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[Brent Blue]

Mike:

I only feel compelled to comment about one thing
in Darryl post and that is that Doug and Brian
(the former employee I assume he referred to) are
hardly looking for work. Not only does Doug have
a regular job with a helicopter company, I could
get them scheduled to help me until January trying in September.

What's more, the only things that have been
suggested by Doug and Brian have been safety
issues which have not been acknowledged nor
admitted till forced by MAM and Darryl. The tail
and tail stinger problem is an exact
example. Darryl told me in May that the stinger
and tail did not have any problems and that he
had not be told of any in the field. That was
in spite of my having spoke to other builders who
told me they had spoken to Darryl about the
problem. Now, he has admitted the problem and
nothing is on the site as far as builder
notification/service bulletin or even the
availability of a tail upgrade. (The new stinger
is not in production and rumor has it there is no
plan on making them. Probably waiting for people to call and complain.)

Brent


At 06:28 PM 11/10/2005, you wrote:
[quote]Here's the letter he's referring to Al... Mike

http://brentblue.com/open_letter_to_darryl.htm

On 11/10/2005 2:41 PM, paxhia2@comcast.net wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello St

[Mike Davis]

I was just posting the link so Al would know what was being referenced.
I've certainly never heard anything to lead me to believe that Brian is not
very knowledgeable, in fact over the years I've heard many good things. But
what ever differences Brian and Darryl had I'm happy to leave that between
them. I personally would not dismiss anything that Brian felt was worth
looking into, but then, I'm happy to consider changes any builder may make
to the aircraft... that's what has made them better over the years. While
Darryl did the lions share when doing the initial design, I would hazard to
guess that more improvements have come about outside the factory than inside
once the design was released.

I'd always hoped the factory would at least create a presence on this list
if not actively participate, but I can understand why that has never
happened when the list is entirely outside of their control. It's nice
though from time to time when something is being bantered around that they
take the time to share the "official position" with us. It may not always
be what we want to hear, but at least it's clear.

I started this list in 1997 knowing full well that I probably wouldn't buy a
kit until 2002, because I wanted to gather as much knowledge about this
project as I could before I started it. I knew there had to be a lot more
to know about it than what came in the box. Since the very beginning
members of the list have been sharing information about areas on the
airplane that were showing to be weaker than desired, and how they went
about fixing them. Many of these have been addressed by the factory, many
have not... but that doesn't stop any of us from addressing them ourselves.
I can certainly understand the frustration of someone who finds the building
process to be more involved than they were led to believe, but as long as I
know what needs to be done before I go fly, I'm OK with a few surprises
along the way. And I've always liked the statement that difficulty is a
relative term, what I find difficult, you may find easy. Some builders come
up with solutions that must make Darryl ask himself, why didn't I think of
that? Clearly, building an experimental aircraft is not something everyone
could, or should do.

I do find it disappointing that certain issues do not garner the attention
from the factory that I think they should... like the Moose tailwheel
issue... there's no doubt in my mind that I will fly from unimproved
surfaces in Alaska! With that in mind, I'm definitely concerned about this
area on my airplane. In the certified aircraft world it's not uncommon for
an AD to come up that costs the aircraft owner a lot of money to comply
with. As I see it, in our case, you at least have the choice of making the
changes or not... but having the full support of the factory in addressing
these issues and providing the parts, whether free of charge, and at some
cost to the builder, either way is certainly desirable. Personally if I had
the option to purchase parts that would greatly improve an area of the
aircraft that I felt important, I would be happy to do so. I'm not
suggesting that the builder should have to pay for everything that gets
changed or modified on the kit... but even when the factory truly believes
that the design is adequate as is, it would be nice when an issue like the
tail wheel, or the main landing gear attachment for that matter comes up, if
the factory would be aggressive in addressing the builders concerns, and
offer an alternative to the standard.

Man... my 2 cents gets pretty long winded after 11 hours at work! I think
I'll quit right here.

Mike
195SR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Blue" <brentblue@wyoming.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: FW:


[quote]Mike:

I only feel compelled to comment about one thing
in Darryl post and that is that Doug and Brian
(the former employee I assume he referred to) are
hardly looking for work. Not only does Doug have
a regular job with a helicopter company, I could
get them scheduled to help me until January trying in September.

What's more, the only things that have been
suggested by Doug and Brian have been safety
issues which have not been acknowledged nor
admitted till forced by MAM and Darryl. The tail
and tail stinger problem is an exact
example. Darryl told me in May that the stinger
and tail did not have any problems and that he
had not be told of any in the field. That was
in spite of my having spoke to other builders who
told me they had spoken to Darryl about the
problem. Now, he has admitted the problem and
nothing is on the site as far as builder
notification/service bulletin or even the
availability of a tail upgrade. (The new stinger
is not in production and rumor has it there is no
plan on making them. Probably waiting for people to call and complain.)

