in Ch. 23.)

1) Am I just looking at the wrong Delrin part?

2) Is there some other place in the manual where prep of the Delrin

pieces

is detailed?

3) How long overall should the Delrin sliding bolt pieces be?

4) How long should the slots be and at what position along that

length?

Presumably the slots should be shorter than the springs.

I could probably figure out what the dimensions should be eventually,

but

thought it would be better (easier, faster) to ask first. :-)

Thanks.

Ron
254R

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[Ron Shannon]

Thanks to all responders, especially Eric Fogelin, who sent me the door
chapter from his Elite manual, which actually does specify the total length
of the Delrin as 5-5/8". That looks about right for the D-8 and D-9 pieces.
I understand the layout and mechanism from the manuals, and can probably
figure out where to apply a router to make the spring slot now. Knock on
wood, I mean Delrin. I can't be surprised the slot dimensions & location
aren't in the manuals. 'Twas ever thus with the manual.

Incidentally, for any who may be interested -- because I've more or less
copied Eric's nice lower "half-window" design and don't want a latch pull
cable running across the glass, I'm also copying his simple latch. (See
http://n254mr.com/node/1121 where I've posted one of his pictures.) Although
he didn't think reaching back for the knob handle there was a problem, I'm
probably going to lengthen the latch tubes (and Delrin) an inch or two to
bring the knob a little further forward. Of course, because I already cut
the square tubes to the std. length per the manual, and don't have enough
left to make a longer set, I'm going to have to find some more square tubing
first. :-/

Ron




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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Ron !

Some of that Delrin will be used for the top window latches
a bit later, if they aren't already done ....

Generally, the door latches are a bit higher than Eric's ...

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On Friday 25 September 2009 22:44, Ron Shannon wrote:

I have a piece of 1/2" square Delrin rod stock about two feet long,
currently labeled D-10, presumably for the lower door latch "slide bolts".
The manual (Ch. 23, p. 11) says to "get the two pieces of 1/2" x 1/2"
Delrin material (D-18)" -- presumably cut from my D-10 -- and insert door
latch springs into the slots. My Delrin rod stock doesn't have any slots
in it and there doesn't seem to be any other reference to preparing the
Delrin "sliding bolt" pieces, much less cutting slots in them. (There's
not even a reference to "D-10" in Ch. 23.)

1) Am I just looking at the wrong Delrin part?

2) Is there some other place in the manual where prep of the Delrin pieces
is detailed?

3) How long overall should the Delrin sliding bolt pieces be?

4) How long should the slots be and at what position along that length?
Presumably the slots should be shorter than the springs.

I could probably figure out what the dimensions should be eventually, but
thought it would be better (easier, faster) to ask first. :-)

Thanks.

Ron
254R

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[Ron Shannon]

Thanks for that reminder, Bob.

FWIW, as you may recall, Eric's are on an Elite, where I believe there's
more vertical space at the rear of the door. In any case, mine will be
higher, probably just under the frame triangle gusset. My manual calls for
the latch hole to be 7-1/2" inches up the door jamb from the bottom rear
door corner, which as I see it is impossible -- above the entire lower door.

Sounds like Eric might fly over here from Whidbey Island (30 miles) for a
visit and look at my pile of rivets tomorrow afternoon, WX permitting, which
will be great.

Ron


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Bob Patterson <bobp@prosumers.ca> wrote:

Hi Ron !

Some of that Delrin will be used for the top window latches
a bit later, if they aren't already done ....

Generally, the door latches are a bit higher than Eric's ...

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[Eric Fogelin]

My Elite door latches are standard as is the latch height. I just didn't put
a cable across the door. The delrin has a knob on the end to open the door.
Rather than doubling up a square tube under the latch, I placed the support
vertically on the fwd end of the delrin support square tube for better
lightweight strength.

I put in forward lower windows and didn't want to see or need the cable
running across. Love the lower windows.

Eric
Elite Amphib N645E

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Patterson
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:02 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] lower door latch Delrin detail


Hi Ron !

Some of that Delrin will be used for the top window latches
a bit later, if they aren't already done ....

Generally, the door latches are a bit higher than Eric's ...

--
......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

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-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 25 September 2009 22:44, Ron Shannon wrote:

I have a piece of 1/2" square Delrin rod stock about two feet long,
currently labeled D-10, presumably for the lower door latch "slide bolts".
The manual (Ch. 23, p. 11) says to "get the two pieces of 1/2" x 1/2"
Delrin material (D-18)" -- presumably cut from my D-10 -- and insert door
latch springs into the slots. My Delrin rod stock doesn't have any slots
in it and there doesn't seem to be any other reference to preparing the
Delrin "sliding bolt" pieces, much less cutting slots in them. (There's
not even a reference to "D-10" in Ch. 23.)

1) Am I just looking at the wrong Delrin part?

2) Is there some other place in the manual where prep of the Delrin pieces
is detailed?

3) How long overall should the Delrin sliding bolt pieces be?

4) How long should the slots be and at what position along that length?
Presumably the slots should be shorter than the springs.

I could probably figure out what the dimensions should be eventually, but
thought it would be better (easier, faster) to ask first. :-)

Thanks.

Ron
254R

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[wayira]

Ron, go to Roger Hoffman's web site page 4 has pictures of his door latch.


On 9/25/2009 2:44 PM, rebel-builders@dcsol.com wrote to wayira:

-> I have a piece of 1/2" square Delrin rod stock about two feet long,
-> currently labeled D-10, presumably for the lower door latch "slide bolts".
-> The manual (Ch. 23, p. 11) says to "get the two pieces of 1/2" x 1/2" Delrin
-> material (D-18)" -- presumably cut from my D-10 -- and insert door latch
-> springs into the slots. My Delrin rod stock doesn't have any slots in it and
-> there doesn't seem to be any other reference to preparing the Delrin
-> "sliding bolt" pieces, much less cutting slots in them. (There's not even a
-> reference to "D-10" in Ch. 23.)
->
-> 1) Am I just looking at the wrong Delrin part?
->
-> 2) Is there some other place in the manual where prep of the Delrin pieces
-> is detailed?
->
-> 3) How long overall should the Delrin sliding bolt pieces be?
->
-> 4) How long should the slots be and at what position along that length?
-> Presumably the slots should be shorter than the springs.
->
-> I could probably figure out what the dimensions should be eventually, but
-> thought it would be better (easier, faster) to ask first. :-)
->
-> Thanks.
->
-> Ron
-> 254R
->
->
->
->
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[Ron Shannon]

Aye. I often go back to Roger's site (htp://tincantimes.dcsol.com) for
ideas, and to be inspired by his workmanship.

Ron


On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:30 AM, <wayira@dcsol.com> wrote:

Ron, go to Roger Hoffman's web site page 4 has pictures of his door latch.

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