Brent


At 06:28 PM 11/10/2005, you wrote:
[quote]Here's the letter he's referring to Al... Mike

http://brentblue.com/open_letter_to_darryl.htm

On 11/10/2005 2:41 PM, paxhia2@comcast.net wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello St

[bransom]

Mike,
I'll add my $.02 esp to the part of your post included below. It was obvious
seeing Brent's open letter a couple weeks ago that most of us would wonder
about all of what's going on. It seems pretty obvious that Brent hasn't been
the only one pissed at MAM wrt some Moose issues. IMO it's good to hear
about these things on a list such as this ...and hopefully the causes are
infrequent enf that it stays a minor part of the more fun buidling and flying
chatter. Likewise, I appreciate hearing the other side of the story, from
Darryl in this case. Without that, one just sits and wonders if most of the
negative is simply true and only a few are brave enf to cut themselves off
from the factory. I'd much rather have a kit plane where the manufacturer is
willing to show up and respond to the bad as well as the good.
-Ben

I'd always hoped the factory would at least create a presence on this list
if not actively participate, but I can understand why that has never
happened when the list is entirely outside of their control. It's nice
though from time to time when something is being bantered around that they
take the time to share the "official position" with us. It may not always
be what we want to hear, but at least it's clear.

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[m p]

Thank you Mike. We could not have said it better than you have!

Yes, we all have had our difficulties and frustrations with Murphy's - some resolved to our satisfaction and most not....we have been building the SR/Moose for a long time (over 9 years now) and have had our share of scuffles.

We only wish that Darryl Murphy's lack of communication would improve. Honesty and integrity are what are needed, something that Brian always brought to builders. No matter what issue we presented to Brian, he always responded with accuracy, promptness and conscientiousness.

And, yes, Murphy's should offer the latest parts for the tail stingers to all builders, if not for free, at least at cost. This is a serious issue that needs to be addressed by Darryl. Communication!! Let us know what is happening, what the plans are...that is all that is asked. Since the inception of this list, through Mike's hard work, we have all come to share information to everyone's benefit and Darryl Murphy should not exempt himself from the sharing of critical knowledge.

We don't want to spend ten years and 3000++ hours building an airplane only to find out that deficiencies were not communicated properly early on, and later on having to do major retrofits or repairs that could have been done in a much easier and more efficient way while building. Our main reason for taking so long to build was our conviction that considerable changes were coming - the Moose upgrades were easier to incorporate on our airplane that still had open parts (read wings!).

Sincerely,

Peter & Monica
SR003MOOSE










Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:
I was just posting the link so Al would know what was being referenced.
I've certainly never heard anything to lead me to believe that Brian is not
very knowledgeable, in fact over the years I've heard many good things. But
what ever differences Brian and Darryl had I'm happy to leave that between
them. I personally would not dismiss anything that Brian felt was worth
looking into, but then, I'm happy to consider changes any builder may make
to the aircraft... that's what has made them better over the years. While
Darryl did the lions share when doing the initial design, I would hazard to
guess that more improvements have come about outside the factory than inside
once the design was released.

I'd always hoped the factory would at least create a presence on this list
if not actively participate, but I can understand why that has never
happened when the list is entirely outside of their control. It's nice
though from time to time when something is being bantered around that they
take the time to share the "official position" with us. It may not always
be what we want to hear, but at least it's clear.

I started this list in 1997 knowing full well that I probably wouldn't buy a
kit until 2002, because I wanted to gather as much knowledge about this
project as I could before I started it. I knew there had to be a lot more
to know about it than what came in the box. Since the very beginning
members of the list have been sharing information about areas on the
airplane that were showing to be weaker than desired, and how they went
about fixing them. Many of these have been addressed by the factory, many
have not... but that doesn't stop any of us from addressing them ourselves.
I can certainly understand the frustration of someone who finds the building
process to be more involved than they were led to believe, but as long as I
know what needs to be done before I go fly, I'm OK with a few surprises
along the way. And I've always liked the statement that difficulty is a
relative term, what I find difficult, you may find easy. Some builders come
up with solutions that must make Darryl ask himself, why didn't I think of
that? Clearly, building an experimental aircraft is not something everyone
could, or should do.

I do find it disappointing that certain issues do not garner the attention
from the factory that I think they should... like the Moose tailwheel
issue... there's no doubt in my mind that I will fly from unimproved
surfaces in Alaska! With that in mind, I'm definitely concerned about this
area on my airplane. In the certified aircraft world it's not uncommon for
an AD to come up that costs the aircraft owner a lot of money to comply
with. As I see it, in our case, you at least have the choice of making the
changes or not... but having the full support of the factory in addressing
these issues and providing the parts, whether free of charge, and at some
cost to the builder, either way is certainly desirable. Personally if I had
the option to purchase parts that would greatly improve an area of the
aircraft that I felt important, I would be happy to do so. I'm not
suggesting that the builder should have to pay for everything that gets
changed or modified on the kit... but even when the factory truly believes
that the design is adequate as is, it would be nice when an issue like the
tail wheel, or the main landing gear attachment for that matter comes up, if
the factory would be aggressive in addressing the builders concerns, and
offer an alternative to the standard.

Man... my 2 cents gets pretty long winded after 11 hours at work! I think
I'll quit right here.

Mike
195SR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Blue"

To:
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: FW:


[quote]Mike:

I only feel compelled to comment about one thing
in Darryl post and that is that Doug and Brian
(the former employee I assume he referred to) are
hardly looking for work. Not only does Doug have
a regular job with a helicopter company, I could
get them scheduled to help me until January trying in September.

What's more, the only things that have been
suggested by Doug and Brian have been safety
issues which have not been acknowledged nor
admitted till forced by MAM and Darryl. The tail
and tail stinger problem is an exact
example. Darryl told me in May that the stinger
and tail did not have any problems and that he
had not be told of any in the field. That was
in spite of my having spoke to other builders who
told me they had spoken to Darryl about the
problem. Now, he has admitted the problem and
nothing is on the site as far as builder
notification/service bulletin or even the
availability of a tail upgrade. (The new stinger
is not in production and rumor has it there is no
plan on making them. Probably waiting for people to call and complain.)

Brent


At 06:28 PM 11/10/2005, you wrote:
[quote]Here's the letter he's referring to Al... Mike

http://brentblue.com/open_letter_to_darryl.htm

On 11/10/2005 2:41 PM, paxhia2@comcast.net wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello St

[rickhm]

I agree with Mike, Peter & Monica.

I have Moose SR 70 and started in Oct 1998. The airframe is largely built. I'm working instruments, wiring, engine.... Largely I have enjoyed the experience, but I'm not flying (my issue, nothing to do with MAM). I, like many, realize that the kit process isn't a perfect solution or process. When I purchased my kit there were 1-2 flying. I expected some issues. This is the way it goes with product development in any industry. Software industry data suggests that 60% of the effort is complete when the software ships for the first time and the remaining 40% comes in revisions, updates, etc. I'll avoid any Microsoft shots here!!! Other product arena's see a similar spirit of evolution.

What I truely wish is that MAM would adopt a different communication model. I wish they would characterize issues in 3 ways via a list on their web sight: 1) reported problem under evaluation, 2) confirmed or unconfirmed problem 3) resolved problem via a service bulletin. If we all saw something like this list, we might feel more of a sense of responsiveness. I was shocked in a positive sense to see the forwarded email from Robin. I read this email-list regularly and was not aware of the report on MAM's site. I don't know if it was just posted or has been there since 2002. It may have been there and I missed it, or it may have recently been placed there. I do recall the issue coming up years back and wondered if they did anything about it!

Regardless, more communication would both help us and help the view we all have of MAM. I chose the MAM product family for the reasons that they claim in their marketing literature. I like the SUV (MAM) form of an aircraft versus the BMW (Lancair!). They both have thier place, but my heart is with the SUV! I just wish I had more faith and forthcoming communication from MAM, especially when the information is known to them.

Rick Muller
SR70

-------------- Original message --------------

[quote]Thank you Mike. We could not have said it better than you have!

Yes, we all have had our difficulties and frustrations with Murphy's - some
resolved to our satisfaction and most not....we have been building the SR/Moose
for a long time (over 9 years now) and have had our share of scuffles.

We only wish that Darryl Murphy's lack of communication would improve. Honesty
and integrity are what are needed, something that Brian always brought to
builders. No matter what issue we presented to Brian, he always responded with
accuracy, promptness and conscientiousness.

And, yes, Murphy's should offer the latest parts for the tail stingers to all
builders, if not for free, at least at cost. This is a serious issue that needs
to be addressed by Darryl. Communication!! Let us know what is happening, what
the plans are...that is all that is asked. Since the inception of this list,
through Mike's hard work, we have all come to share information to everyone's
benefit and Darryl Murphy should not exempt himself from the sharing of critical
knowledge.

We don't want to spend ten years and 3000++ hours building an airplane only to
find out that deficiencies were not communicated properly early on, and later on
having to do major retrofits or repairs that could have been done in a much
easier and more efficient way while building. Our main reason for taking so
long to build was our conviction that considerable changes were coming - the
Moose upgrades were easier to incorporate on our airplane that still had open
parts (read wings!).

Sincerely,

Peter & Monica
SR003MOOSE










Mike Davis wrote:
I was just posting the link so Al would know what was being referenced.
I've certainly never heard anything to lead me to believe that Brian is not
very knowledgeable, in fact over the years I've heard many good things. But
what ever differences Brian and Darryl had I'm happy to leave that between
them. I personally would not dismiss anything that Brian felt was worth
looking into, but then, I'm happy to consider changes any builder may make
to the aircraft... that's what has made them better over the years. While
Darryl did the lions share when doing the initial design, I would hazard to
guess that more improvements have come about outside the factory than inside
once the design was released.

I'd always hoped the factory would at least create a presence on this list
if not actively participate, but I can understand why that has never
happened when the list is entirely outside of their control. It's nice
though from time to time when something is being bantered around that they
take the time to share the "official position" with us. It may not always
be what we want to hear, but at least it's clear.

I started this list in 1997 knowing full well that I probably wouldn't buy a
kit until 2002, because I wanted to gather as much knowledge about this
project as I could before I started it. I knew there had to be a lot more
to know about it than what came in the box. Since the very beginning
members of the list have been sharing information about areas on the
airplane that were showing to be weaker than desired, and how they went
about fixing them. Many of these have been addressed by the factory, many
have not... but that doesn't stop any of us from addressing them ourselves.
I can certainly understand the frustration of someone who finds the building
process to be more involved than they were led to believe, but as long as I
know what needs to be done before I go fly, I'm OK with a few surprises
along the way. And I've always liked the statement that difficulty is a
relative term, what I find difficult, you may find easy. Some builders come
up with solutions that must make Darryl ask himself, why didn't I think of
that? Clearly, building an experimental aircraft is not something everyone
could, or should do.

I do find it disappointing that certain issues do not garner the attention
from the factory that I think they should... like the Moose tailwheel
issue... there's no doubt in my mind that I will fly from unimproved
surfaces in Alaska! With that in mind, I'm definitely concerned about this
area on my airplane. In the certified aircraft world it's not uncommon for
an AD to come up that costs the aircraft owner a lot of money to comply
with. As I see it, in our case, you at least have the choice of making the
changes or not... but having the full support of the factory in addressing
these issues and providing the parts, whether free of charge, and at some
cost to the builder, either way is certainly desirable. Personally if I had
the option to purchase parts that would greatly improve an area of the
aircraft that I felt important, I would be happy to do so. I'm not
suggesting that the builder should have to pay for everything that gets
changed or modified on the kit... but even when the factory truly believes
that the design is adequate as is, it would be nice when an issue like the
tail wheel, or the main landing gear attachment for that matter comes up, if
the factory would be aggressive in addressing the builders concerns, and
offer an alternative to the standard.

Man... my 2 cents gets pretty long winded after 11 hours at work! I think
I'll quit right here.

Mike
195SR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Blue"

To:
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: FW:


[quote]Mike:

I only feel compelled to comment about one thing
in Darryl post and that is that Doug and Brian
(the former employee I assume he referred to) are
hardly looking for work. Not only does Doug have
a regular job with a helicopter company, I could
get them scheduled to help me until January trying in September.

What's more, the only things that have been
suggested by Doug and Brian have been safety
issues which have not been acknowledged nor
admitted till forced by MAM and Darryl. The tail
and tail stinger problem is an exact
example. Darryl told me in May that the stinger
and tail did not have any problems and that he
had not be told of any in the field. That was
in spite of my having spoke to other builders who
told me they had spoken to Darryl about the
problem. Now, he has admitted the problem and
nothing is on the site as far as builder
notification/service bulletin or even the
availability of a tail upgrade. (The new stinger
is not in production and rumor has it there is no
plan on making them. Probably waiting for people to call and complain.)

Brent


At 06:28 PM 11/10/2005, you wrote:
[quote]Here's the letter he's referring to Al... Mike

http://brentblue.com/open_letter_to_darryl.htm

On 11/10/2005 2:41 PM, paxhia2@comcast.net wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello St

[Guest]

[Guest]

[Guest]

[mbetti]

Hi all,
I guess I don't quite get the instructions. To adjust the flap cable properly, where should the travel end up when looking at the mixer, as far as distance left in the slot above and below the moving arm? That is when moving the flap lever full or no flaps.
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E



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[Rick Harper]

Anyone need an M14 ???

Rick
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[Bruce]

Do you have one and what condition is it?

Bruce


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[Mike Davis]

Notice the link to barnstormers at the bottom of his message.

Mike

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Do you have one and what condition is it?

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Anyone need an M14 ???

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